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For The Global Business Traveler - Never Worried About This One?

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I know a lot of you travel globally on business. I did.
You get on the airplane, have a drink, read, relax, sleep, talk, and usually you don't think twice about arriving safely at your destination.

I've had a few flights where the crew had to shutdown and engine, bad turbulence, scary landings, but never imagined this one???

After the emergency landing I guess the pilots had to much time on their hands and "spilled the beans."
Mrs Buffett's best friend is a retired United first /business class flight attendant and she tells us about some of the stuff that went wrong and what the airline actually told the public.

In the 90's United had a feature where business or first class passengers could select channel # 1 and listen to Air Traffic Control during the entire flight. I liked it a lot except for one day when I heard a United pilot radio the ATControllers to let them know they had to shutdown one of two engines midway into the flight and I realized it was the flight # that I was on?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/vi...of-all-life-aboard/vi-BBSFT1n?ocid=spartandhp

Football news is slow!
 
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Right now.....I am much more worried about flying into Atlanta on Sunday, and flying back out on Thursday. With the Shutdown. And ........the Super Bowl traffic being amped up for Atlanta.

We see today flights cancelled and delayed along the east coast because of traffic control shortages. This is not going to end well.
 
Right now.....I am much more worried about flying into Atlanta on Sunday, and flying back out on Thursday. With the Shutdown. And ........the Super Bowl traffic being amped up for Atlanta.

We see today flights cancelled and delayed along the east coast because of traffic control shortages. This is not going to end well.

This should make you feel better.
They'll have some ground stops here and there throughout the day to control incoming and outgoing flights.
If you listen to ATC on the internet all major airports are moving along as usual.

Despite the government shutdown, millions of travelers still pass through the country's airports every day.

In recent days, some of the most critical players in commercial air travel have expressed concern over understaffing, delayed payments and stress brought on by government furloughs.

Their worries invite an uneasy question: Is air travel as safe as usual during the shutdown?

Yes, and here's why

Safety is in everyone's interest

Here's the bottom line: No one wants air travel to be unsafe. Not travelers, not government employees, not agencies, not air carriers, no one. To that end, while a government shutdown affects a lot of aspects of air transportation, safety is prioritized above all.

"Yes, I'd still fly," said Mary Schiavo, CNN Transportation Analyst and former Inspector General of the United States Department of Transportation.

"This has happened before, time and time again, and agencies know who has to be there to guarantee safety and security and who doesn't," she added. "If you are needed to perform an important safety function, you will work and you accepted that responsibility when you took the job."

While fatigue, stress and going without a paycheck are certainly serious issues, Schiavo says they shouldn't contribute to a purposeful dip in efficacy.

"I would never assume without evidence that federal employees are doing everything to jeopardize the safety and security of the public -- for instance, being negligent or sloppy on the job," she said. "Most government workers are dedicated public servants who love their country."

A TSA spokesman said Wednesday that security at checkpoints across the country is just as effective as ever and average wait times are within TSA standards.

"Security standards will NOT and have NOT been compromised," said Michael Bilello, TSA assistant administrator for public affairs, on Twitter.

Airlines are keeping up with their safety checks

Former TSA Board member and independent safety consultant John Goglia points out that some procedures usually carried out by the FAA, such as aircraft inspections, are mirrored by airlines' internal procedures.

And while the FAA may be understaffed, there's no reason to suspect airlines would slack on any safety or maintenance measures, he says.

"Carriers would be absolutely crazy to be irresponsible now," Goglia told CNN. "When the government gets back, I'm sure there are going to be a number of audits done. And maintenance inspectors will be back, and they will be looking over what [other inspectors] did in their absence."

"I am working with one of those carriers right now," he said. "And I can tell you there is absolutely no change in their operations."

Measures are in place to keep things running securely

As CNN first reported, concerns have been raised in the past week about the number of call-outs among TSA employees, who are considered "accepted" personnel -- they have to report to work but will not be paid until the government reopens. The Air Traffic Controllers Union, Aviation Safety Inspectors Union and various other groups and air travel experts have issued statements condemning the various consequences of the shutdown.

For now, experts say these consequences -- stress, no pay and fewer resources -- do not effect the end goal of safety.

"Departments will operate in a safe and secure manner, even if it means cutting back," Schiavo said. For instance, even if TSA staffing is hobbled by the shutdown, airports can limit the number of open TSA lanes to make sure screenings aren't affected, she said.

And instead of dealing with more planes than they could handle at one time, air traffic controllers can regulate the flow of aircraft coming or going from an airport.

