Going forward

[gary2]

i would play Ndir at the point, Johnson at the two, Trey at the three, Frame at the four and
Brown at the five. Toney would be the sixth man. Everyone else would play as sparingly as possible.

Maybe McGowens can get going if he has a bigger player guarding him.

 

[Pittx9]

I like that. Davis has to be the next guy off the bench though, needs way more minutes. Probably their second best defender and a much, much, much better shooter than Ellison.

 

[PittCity]

Mix and match like it matters now............ Now is when the players have to say enough is enough and win against the lower half of the ACC. Not that confident they will, but I see them winning a couple...maybe.

1- McGowens
2-Johnson
3-JWF
4- Toney (just dont shoot any 3s)
5- Brown and Chuck
WHO THE HELL ELSE DOES PITT HAVE TO PLAY ?

 

[Chescat]

i would play Ndir at the point, Johnson at the two, Trey at the three, Frame at the four and
Brown at the five. Toney would be the sixth man. Everyone else would play as sparingly as possible.

Maybe McGowens can get going if he has a bigger player guarding him.

I won't disagree on your starting five. The problem is on offense against a zone.
Who would you put in the middle? Ellison was there tonight and he can't handle it
because he can't shoot the foul line jumper, and he has trouble dishing off.
What Capel has them doing is right, the problem is nobody can handle the
middle.
Taking Johnson off the point is risky. We are clearly better with him as our
pg. Tonight was different because of Syracuse's zone. We have no mix
of players that can really beat it for forty minutes.
Playing everyone else as sparingly as possible would wear us down even
more quickly than we're already wearing down.

 

[gary2]

I won't disagree on your starting five. The problem is on offense against a zone.
Who would you put in the middle? Ellison was there tonight and he can't handle it
because he can't shoot the foul line jumper, and he has trouble dishing off.
What Capel has them doing is right, the problem is nobody can handle the
middle.
Taking Johnson off the point is risky. We are clearly better with him as our
pg. Tonight was different because of Syracuse's zone. We have no mix
of players that can really beat it for forty minutes.
Playing everyone else as sparingly as possible would wear us down even
more quickly than we're already wearing down.

Ellison can't shoot, can't shoot FTs and can't play in the middle of the zone.

What can he do? He can kill momentum.

He is a minus and needs to sit.

 

[Chescat]

Ellison can't shoot, can't shoot FTs and can't play in the middle of the zone. What can he do? He is a minus and needs to sit.

My guess is he's playing because of his attitude, hustle, defense, and ability to
hit the boards. With that said, he's been more of a negative. What I can't
understand is why Capel has him in the middle against the zone. There mustn't
be anyone else Capel trusts to play there.
Ellison IMO is the one Pitt player who seemingly has gotten worse as the season
has progressed.

 

[gary2]

My guess is he's playing because of his attitude, hustle, defense, and ability to
hit the boards. With that said, he's been more of a negative. What I can't
understand is why Capel has him in the middle against the zone. There mustn't
be anyone else Capel trusts to play there.
Ellison IMO is the one Pitt player who seemingly has gotten worse as the season
has progressed.

Maybe if you played Ndir at thr same time, you could play Johnsomn there?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

My guess is he's playing because of his attitude, hustle, defense, and ability to
hit the boards. With that said, he's been more of a negative. What I can't
understand is why Capel has him in the middle against the zone. There mustn't
be anyone else Capel trusts to play there.
Ellison IMO is the one Pitt player who seemingly has gotten worse as the season
has progressed.

Defense!?!?

Even his defense stinks

 

[gary2]

Defense!?!?

Even his defense stinks

I thought he missed some gettable rebounds today

He has too many holes in his game to be a positive.

 

[PittMBA]

I won't disagree on your starting five. The problem is on offense against a zone.
Who would you put in the middle? Ellison was there tonight and he can't handle it
because he can't shoot the foul line jumper, and he has trouble dishing off.
What Capel has them doing is right, the problem is nobody can handle the
middle.
Taking Johnson off the point is risky. We are clearly better with him as our
pg. Tonight was different because of Syracuse's zone. We have no mix
of players that can really beat it for forty minutes.
Playing everyone else as sparingly as possible would wear us down even
more quickly than we're already wearing down.

