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** Due to a sweaty keyboard, these dribbles will be suspended halfway through.

** Anyway. It’s hard to know really know what think of this, isn’t it?

** Let’s start with this much anyway. We probably shouldn’t take anymore from a 2 point half time lead than we should have taken from a 4 point end of game win (or loss for that matter).

** But for this day, anyway, some of our more hopeful expectations look promising.

** The only real thing that perhaps should be taken from is pace. That pace is 38 first half possessions for the Panthers. That’s downright speedy for a Pitt Hoops game.

** And with that, our offense scoring 37 points in 38 possessions is only OK. But giving up 35 points in 38 possessions against a team like Gonzaga is pretty darn good.

** It’s also worth noting that 38 possessions in a half is just downright speedy for the Panthers. This is even more noteworthy since Gonzaga is a fairly mid-tempo team, who played at 65 possessions a game last year.

** But defensive efficiency stats were not all that we needed to see a renewed commitment to defense. Our aggressiveness on the perimeter was noteworthy. Even Jay Bilas noted it.

** We only struggled with guarding Wiltjer. Two of his threes were aided by poor rotation decisions by Jeter. But really, everyone will have that difficulty with Wiltjer. He’s good.

** And the only other defensive problem was with Karnowski, who was too good and too big for Ryan Luther. If Alonzo can stay out of foul trouble, this could be less of a problem.

** On the other end, we scored points despite not playing extraordinarily well (although not poorly). Mike was confident and solid, along with James. And Cam Johnson was again a force without being the great deep shooter we all think he can be.

** Sure, the Panthers did go through an offensive drought, but I somehow got the feeling that droughts like this in the future can be avoided if we can find the right mix of players. After all, don’t forget that the Panthers achieved this drought without Jamel Artis who was sitting with 2 fouls.

** And if I'm not mistaken, we went down by five (22-27?) but responded very well, led by a tremendous penetration basket and finish in the lane by James.

** It's hard to negate that Mike was quite good offensively in the first half and looked nowhere near his best. And Jamel barely played!

** Again … this half of a game deserves half dribbles I assume. And with this, I left this game half enthused. Which is better than half disappointed.
 
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I think we can safely say the people who thought the 30 second shot clock meant the end of Jamie Dixon were wrong. For one, it's only 5 seconds, 30 seconds should be plenty of time. On top of that, looked to me like Jamie adapted quite well and has moved the team to a bit more up-tempo style and gone back to aggressive defense.
 
** Due to a sweaty keyboard, these dribbles will be suspended halfway through.
** Anyway. It’s hard to know what think of this, isn’t it?
** Let’s start with this much anyway. We shouldn’t take anymore from a 2 point half time lead than we should have taken from a 4 point end of game win (or loss for that matter).
** For this day, anyway, some of our more hopeful expectations look promising.
** The only real thing that perhaps should be taken from is pace. That pace is 38 first half possessions for the Panthers. That’s downright speedy for a Pitt Hoops game.
** And with that, our offense scoring 37 points in 38 possessions is only OK. But giving up 35 points in 38 possessions against a team like Gonzaga is pretty darn good.
** It’s also worth noting that 38 possessions in a half is just downright speedy for the Panthers. This is even more noteworthy since Gonzaga is a fairly mid-tempo team, who played at 65 possessions a game last year.
** But defensive efficiency stats were not all that we needed to see a renewed commitment to defense. Our aggressiveness on the perimeter was noteworthy. Even Jay Bilas noted it.
** We only struggled with guarding Wiltjer. Two of his threes were aided by poor rotation decision by Jeter, But really, everyone will have that difficulty with Wiltjer. He’s good.
** And the only other defensive problem was with Karnowski, who’s also too good and too big for Ryan Luther. If Alonzo can stay out of foul trouble, this could be less of a problem.
** On the other end, we scored points despite not playing extraordinarily well (although not poorly) . Mike was confident and solid, along with James. And Cam Johnson was again a force without being the great deep shooter we all think he can be.
** Sure, the Panthers did go through an offensive drought, but I somehow got the feeling that droughts like this in the future can be avoided if we can find the right mix of players. After all, don’t forget that the Panthers achieved this drought without Jamel Artis who was sitting with 2 fouls.