"They may increase the separation between planes, they may restrict the number of flights, but they will make it work," Schiavo said.
 
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This should make you feel better.
They'll have some ground stops here and there throughout the day to control incoming and outgoing flights.
If you listen to ATC on the internet all major airports are moving along as usual.

Despite the government shutdown, millions of travelers still pass through the country's airports every day.

In recent days, some of the most critical players in commercial air travel have expressed concern over understaffing, delayed payments and stress brought on by government furloughs.

Their worries invite an uneasy question: Is air travel as safe as usual during the shutdown?

Yes, and here's why

Safety is in everyone's interest

Here's the bottom line: No one wants air travel to be unsafe. Not travelers, not government employees, not agencies, not air carriers, no one. To that end, while a government shutdown affects a lot of aspects of air transportation, safety is prioritized above all.

"Yes, I'd still fly," said Mary Schiavo, CNN Transportation Analyst and former Inspector General of the United States Department of Transportation.

"This has happened before, time and time again, and agencies know who has to be there to guarantee safety and security and who doesn't," she added. "If you are needed to perform an important safety function, you will work and you accepted that responsibility when you took the job."

While fatigue, stress and going without a paycheck are certainly serious issues, Schiavo says they shouldn't contribute to a purposeful dip in efficacy.

"I would never assume without evidence that federal employees are doing everything to jeopardize the safety and security of the public -- for instance, being negligent or sloppy on the job," she said. "Most government workers are dedicated public servants who love their country."

A TSA spokesman said Wednesday that security at checkpoints across the country is just as effective as ever and average wait times are within TSA standards.

"Security standards will NOT and have NOT been compromised," said Michael Bilello, TSA assistant administrator for public affairs, on Twitter.

Airlines are keeping up with their safety checks

Former TSA Board member and independent safety consultant John Goglia points out that some procedures usually carried out by the FAA, such as aircraft inspections, are mirrored by airlines' internal procedures.

And while the FAA may be understaffed, there's no reason to suspect airlines would slack on any safety or maintenance measures, he says.

"Carriers would be absolutely crazy to be irresponsible now," Goglia told CNN. "When the government gets back, I'm sure there are going to be a number of audits done. And maintenance inspectors will be back, and they will be looking over what [other inspectors] did in their absence."

"I am working with one of those carriers right now," he said. "And I can tell you there is absolutely no change in their operations."

Measures are in place to keep things running securely

As CNN first reported, concerns have been raised in the past week about the number of call-outs among TSA employees, who are considered "accepted" personnel -- they have to report to work but will not be paid until the government reopens. The Air Traffic Controllers Union, Aviation Safety Inspectors Union and various other groups and air travel experts have issued statements condemning the various consequences of the shutdown.

For now, experts say these consequences -- stress, no pay and fewer resources -- do not effect the end goal of safety.

"Departments will operate in a safe and secure manner, even if it means cutting back," Schiavo said. For instance, even if TSA staffing is hobbled by the shutdown, airports can limit the number of open TSA lanes to make sure screenings aren't affected, she said.

And instead of dealing with more planes than they could handle at one time, air traffic controllers can regulate the flow of aircraft coming or going from an airport.

"They may increase the separation between planes, they may restrict the number of flights, but they will make it work," Schiavo said.
Yeah I just flew to Tampa a week or so ago without issues. But it is 2 weeks and another paycheck. And this is Atlanta. And this is starting the Super Bowl traffic. What better opportunity to make the general public feel their discomfort. You can smoke the Fox News "everything's alright" pipe all you want, but that article, which I already read from 2 weeks ago, is dated.
 
Im flying to LA monday morning for biznesss. I wanna pick up a Donald Rams tshirt while im out there.
 
This should make you feel better.
They'll have some ground stops here and there throughout the day to control incoming and outgoing flights.
If you listen to ATC on the internet all major airports are moving along as usual.

Despite the government shutdown, millions of travelers still pass through the country's airports every day.

In recent days, some of the most critical players in commercial air travel have expressed concern over understaffing, delayed payments and stress brought on by government furloughs.

Their worries invite an uneasy question: Is air travel as safe as usual during the shutdown?

Yes, and here's why

Safety is in everyone's interest

Here's the bottom line: No one wants air travel to be unsafe. Not travelers, not government employees, not agencies, not air carriers, no one. To that end, while a government shutdown affects a lot of aspects of air transportation, safety is prioritized above all.

"Yes, I'd still fly," said Mary Schiavo, CNN Transportation Analyst and former Inspector General of the United States Department of Transportation.

