Haley's Gone
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Good. Now Ben will have a new guy to blame.
While I definitely wasn't a big fan of Haley, our offense was pretty darned good. Our defense was bad in the clutch and, of course, Tomlin retains that entire group. Smart.
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promote that fitchner guy full well knowing he is gonna be Ben's B****.. Ben needs an OC he can walk over, basically dominate. this guy is it.. Personally I'd like to see Munch promoted but I doubt ben would sign off on that, he cant dominate Munch like he can this clown.
Defense is the problem. And, I thought Ben could change the call at the line if he wanted. Not sorry to lose Haley, but he was not the main problem.
He,Tomlin ,Ben were never on same page and even worse this year.
Never understood the hire from day one.
Never understood the hire from day one.
This was clear as day to anyone who was paying attention. I said this was happening weeks ago. You can't have a star QB and the OC not even talking no matter what success the Offense was having.
On a related note, Munch turned down a 2nd interview request for Arizona's HC. Maybe he is in line to be OC here. Not sure why he would prefer an OC job to a HC job but maybe he prefers to be in Pgh if he is the OC.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
The concerning thing is the supposedly Tomlin told the Defensive Staff they were safe and no changes were happenign on that side of the ball. Baffling if true.
On a related note, Munch turned down a 2nd interview request for Arizona's HC. Maybe he is in line to be OC here. Not sure why he would prefer an OC job to a HC job but maybe he prefers to be in Pgh if he is the OC.
Will be interesting to see what happens.
The concerning thing is the supposedly Tomlin told the Defensive Staff they were safe and no changes were happenign on that side of the ball. Baffling if true.
I don't see Ben working with a strong personality like Munch. he wants his way, this offense is his, not Tomlin's, not the OC's but his.. let him have his way with the qb coach.
Highest scoring offense in second 1/2 of season, 4400 yards passing by ben, Bell would have won rushing title had he played last game, Brown was MVP candidate.. If this is bad, id love to see what good is.
You could certainly be right. Maybe it was just a coincidence with Munch declining a 2nd Interview with Arizona and Haley being gone but we'll see.
I don't think Ben chooses his OC's though. If he did, no way Arians would have been forced to retire. Maybe things are different this time around and he will have more say in the hire but clearly he was against Arians leaving and I believe there were reports he was against hiring Haley.
Arians did it the right way. He built the offense around Ben's favorite plays, which kept him happy, but also was clearly respected enough to be the OC who could run the offense without as much of this drama.
I have no clue why he was fired. That was such a weird thing.
I have no clue why he was fired. That was such a weird thing.
Meh.... Steelers underwhelming in the redzone almost during his entire tenure and he was good for a handful of head scratching calls per game. His performance in playoff games was also very mediocre. Never liked him.
Our offense wasn't good. Every week, the offensive game plan that they spent the whole week designing, FAILED, it FAILED EVERY WEEK, then at the end, when we'd be down multiple scores, they'd hand the ball to Ben and the "athletes" and they'd draw plays in the dirt and hurry up and play frantic street ball during the 4th quarter to pull out miracle wins.
I'd rather have Ben just call the plays himself, why not? He gets paid $20 million/year and has 15 years experience, IMO he's as good an offensive mind as anyone they'd hire to have the title OC, to be honest, I'd like him to have someone he can walk all over.
Why not? For one reason, his plays are "good get open deep, I'll get it to you" then suddenly he's thrown 5 interceptions.
I guess you know, you're at al the practices, on the sidelines during games, a real insider, I'll defer to you. Obviously, all the no huddle calls where Haley signaling from the sidelines and all the interceptions where whenever Ben audibled out of Haley's proper calls.
Ben has 1 or 2 more years at most left. They need to get someone who can develop the next QB.
This!
The only reason the Steelers hired him was because of who his old man was, he's an average OC and it makes sense to bring someone in the QB can be civil with.
This is a big thing and I agree with you. The Steelers have been borderline pathetic in the redzone under Haley. They also need a complimentary back to Bell despite his desire to carry the ball all of the time.
No, they just need to get someone who can be helpful to winning a Super Bowl while Ben is still here, and worry about developing the next QB later. They're going to suck when Ben goes, there's no way around that. So just go ALL IN in every way while he's here, including loading up with talent and not worrying about the Salary Cap.
Not so much. If I knew for sure Ben was retiring after next year or the year after, if he made that clear, I wouldn't mind loading up contracts to fill the team with great talent for those particular years, even if I had to cut half the team the year after. I'm no cap guru, and I'm not sure how it works 100%, I don't study it, but if the question is do you want max talent while Ben is here, even if it meant you'd go 3-13 when he leaves because you'd have to dump contracts, I'd be OK with rolling those dice.
well big mouth Ben who definitely audibled into a pass on 4th and a foot now has to own the results. As for Mike Dumlin even a new coordinator will not help a guy who has a constant look of befuddlement like the game is happening to quick for him to think.