** And if I'm not mistaken, we went down by five (22-27?) but responded very well, led by a tremendous penetration basket and finish in the lane by James.

** And Mike was very good in the first half and looked nowhere near his best.

** Again … this half of a game deserves half dribbles I assume. And with this, I left this game half enthused. Which is better than half disappointed.
I think what I take away from this game is that we were down five with about 6 minutes to go in the first half, our PG had a bloody face, we had two starters out with foul trouble, and we battled back to take the lead at the break. One of the hallmarks of last years bunch was that, quite simply, we could not take a punch. Remember the UVA game...pitt is in the game, UVA makes one run and we're dead. It happened frequently. Today, the #9 team made that kind of run, and we punched back.

Hail to pitt
 
I think what I take away from this game is that we were down five with about 6 minutes to go in the first half, our PG had a bloody face, we had two starters out with foul trouble, and we battled back to take the lead at the break. One of the hallmarks of last years bunch was that, quite simply, we could not take a punch. Remember the UVA game...pitt is in the game, UVA makes one run and we're dead. It happened frequently. Today, the #9 team made that kind of run, and we punched back.

Hail to pitt

I agree, and tried to allude to that.

However, it's worth noting that we punched back at times in the first half last year too. It was that ability to punch back in the final 8-10 minutes of second half that was lacking.
 
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When your starting center and your leading scorer sit through most of the first half, and you still are up
2 at the break (against a top ten team)....that's pretty good in my book. We also came back, from down
five with these same starters on the bench....Impressive.
 
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When your starting center and your leading scorer sit through most of the first half, and you still are up
2 at the break (against a top ten team)....that's pretty good in my book. We also came back, from down
five with these same starters on the bench....Impressive.
 
When your starting center and your leading scorer sit through most of the first half, and you still are up
2 at the break (against a top ten team)....that's pretty good in my book. We also came back, from down
five with these same starters on the bench....Impressive.

That's what's so weird about this. I completely agree with all of this. COMPLETELY.

However, we could have been outscored 39-25 in the second half and these thoughts would be completely moot.

In the end, I'll have to file this one in the same category of suspecting that we beat G-town in the secret scrimmage by 12.

I guess after 18 ACC games, we'll understand a better "truth."
 
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I picked this team 5th in the ACC. I think we were legitimately better than the 9th team in the country. I'm just upset that if we lose to Purdue, who has one of the best centers in the country and are ranked #23 by the way, we have it all to do in the ACC, needing 10 wins with at least 4 of them being Top 50 just to get a low NCAAT seed. A win over Gonzaga is worth at least 1 seed line and probably 2.

I like this team but now we have one less at bat.
 
We represented ourselves well and I'm glad we got the hell outta there before someone got seriously hurt. Sorry for the troops because those aren't the guys you want to see disappointed but I agreed with the decision to end it.
 
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Agree a half of basketball doesn't mean much. But a win on Tuesday means almost less in a way. Beating a team that far down the cupcake tree is less impressive than 20 good minutes played tonight IMO.
 
That's what's so weird about this. I completely agree with all of this. COMPLETELY.

However, we could have been outscored 39-25 in the second half and these thoughts would be completely moot.

In the end, I'll have to file this one in the same category of suspecting that we beat G-town in the secret scrimmage by 12.

I guess after 18 ACC games, we'll understand a better "truth."

I don't know DT. I hear all the time that only the last couple minutes of games matter. In my estimation, we played about 10 "last couple of minutes", which should be enough to declare victory.
 
I don't know DT. I hear all the time that only the last couple minutes of games matter. In my estimation, we played about 10 "last couple of minutes", which should be enough to declare victory.

LOL

I wish we could know if Dixon told the team "This game will be suspended at halftime -- so play the final 10 minutes of the half like it's the last 10!!"

