If this has already been posted somewhere I missed it so SIAP.
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I think they’re gonna have trouble with this one. The ncaa prohibits any non recruiting staff member to take Anyone they’ve coached for 2 full seasons. So presutti would either have to go or be elevated to comply with this ncaa rule
idont think I watched a second of Marquette basketball last year but his stats look solid.
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Would he qualify as an “individual associated with a prospective student-athlete”?
“In men's basketball, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete's anticipated enrollment and a two-year period after the prospective student-athlete's actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ (either on a salaried or a volunteer basis) or enter into a contract for future employment with an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete in any athletics department noncoaching staff position or in a strength and conditioning staff position.”
However, an “individual associated with a prospective student-athlete” “does not include an individual who maintained (or directed others to maintain) contact with the prospective student-athlete, the prospective student-athlete's relatives or legal guardians, or coaches only while employed in the athletics department at a four-year institution.”
Correct, that’s how coaching staffs have interpreted the rule. It’s why a guy like Milt Wagner didn’t get the ops job at Louisville.
Calipari ruined that for everyone by hiring Milt the first time around to land DaJuan
I hear you, but I’m saying that Milt’s maintained contact with DaJuan (or Junior) wasn’t only while he was employed by a four-year institution. Presumably, Presutti’s only relationship with Elliott was while he was employed by Marquette.
Yeah I understand that. It’s the coaching part that is assumed the same relationship. I’ll find an article about Georgetown where they’re in a similar situation of not being able to hire a guy unless he was 3rd assistant and everyone ended up getting screwed
Making Sense of the Jordan Brooks Situation
Is he an assistant coach for Georgetown or not? And how did his mystery status with Georgetown affect their chances with Tyrell Ward?
hilltophoops.substack.com
this is a similar situation. Brooks couldn’t be hired in a admin role and had to be an assistant because of the prior relationship with ward. It would apply to presutti as well. Why wouldn’t coaches be hiring guys left and right off fired staffs to get their players in administrative roles?? Because they interpret it as it’s against the rules.
Maybe this slips thru because the kid doesn’t seem that coveted and no one cares about Pitt, but the rule as read and interpreted prohibits us from doing this.
Btw; Jamie was gonna hire James Harden’s HS coach to get him in an admin role back in the day. Scott Pera. Ended up getting hired at ASU and ironically he’s now the head coach at Rice. That’s not legal today.
Why you gotta go bring up James Harden? That 08-09 team goes undefeated and cruises to the Natty with him onboard.Making Sense of the Jordan Brooks Situation
Is he an assistant coach for Georgetown or not? And how did his mystery status with Georgetown affect their chances with Tyrell Ward?
this is a similar situation. Brooks couldn’t be hired in a admin role and had to be an assistant because of the prior relationship with ward. It would apply to presutti as well. Why wouldn’t coaches be hiring guys left and right off fired staffs to get their players in administrative roles?? Because they interpret it as it’s against the rules.
Maybe this slips thru because the kid doesn’t seem that coveted and no one cares about Pitt, but the rule as read and interpreted prohibits us from doing this.
Btw; Jamie was gonna hire James Harden’s HS coach to get him in an admin role back in the day. Scott Pera. Ended up getting hired at ASU and ironically he’s now the head coach at Rice. That’s not legal today.
*sigh*
So doing a little or research and after @thirteenNINE pretty much confirmed it on the main board from what I’m told, there is precedent to get around this rule that would allow Pitt to take him and not move presutti off the staff or elevate him. I’ll tag @panther2141 as well since he apparently referenced my post on the premium board.
The student athlete would have to get a waiver from his previous school that he was run off/not invited back. They would then have to write a letter to the NCAA detailing why they think Pitt would be the best choice and not for any relationship or monetary reasons. Pitt would then also have to file a letter that they didn’t hire presutti in an attempt to persuade any of his former players to come with him to Pitt. Then the NCAA would make a ruling. It would almost certainly be granted unless someone contests it.
If it were me coaching or administrating at Pitt, not that they should listen to me… I’d look into a situation where Ben Howland ran off a player within the last 2 years and transferred to where a former staffer was the same year and cite that as the example. The kid became eligible immediately. But that’s just ME. HINT HINT whoever talks to the staff.
The student athlete would have to get a waiver from his previous school that he was run off/not invited back. They would then have to write a letter to the NCAA detailing why they think Pitt would be the best choice and not for any relationship or monetary reasons. Pitt would then also have to file a letter that they didn’t hire presutti in an attempt to persuade any of his former players to come with him to Pitt. Then the NCAA would make a ruling. It would almost certainly be granted unless someone contests it.
If it were me coaching or administrating at Pitt, not that they should listen to me… I’d look into a situation where Ben Howland ran off a player within the last 2 years and transferred to where a former staffer was the same year and cite that as the example. The kid became eligible immediately. But that’s just ME. HINT HINT whoever talks to the staff.
Yes the rule for PSA and prior relationship matters no matter what.
sorry the reason why is because schools like Alabama etc would just hire kids parents or whoever for phony athletic department jobs to keep them there. Tyler Hansborough’s mom having a job in UNC AD the last 2 years was the straw that broke that one.
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That is silly rationale because the Hansboroughs are a wealth family , from relatively close in Midwest terms to Kansas - and was recruited all along by Roy at KU before he left for UNC.
I have always hated Tyler as a player and especially the “psycho T”moniker tarhole fans created for him
i saw him at Elmo’s diner in Carborro one morning and had the desire to Gerald Henderson into his breakfast .
but the proposition a kid from Missouri who was recruited by a coach a Kansas only followed that coach to another historic blue blood in UNC because his very educated mom got a job there - is effin hilariously preposterous
If you think hansborough’s mom getting a job in his junior and senior seasons - while their younger son went to Indians-
Has any “straw that broke the camel’s back “ then you’re not informed as ya think you are .
Tyler’s dad was an orthopedic surgeon .
It’s not like they were looking for a bag.
His mom took a developmental position in the ad because they moved there and that’s her profession.
as I noted - I have no love for Tyler at all- but let’s not pretend his college educated mom getting a position in his junior season- in her field -
Is some token hire to curry favor from a top recruit
I never implied that they induced him or anything. I simply stated the rule. The rule was proposed in 2010, ironically the year after he graduated. The rule was enacted in 2012. Anything else you rambled on about was from your jump to conclusion mat
And qualifications have nothing to do with the rule. Milt Wagner is extremely qualified to be the ops guy at Louisville. He still can’t get it because of the rule.
Not sure how clearly I’m remembering the whole story, but I do know that his mom and dad were divorced long before she showed up at Carolina. She also filed bankruptcy just prior, so not sure you can rule out her need of a bagMAN of some sort. A lot of other questionable things went on concerning her job, but I don’t remember what all came of it and don’t feel like digging it up. It was also somewhat surprising that Tyler came back for his senior season- not that it proves anything.
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