The entrenched franchise QB that will take no less than five or six years to replace, at the very minimum, wants Haley gone? He's gone.
Not exactly rocket science.
Not exactly rocket science.
Should get rid of Butler and Porter. Also some players like Mitchell and "Bince" Williams.
Exactly how I feel. I wasn't big on Haley, but I think there's a greater chance the offense gets worse than better. But of course tomlin has to stay loyal to his pals so porter keeps his job somehow, and no changes all to the defensive staff.
Todd Haley's offense in Pittsburgh was incredibly mediocre in the playoffs, they fire him after they have their best showing yet. Keith Butler's unit last year showed they have no idea what they're doing when Brady is opposite them, then this year a scrub qb absolutely humiliates them to no end. Already this offseason the handling of this coaching staff is looking to be worse than anyone could even possibly imagine.
The defense blows but Ben to Bell, Bryant and Brown can be done with or without Hayley. Ben has had three OCs. Two of them got to the SB.
The Steelers’ offense under Haley was so strange because the team could move the ball 50 yards in 2 or 3 plays against anyone. But ask them to get one lousy yard and they’d go 5-Wide or call the plays they ran on 4th down against Jacksonville and fail.
Let's see, I've already shown in another thread that the offense operates far better in the huddle than in no huddle. So for your remarks to be true, you'd think that the offense operates dramatically better in the 2nd half, and 4th quarter especially.
Rushing
yds/att
1st quarter - 4.6 yds
4th quarter - 3.1 yds
1st half - 4.2 yds
2nd half - 3.5 yds
Rushing TDs
1st quarter - 1
4th quarter - 2
1st half - 7
2nd half - 5
Rushing Yds
1st quarter - 494
4th quarter - 417
1st half - 854
2nd half -813
Passing
yds/att
1st quarter - 7.2 yds
4th quarter - 8.3 yds
1st half - 7.4 yds
2nd half -7.5 yds
Passing TDs
1st quarter - 7
4th quarter - 8
1st half - 15
2nd half -14
Passing Yards
1st quarter - 919
4th quarter - 1245
1st half - 2319
2nd half -2068
Interceptions
1st quarter - 6
4th quarter - 4
1st half - 7
2nd half - 8
Offense
1st Downs
1st quarter - 29
4th quarter - 21
1st half - 54
2nd half -46
Yards per Play
1st quarter - 6.01
4th quarter - 5.83
1st half - 6.13
2nd half - 5.65
But wait, these stats seem to show that the Steelers performed relatively uniform through all four quarters. There even seems to be an edge to their 1st quarter ("FAILED, it FAILED EVERY WEEK") performance versus their performance in the 4th quarter. For total yard stats, keep in mind that the Steelers had 50 more offensive plays in the 4th quarter than the 1st quarter(although I'm not sure how many more drives). It's almost as if you make up "facts" to support your unjustified opinion.
With the weapons they have it shouldn’t be hard to find someone to call plays and score points.
Keith Butler and Joey Porter need to be next in line to go
Keith Butler and Joey Porter need to be next in line to go
Haley was OK but his relationship with the QB and his off field stuff probably sealed his fate. Can't have a coach getting into fights a week before the playoffs. Porter should have been gone last year. Need to expect more from the coaching staff if they want to exert more control over the locker room (Tomlin won't do it but they need to).
Also wondering if Mularkey gets a look at OC.
Edit: I see Fitchner is the new OC.
Also wondering if Mularkey gets a look at OC.
Edit: I see Fitchner is the new OC.
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Stats aren't proof of anything really, it's like the stupidity of judging best teams by RPI.
Haley was FAR from the problem with the Steelers. But anything to keep Fat Head Ben Happy. I'm waiting for the day when the Stillerz announce they are moving to LA or Las Vegas. Can't happen soon enough.
Oh no what will Yinz do?
the defense looked pathetic in the last two playoff losses, and they have been allowing every bad QB in the league to have a career day against them for years
why are those coaches still employed by the steelers?
why are those coaches still employed by the steelers?
Arizona has a pretty major rebuild approaching. No QB and Fitz is talking retirement. Team is just so so which isn't great for a HC. If the team sucks there is no where to go but up, if they are good its a chance to win right away, but a average team can be really hard to take up a level when they don't have a QB and their best offensive player won't be there that much longer. If he becomes OC at pittsburgh its likely he will lead a very productive offense and can pretty much choose between 4 or 5 HC jobs in the near future
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