Actually, I'm SURE that's what he told them!
 
Do the stats tonight count towards the players per game averages? Or even at all for that matter?
 
Pitt has some serious depth and some real shooters.
we have a center that can play defense, even though he only played two minutes. this is crucial.
Maia looked out of place to me.
James looks a lot better.
Cam has confidence in his shot, Jamie wants him to shoot it.
Mike Y is going to have a big year.
Pitt has some serious depth. Jamie has a challenge maximizing it and keeping people happy.
Pitt is going to be a LOT better than last year.
want to see Milligan when he isn't playing on skates.
thank goodness they called the game.
James is a tough kid. He could be a real leader this year. loved how he took the fall and couldn't wait to get back in
NC State got crushed by Wm and Mary, but Mav played almost the whole game. papa is proud. I hope NC State goes 3 and 30
 
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Maia has been banged up so it's tough to know what to expect from him but he definitely looked to be a bit more beefy than I expected. Hopefully he can play his way in to shape and be a valuable contributor.
 
Maybe an unimportant take away...but the body language tonight was just FUN to see after the way last year ended.

The bench warning was cool because they really looked like a team who flew 20 hours for business.

It was only 20 minutes on ice, but I really loved nearly everything I saw tonight.
 
It's great to get home from work and read some Dribbles. Doubly so when we start by talking about tempo and efficiency.

Also, I have been talking about this a bit in the offseason (albeit not on the board, sadly) about how the shortened shot clock may turn out to be the greatest thing to ever happen to Jamie Dixon...I will obviously withhold judgment for a few games but that first half of non-basketball really was encouraging in that department.
 
You can't take anything away from 1 game, let alone 1 half.

Listening to Jamie speak before the year, I could tell that he thought we were good. Usually a coach knows what he has especially if he has been doing it this long. Jamie was pretty adamant at least publicly/semi publicly that we would be good. Time will tell, but I started believing a few weeks ago, and yesterday did nothing to change my opinion.
 
I have been preaching for years the need to mix up defenses, and I think we will be seeing a bit more of that. I think that will be worth 1-2 turnovers more per game for the defense.

I saw some bad shots go up and some players not afraid to shoot. This is a good thing sometimes. This also will be interesting to see if Dixon allows some freedom.

Have to be honest, I need to see some basketball I like or making the drive to Pittsburgh is becoming less attractive to me every year. Especially after the bad basketball last year of which I do put some blame on coaching, recruiting, and talen. Of course the players need to execute also.

Nice to be talking hoops again. Now onto Duke....no matter what surface we play them on, we need a win. H2P!
 
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While it was only a half there's nothing but positives that can be taken from playing #9 even ( +2). People constantly underestimate JDs coaching ability ,he's got some talent here ,maybe not elite talent ,but enough to make this season look very promising. Looks like Luthers here to play this year , when it's all said and done the Luther and Cam class might turn out to be pretty good.
 
Pitt has some serious depth and some real shooters.
we have a center that can play defense, even though he only played two minutes. this is crucial.
Maia looked out of place to me.
James looks a lot better.
Cam has confidence in his shot, Jamie wants him to shoot it.
Mike Y is going to have a big year.
Pitt has some serious depth. Jamie has a challenge maximizing it and keeping people happy.
Pitt is going to be a LOT better than last year.
want to see Milligan when he isn't playing on skates.
thank goodness they called the game.
James is a tough kid. He could be a real leader this year. loved how he took the fall and couldn't wait to get back in
NC State got crushed by Wm and Mary, but Mav played almost the whole game. papa is proud. I hope NC State goes 3 and 30
Maia did have a nice seal on one of our drives to the hoop. He kept a defender from helping. Didn't see much of that last year.
 
Looked slow but then again he and everyone else was playing on an ice skating rink. The hedging by everyone playing the 5 was just bad.

Someone (Harve I believe) mentioned in another thread he was wearing protective padding which would account for a good bit of it. But he still didn't strike me as someone who's anywhere near game shape. But it's a long season and hopefully he'll be near or at full level come ACC time.
 
