Generally speaking, I support officials so much more ...

[DT_PITT]

... than anyone else on this message board.

But I just watched a completely indefensible technical against Ed Cooley from Providence.

During a timeout, Ed smacked down a chair during a timeout in the huddle to fire up his team. Terry Oglesby, a highly senior official in both the Big 10 and Big 12 gave him T for this.

This was a complete joke of a T call by Oglesby. Simply a terrible, terrible call.

The worst part is that is probably won't be evaluated as a bad call because it might be by some letter of the law.

However, this was the worst officiating call I've seen in all the games on these past 2 days.

 

[TiredRam97]

I felt bad for Providence, they got jobbed by the officials while Archie gets three gift wrapped "home" tournament game. It pays to be an 11 seed I guess.

 

[ameoba defense]

Originally posted by TiredRam97:
I felt bad for Providence, they got jobbed by the officials while Archie gets three gift wrapped "home" tournament game. It pays to be an 11 seed I guess.

Dayton never should have been an 11 seed. I guess the home games was an attempt to even the score. They won't admit it, but I bet they figured it would be good to have a regional team in Columbus. To make it more palatable, they took Dayton off of the 9 line, where they should have been, and dropped them down to 11.

 

[mvk112]

They didn't take Dayton off the 9 line to move them to the play in game. They were the last team in, & deservedly so. They would've lost to all three of the other play in teams on a neutral floor. But, for some reason they get a home game then a virtual home game. They could've easily switched the opponents for Xavier & Providence, putting Xavier in Columbus instead of Dayton there. All it would've taken was flipping the days of the two play in games.

 

[pelfrey]

Speaking of Dayton...now there's a team that plays great team defense. I watched them smother a very good Rhode Island team in the A-10 semis...everything is contested...teams have to work very hard to get a good shot.

 

[thebadby2]

I've never been a fan of scapegoating officials when things don't go your team's way. Worst of all are the fans who think that officials have some kind of intrinsic bias against their team or in favor of their team's opponent. The whole "we always get screwed" mindset is downright pathetic IMO.

Officials make bad calls or miss calls in every game played. Those mistakes are obviously magnified in the last minutes of a tight game. Nonetheless, very rarely do those bad calls and missed calls decide the game-no more so than made or missed foul shots, failure to secure rebounds, turnovers or missed scoring opportunities.

I'm a believer that officials should "let 'em play" in a close game, unless it's a blatant foul. I didn't see the play you're talking about, but the no call in the last 5 seconds of the Louisville game is exactly what should have happened, IMO-and I was rooting for UCI.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Mostly I agree....

and I think it's kind of funny how most fan bases think that the refs are always out to get their team, but that call in the Providence game was simply wrong. It isn't why Providence lost the game. They were already behind and it was late in the game. Dayton only made one of the two shots. I think that turned a six point lead into a seven point lead, or maybe it was a seven point lead into an eight point lead. But in any event, it was unlikely that Providence was going to win whether they called the technical or not.

However, it was an awful call. Simply awful. He knocked a chair over. He didn't pick it up. He didn't throw it. He hit the chair and knocked it over. The chair never really left the Providence huddle. There was no reason to call that a technical. That ref shouldn't get any more games this tournament, that's for sure.

By the way, speaking of fan bases and thinking that the refs are always out to get their team, I was at a PIAA playoff doubleheader a couple weeks ago. I had no real rooting interest in the first game but wanted to go watch some of it anyway for various reasons. Early in the fourth quarter the of the fans sitting around me were completely incensed over the refs and how the refs were constantly screwing them with foul calls. At the time, their team had just been called for their seventh foul of the game. The other team had been called for more than 20, because the first team was in the double bonus in the first half and was already in the double bonus in the second half.

During the second game, the one that I had a rooting interest in, I actually heard someone sitting behind me saying "these refs are terrible, every single game we've played this year the refs have screwed us. Every single one." Mind you, this was a team that at the time was something like 23-4. Imagine what their record would have looked like if the refs hadn't screwed them in every single game.

 

[UPitt129]

I know that I sm always going to look at officials with a biase eye, because of my rooting interest in the games. I don't ever think that an official is out to get a team, but with that said I do think some are just really bad at what they do. It does infuriate me when they stick their head in and make a wrong call that impacts a game. I think back to the RMU NOVA tourney game a couple years ago, and that was a case of officials stealing a game from RMU. 13-9 was also brutal but pitt did win.

Now one of my best friends literally thinks refs cheat purposely against his team's. I think that is absurd.

 

[noelr]

Archie miller is now officially on my nerves by winning so many games as a 10 seed

 

[UPitt129]

Oh, I'll also add that the butler/pitt game was heavily skewed by the officials. At one point I believe pitt had gone up by about 5 or 7 points. Pitt got an offensive rebound, I believe Dante Taylor, and he put in what looked like an and one...except butler flopped and they gave him the call. Next trip down pitt had a fast break, and again a really bad call on a charge.butler went down and hit a 3 and I think instead of a 10 point lead it was a 2 point game.