Ellison can't shoot, can't shoot FTs and can't play in the middle of the zone. What can he do? He is a minus and needs to sit.

I’m in the minority I’m sure - but 9 points 11 boards is not a minus. I know he’s frustrating— the missed FTs and put back we difficult; but I think was an effort he can build off of.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I’m in the minority I’m sure - but 9 points 11 boards is not a minus. I know he’s frustrating— the missed FTs and put back we difficult; but I think was an effort he can build off of.

I like your optimism

 

[Chescat]

Maybe if you played Ndir at thr same time, you could play Johnsomn there?

Well, I believe Johnson wouldn't do any worse. Problem is Ndir seemingly
can't play long stretches at a time. We have other weaknesses also against
a zone, and one of them is McGowens. He really struggles getting into gaps.
getting open and in decision making. What he does so well against a man to
man D doesn't work against zones. The only thing that looked impressive
tonight were Johnson's lobs deep to Brown for dunks.
The other point about zones, is that it's Syracuse. Their zone is on a different
level due to their length. They are very good forcing you into a perimeter
offense.

 

[Chescat]

I’m in the minority I’m sure - but 9 points 11 boards is not a minus. I know he’s frustrating— the missed FTs and put back we difficult; but I think was an effort he can build off of.

I would agree that he plays with "effort," but despite those stats he hurts us in
so many other ways. He had a great tip in, hit a jumper in the lane (but avoided
shooting on numerous opportunities). He did have a few assists down low The
problem is that middle position is key to what Capel has us doing. He basically
was IMO a liability in the middle of that zone. His ineffectiveness helped
force us into a perimeter passing game that basically killed us. Of course
their zone forced all of that to occur.

 

[Drew1208]

i would play Ndir at the point, Johnson at the two, Trey at the three, Frame at the four and
Brown at the five. Toney would be the sixth man. Everyone else would play as sparingly as possible.

Maybe McGowens can get going if he has a bigger player guarding him.

I actually would've played X in the middle against this zone and Ndir at the point.
I know it's crazy but Ellison is so useless that he's a waste.

 

[GT74]

i would play Ndir at the point, Johnson at the two, Trey at the three, Frame at the four and
Brown at the five. Toney would be the sixth man. Everyone else would play as sparingly as possible.

Maybe McGowens can get going if he has a bigger player guarding him.

That crossed my mind earlier in season. But at this point, I would start the 3 freshmen to get them as much experience as possible. N'dir is capable, but as a senior, has only a minor impact. My suggestion is playing Davis more. Like his energy, defense and rebounding. Also can hit the 3 and is only a soph. Can be a big help down the line.

 

[joeydavid]

Against the zone X was passing up 13' to 15' shots to dribble into trouble.

Ideally, that player is 6'5" or taller player who has strong hands, can shoot out to 15", can pass in traffic as well as attack the rim.

Trey or Toney are the only ones kind of fit that description. Maybe Kam.

I actually would've played X in the middle against this zone and Ndir at the point.
I know it's crazy but Ellison is so useless that he's a waste.

 

[Drew1208]

Against the zone X was passing up 13' to 15' shots to dribble into trouble.

Yeah I cheered heavily when he stopped and popped from the foul line.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Against the zone X was passing up 13' to 15' shots to dribble into trouble.

It's what he does.

And it's part of the reason that he isn't getting the calls that he was earlier in the season. Earlier in the year he got bailed out by the officials a lot when he drove himself into trouble. He isn't getting those calls anymore. It's as if the refs are saying to him, "if you keep getting yourself in trouble don't be looking to us to fix it for you."

If they can get him to develop a little teardrop shot or even just teach him when to pull up for an 8 - 10 footer he'll be so much more effective.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

It's what he does.