It's great to get home from work and read some Dribbles. Doubly so when we start by talking about tempo and efficiency.

Also, I have been talking about this a bit in the offseason (albeit not on the board, sadly) about how the shortened shot clock may turn out to be the greatest thing to ever happen to Jamie Dixon...I will obviously withhold judgment for a few games but that first half of non-basketball really was encouraging in that department.

There's another place to talk about things besides this board?

I am not aware of such a place.
 
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That's what's so weird about this. I completely agree with all of this. COMPLETELY.

However, we could have been outscored 39-25 in the second half and these thoughts would be completely moot.

In the end, I'll have to file this one in the same category of suspecting that we beat G-town in the secret scrimmage by 12.

I guess after 18 ACC games, we'll understand a better "truth."

True, but DT, even though none of us saw any of it, the reports that Pitt acquitted itself well and got the best of Georgetown during that scrimmage, and you add to that the 1st half last night against Gonzaga, while small sample size, it is looking like this team is going to be pretty darn good, an NCAA team and a team that has yet to play a lot together, meaning they should even get better.

Don't want to be overly effusive, but I think we could be in for a very fun year.

And yes, I will be happy to admit I was wrong if this happens.
 
You can't take anything away from 1 game, let alone 1 half.

Listening to Jamie speak before the year, I could tell that he thought we were good. Usually a coach knows what he has especially if he has been doing it this long. Jamie was pretty adamant at least publicly/semi publicly that we would be good. Time will tell, but I started believing a few weeks ago, and yesterday did nothing to change my opinion.

Totally agree Drunk and I posted and tweeted last night. The past few years, Jamie has been somewhat standoffish, not smiling and making eye contact a lot in interviews, you can see he has a bit of a gleam in his eye. Almost a swagger. I think he knows he got a good team that has a lot of versatility. I am really, really excited for this season. Probably moreso than any since 2008-09. I am not saying we are or will be that good, I am saying this team is a bit of a box of chocolates, but it seems like the chocolates may be mostly the types we like, versus the ones you bite into then toss away.
 
** The only real thing that perhaps should be taken from is pace. That pace is 38 first half possessions for the Panthers. That’s downright speedy for a Pitt Hoops game.

** And with that, our offense scoring 37 points in 38 possessions is only OK. But giving up 35 points in 38 possessions against a team like Gonzaga is pretty darn good.

** It’s also worth noting that 38 possessions in a half is just downright speedy for the Panthers. This is even more noteworthy since Gonzaga is a fairly mid-tempo team, who played at 65 possessions a game last year.

Gonzaga averaged 32 possessions in a half last season with a 35 second clock. So take 5 seconds away from each possession - 32*5 = 160 seconds. So in essence the new shot clock will automatically give each team 5-6 addt'l possessions per half.
So Pitt should see an increase of about 10 more possessions a game just due to the new shot clock. Which would make them mid-tempo like Gonzaga.
 
Also, I have been talking about this a bit in the offseason (albeit not on the board, sadly) about how the shortened shot clock may turn out to be the greatest thing to ever happen to Jamie Dixon...I will obviously withhold judgment for a few games but that first half of non-basketball really was encouraging in that department.

How so?

Also, Cup-O-Stats when?
 
True, but DT, even though none of us saw any of it, the reports that Pitt acquitted itself well and got the best of Georgetown during that scrimmage, and you add to that the 1st half last night against Gonzaga, while small sample size, it is looking like this team is going to be pretty darn good, an NCAA team and a team that has yet to play a lot together, meaning they should even get better.

Don't want to be overly effusive, but I think we could be in for a very fun year.

And yes, I will be happy to admit I was wrong if this happens.

I'll put it this way. With all the roster additions this year, plus returning all of our best players, I figured we were a tournament team before any games were played. The exhibition, double-secret scrimmage against G-town, and our 1/2 game against Gonzaga have done nothing to change my mind.
 
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