That game turned, IMO, right there.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I generally think the less refereeing, the better. Now I don't want it to get to the NHL style, where essentially the spirit of the game has been completely subordinated to some crapfest.


But in basketball, I believe in my heart that there can be contact with no foul. That a 50/50 needs not to be officiated. And that some leeway is given to coaches to vent.

 

[DT_PITT]

I've watched the Butler game about 30 times ...

... and actually, I really don't think it was poorly officiated. I thought it was pretty well officiated.

The play with Dante that you mentioned happened around the 10 minute mark of the second half. We were up three.

I actually think the charge was the correct call there. He totally led with he shoulder and bulled hard into the defender. Also, for what it's worth, Butler didn't score until 2 possessions later, when they got a putback to cut it to one.

My point to this, though, is that charge/blocks are tough calls. You could probably talk to 20 people on that play and 7 would say charge, 7 would say block and 6 would go with no call. And that's after watching it various times in slow mo.

What Ed Cooley did last night had no bearing on the game whatsoever. More or less, I can't even understand why Terry Ogelsby was even paying attention to what Ed Cooley was doing in a timeout when it had absolutely nothing to do with him or the game.



This post was edited on 3/21 1:04 PM by DT_PITT

 

[DT_PITT]

Badby ... I absolutely agree with you ...


... I don't believe refs are ever out to get any team, but every team's fans think they are.

Many calls on the floor are really tough to make. But making that T call during a timeout was just really, really unnecessary.

 

[IamHeisenberg]

Originally posted by DT_PITT:
... than anyone else on this message board.

But I just watched a completely indefensible technical against Ed Cooley from Providence.

During a timeout, Ed smacked down a chair during a timeout in the huddle to fire up his team. Terry Oglesby, a highly senior official in both the Big 10 and Big 12 gave him T for this.

This was a complete joke of a T call by Oglesby. Simply a terrible, terrible call.

The worst part is that is probably won't be evaluated as a bad call because it might be by some letter of the law.

However, this was the worst officiating call I've seen in all the games on these past 2 days.

It was a good call. If he did that at the Pete we would have all been screaming for a T. It wasn't motivation it was just pure stupidity on his part and he paid the justified price.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

No, it wasn't....

and if he did that at the Pete sure, lots of fans would have been screaming for a T. Fortunately for people who like basketball they don't generally let the idiots in the seats officiate the game.

 

[DT_PITT]

That's the funny part about refs ...

... rarely is there ever a call that everyone can agree on!

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Re: I've watched the Butler game about 30 times ...

Originally posted by DT_PITT:
... and actually, I really don't think it was poorly officiated. I thought it was pretty well officiated.

The play with Dante that you mentioned happened around the 10 minute mark of the second half. We were up three.

I actually think the charge was the correct call there. He totally led with he shoulder and bulled hard into the defender. Also, for what it's worth, Butler didn't score until 2 possessions later, when they got a putback to cut it to one.

My point to this, though, is that charge/blocks are tough calls. You could probably talk to 20 people on that play and 7 would say charge, 7 would say block and 6 would go with no call. And that's after watching it various times in slow mo.

What Ed Cooley did last night had no bearing on the game whatsoever. More or less, I can't even understand why Terry Ogelsby was even paying attention to what Ed Cooley was doing in a timeout when it had absolutely nothing to do with him or the game.




This post was edited on 3/21 1:04 PM by DT_PITT

That's my point on contact 50/50 plays. Just make them no calls. Unless it was obvious a defender moved into the path of the offensive guy, or the defender was clearly set in his position, then don't call anything. I would say at least a third, maybe half of these calls are two guys getting to the same spot and the same time.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

In the words....

of the immortal John Winger, there's something wrong with you. Something very, very wrong with you.

 

[thebadby2]

Re: Badby ... I absolutely agree with you ...

Sure sounds like it.

 

[thebadby2]

Certainly makes you wonder....

Why the F would anyone ever want to be a ref?

The ultimate thankless job.

 

[drunkinoakland]

Re: Certainly makes you wonder....

300k a year, plus seeing world class athletes.

I did it one summer at the jr high and high school levels and it sucks though. I thought I was the worst ref in the world but I watched the league finals from the stand and realized they treated the other guys worse lol.
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[panthers76]

Columbus (where I live) got a lousy field the last time and lousy attendance. The first year games were here, we had UC, UK and Illinois and it was packed. With OSU sponsoring the event, they can't play here. Pitt would have been a great draw here but.... So I'm sure that figured into this at some point.

Pittsburgh did themselves proud with the attendance and environment at the games. Grreat crowds and great games. Pittsburgh is a better overall sports city in that fans are interested in the sport more than just their teams as evidenced in olympic hockey, playoff and super bowl ratings. Here it's just OSU football with basketball being a distant second even with all of Marta's success. The blue jackets had 2 weeks in the sun last spring although the city did a nice job with the all star game.