"This has happened before, time and time again, and agencies know who has to be there to guarantee safety and security and who doesn't," she added. "If you are needed to perform an important safety function, you will work and you accepted that responsibility when you took the job."

While fatigue, stress and going without a paycheck are certainly serious issues, Schiavo says they shouldn't contribute to a purposeful dip in efficacy.

"I would never assume without evidence that federal employees are doing everything to jeopardize the safety and security of the public -- for instance, being negligent or sloppy on the job," she said. "Most government workers are dedicated public servants who love their country."

A TSA spokesman said Wednesday that security at checkpoints across the country is just as effective as ever and average wait times are within TSA standards.

"Security standards will NOT and have NOT been compromised," said Michael Bilello, TSA assistant administrator for public affairs, on Twitter.

Airlines are keeping up with their safety checks

Former TSA Board member and independent safety consultant John Goglia points out that some procedures usually carried out by the FAA, such as aircraft inspections, are mirrored by airlines' internal procedures.

And while the FAA may be understaffed, there's no reason to suspect airlines would slack on any safety or maintenance measures, he says.

"Carriers would be absolutely crazy to be irresponsible now," Goglia told CNN. "When the government gets back, I'm sure there are going to be a number of audits done. And maintenance inspectors will be back, and they will be looking over what [other inspectors] did in their absence."

"I am working with one of those carriers right now," he said. "And I can tell you there is absolutely no change in their operations."

Measures are in place to keep things running securely

As CNN first reported, concerns have been raised in the past week about the number of call-outs among TSA employees, who are considered "accepted" personnel -- they have to report to work but will not be paid until the government reopens. The Air Traffic Controllers Union, Aviation Safety Inspectors Union and various other groups and air travel experts have issued statements condemning the various consequences of the shutdown.

For now, experts say these consequences -- stress, no pay and fewer resources -- do not effect the end goal of safety.

"Departments will operate in a safe and secure manner, even if it means cutting back," Schiavo said. For instance, even if TSA staffing is hobbled by the shutdown, airports can limit the number of open TSA lanes to make sure screenings aren't affected, she said.

And instead of dealing with more planes than they could handle at one time, air traffic controllers can regulate the flow of aircraft coming or going from an airport.

"They may increase the separation between planes, they may restrict the number of flights, but they will make it work," Schiavo said.
Keep whistling thru that graveyard. Flying will remain absolutely safe, until it isn't. My main concern is with the air traffic controllers. They have about as stressful a job as you can have to start with. Now they have been ordered to work without pay. It is being reported that we have controllers taking second jobs to make ends meet, cutting down on available rest time between their 10 hour shifts. It's their job to keep planes from colliding into one another. Added stress and possible divided attention on the job does not sound like a good idea to me. This is a becoming a real problem. It's not fake news.
 
Keep whistling thru that graveyard. Flying will remain absolutely safe, until it isn't. My main concern is with the air traffic controllers. They have about as stressful a job as you can have to start with. Now they have been ordered to work without pay. It is being reported that we have controllers taking second jobs to make ends meet, cutting down on available rest time between their 10 hour shifts. It's their job to keep planes from colliding into one another. Added stress and possible divided attention on the job does not sound like a good idea to me. This is a becoming a real problem. It's not fake news.

They apparently staged a "sick out" today. I'm guessing that contributed to the changes in negotiations.
 
Call me cynical, but the big donors and power folks who could have been seriously affected over the next few weeks traveling to the Super Bowl could have likely caused this to happen.
 
They apparently staged a "sick out" today. I'm guessing that contributed to the changes in negotiations.
No, President Trump finally realized that he was not going to get his way and that even Republicans were starting to turn against him.
 
I know a lot of you travel globally on business. I did.
You get on the airplane, have a drink, read, relax, sleep, talk, and usually you don't think twice about arriving safely at your destination.

I've had a few flights where the crew had to shutdown and engine, bad turbulence, scary landings, but never imagined this one???

After the emergency landing I guess the pilots had to much time on their hands and "spilled the beans."
Mrs Buffett's best friend is a retired United first /business class flight attendant and she tells us about some of the stuff that went wrong and what the airline actually told the public.

In the 90's United had a feature where business or first class passengers could select channel # 1 and listen to Air Traffic Control during the entire flight. I liked it a lot except for one day when I heard a United pilot radio the ATControllers to let them know they had to shutdown one of two engines midway into the flight and I realized it was the flight # that I was on?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/vi...of-all-life-aboard/vi-BBSFT1n?ocid=spartandhp

Football news is slow!

Attorney: "Did you properly Torque the bolts?"
United Mechanic: " Don't call me Torx !!"
Attorney: " No further questions ."
 
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