And it's part of the reason that he isn't getting the calls that he was earlier in the season. Earlier in the year he got bailed out by the officials a lot when he drove himself into trouble. He isn't getting those calls anymore. It's as if the refs are saying to him, "if you keep getting yourself in trouble don't be looking to us to fix it for you."

If they can get him to develop a little teardrop shot or even just teach him when to pull up for an 8 - 10 footer he'll be so much more effective.

Trey would be a better option to flash to the middle
Or Toney.

I have no trust in Ellison-
He must be a great practice player to keep getting the pt

 

[Franb]

Trey would be a better option to flash to the middle
Or Toney.

I have no trust in Ellison-
He must be a great practice player to keep getting the pt

Maybe the 11 rebounds he got yesterday has something to do with it as well.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Maybe the 11 rebounds he got yesterday has something to do with it as well.

Yeah, I mean with the way he rebounds all the time that kind of thing is hard to pass up.

Oh, wait, hold on a second, his rebounding on the whole actually isn't all that good. His rebounding percentages are worse that Chukwuka's for god's sake. Toney is a vastly superior rebounder. His defensive rebounding percentage isn't even as good as Wilson-Frame's or Davis'. And I don't think anyone has ever confused those guys with being good rebounders.

If you are playing Ellison in the expectation of good rebounding you surely can't be pleased with the way that has gone all season long, until yesterday I suppose.

 

[Chescat]

His defensive rebounding percentage isn't even as good as Wilson-Frame's or Davis'. And I don't think anyone has ever confused those guys with being good rebounders.

Considering that the three of them are wings their rebounding isn't all that bad.
Toney is also a wing and is "a vastly superior rebounder" as you pointed out.
Ellison appears to be pretty athletic and was getting minutes earlier in the
year. Unfortunately he appears to have not only not improved, but his game
has gotten progressively worse. Of course we are also now playing tougher
competition.
It looks to me like he has really lost all confidence, especially with his shot.
Playing him in the mddle of the zone was a mistake that really cost us.
He must be good in all the off court stuff because he is the captain. He's
probably a good team player, and locker room presence, otherwise I
can't see why he gets the minutes that he does.

 

[Ronnyp91]

Yeah, I mean with the way he rebounds all the time that kind of thing is hard to pass up.

Oh, wait, hold on a second, his rebounding on the whole actually isn't all that good. His rebounding percentages are worse that Chukwuka's for god's sake. Toney is a vastly superior rebounder. His defensive rebounding percentage isn't even as good as Wilson-Frame's or Davis'. And I don't think anyone has ever confused those guys with being good rebounders.

If you are playing Ellison in the expectation of good rebounding you surely can't be pleased with the way that has gone all season long, until yesterday I suppose.

Curious, where do you find these individual rebound percentages?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Curious, where do you find these individual rebound percentages?

Oh, sorry, I saw this earlier and wanted to answer it and forgot.

I have a subscription to Ken Pomeroy's site, he has all those numbers on there. However there are other places that have advanced stats like that that you don't have to be a member to see. Sports Reference is a good one that has lots of individual stats, both the raw numbers and advanced numbers. Pitt's page on their site is:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/pittsburgh/2019.html

They have more numbers on their than you can shake a proverbial stick at. If you scroll down to the "Advanced" section they have the offensive and defensive rebounding percentages there.

 

[Ronnyp91]

Oh, sorry, I saw this earlier and wanted to answer it and forgot.

I have a subscription to Ken Pomeroy's site, he has all those numbers on there. However there are other places that have advanced stats like that that you don't have to be a member to see. Sports Reference is a good one that has lots of individual stats, both the raw numbers and advanced numbers. Pitt's page on their site is:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/pittsburgh/2019.html

They have more numbers on their than you can shake a proverbial stick at. If you scroll down to the "Advanced" section they have the offensive and defensive rebounding percentages there.

Awesome I’ll be looking around at this for sure. Appreciate it thank you!