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I remember how Shady made up his mind and was upset when he Father drove him to Pitt for his last visit complaining he did not want to go and decided on Penn State. The Father reminded him, you promised to visit Pitt and that is what we are going to do. Shady showed up and visited and went to the Basketball Game and The Zoo chanted his name and shady made the switch to Pitt is It!!!

Shady that switched from Penn State to Pitt showed up for every class, practice, and game, learned the game and never looked back and with no Regrets!
 
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I remember how Shady made up his mind and was upset when he Father drove him to Pitt for his last visit complaining he did not want to go and decided on Penn State. The Father reminded him, you promised to visit Pitt and that is what we are going to do. Shady showed up and visited and went to the Basketball Game and The Zoo chanted his name and shady made the switch to Pitt is It!!!

Shady that switched from Penn State to Pitt showed up for every class, practice, and game, learned the game and never looked back and with no Regrets!
Joe the Panther fan its not an NCAA violation like you said it was in the basketball thread. The Zoo / fans did the same thing for Chris Jacobsen when they chanted Lumpy, Lumpy. He committed to PITT the next day!
 
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Captain,I liked it better when my Great players were part of Great Teams!If I had more Great players I'd of had a better career record.Isn't it funny that when your players are better than the other teams players you win more games?
 
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Captain,I liked it better when my Great players were part of Great Teams!If I had more Great players I'd of had a better career record.Isn't it funny that when your players are better than the other teams players you win more games?
Not what you posted before????? However, Thank you for your clarifications!!!

I still believe Pitt is just as proud of its Players as their Teams, and Pitt has had higher and better teams in CFB History, more than Penn State or West Virginia!
 
"Bobtown Bart, post: 792052, member: 9081"]Captain,WVU would of had a national championship if that darn Wanny hadn't of ruined it for them.
Right, but Shady McCoy had much to do with that Win and on a 4 Win Team???? Pitt still is proud of Shady McCoy at Pitt and after Pitt!!! So was the Eagles and NFC naming him Offensive Player of the Year! When WVU Alumnus or Penn State has Players like that and more than Pitt Players let me know???? Pitt and Pitt Players are loved at LSU too!

It forced Rich Rod to leave town and it's been downhill ever since.
I agree, CoacRod was eyeing the Michigan Job, as WVU Fans burned down his Hometown Sign and harassed his Mother, while CoachRod was escorted by Police with his family leaving WVU??? Now WVU wants him back!!!

Good to see you agree and now admit even Teams with 4-7 Wins and Great Players in the NCAA and NFL, can beat Great Teams that went 12-1!

When Penn State and WVU produce more great Players in the NCAA and NFL, you let me know someday, but that is not true so far yesterday or today and that is the last 5, 10, 15, 25, and 140 years?
 
Jeebus relax... Pitt DOES have a "good" ball team. To say they don't is nuts. We are 15-3??? We don't suck we aren't average we aren't superior we are however "good"

I really doubt ups taking recruits to a bball game is a real option
 
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When did I say that I agree with you about great players are more important that great teams.Give me the 12-1 team over the 4-7 team.Your obsessed with individual achievement over team achievemen!I was and always will be a team man that will give accolades to great players.Captain your mesmerized by great players and can't see great teams are the pot of gold and the players are the coins.
 
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Stache,by your definition Pitt might be good but by my definition of a good team Pitt& WVU are above average,not good!There are about10 good teams this year and no great teams.
 
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"Bobtown Bart, post: 793197, member: 9081"]When did I say that I agree with you about great players are more important that great teams.
Took you awhile but welcome aboard!

Give me the 12-1 team over the 4-7 team.
Give me a 12-0 Team with a NCS Titles full of Great NCAA & NFL Players over a 12-1 with no Titles and Less Great Players, is my point!

Your obsessed with individual achievement over team achievemen!I
Nope, just recognizing any University can be proud of that factor too, and many are, unlike you once weer obsessed with just Teams. Pitt has both and longer and still better wity way more Players and TEAMS!

was and always will be a team man that will give accolades to great players.
You first post on the subject said otherwise, it can be looked up. You need to re-read it and understand you were confused on the subject not me?
Captain your mesmerized by great players and can't see great teams are the pot of gold and the players are the coins.
Nope, just pointing out any University is made up of Alumni, and Alumni make Teams, and still are Alumni that can go on and help other Teams Win where Competition is even tougher??? Just because you once believed it was all about Teams and Pitt has both in its history, and you need educated on the subject based on your initial postings!

I think you are upset and still obsessed that the Programs you favor are not up there with USC, ND, Miami, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas and Pitt, and now you have learned otherwise! Good for you!
 
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Stache,by your definition Pitt might be good but by my definition of a good team Pitt& WVU are above average,not good!There are about10 good teams this year and no great teams.
I have always agreed, not much difference between PSU, PITT and WVU, this year, and the last 5 Years all with multiple coaches 2011-15? All need to do better!

As I see it right now, PSU 7-6 and 7-6 has the Top 15 Program with all the Resources and Great Recruiting for any Coach to win in his 3rd year. Yet, still needs better coaching to equal and beat Big Ten Teams with Programs with same Resources but better coaching as well as lesser Resource Big Ten Programs with better coaching?


Pitt at 8-5 has finally got a New Chancellor that got rid of an A.D that couldn't attract a Good, Very Good, or Great Head Coach at Nebraska or Pitt. Yet, New Chancellor with Interim A.D. attracted one that wanted to be at Pitt and in his first year showed better coaching in his First Year and his Recruiting is up compared to the other Coaches before him? Now he has to take on 4 New Coaches in ACC Coastal and Cuse on top of Very Good Coaches at UNC, GT, and Duke??

WVU at 10-3, 7-6, 4-8, 7-6 and 8-5 has mixed bag with a Program of Resources more than Pitt has had and less than PSU, but has difficulty beating the better Programs and Coaches in Big-12 too after his 5th year???

In 2015, PITT & WVU were tied and ranked 42nd in 2015, and Penn State ranked 58th!

PITT's Narduzzi is ranked at 42nd since he took over in 2015 8-5 .615%! Pat Narduzzi is the same in First Head Coaching job at Pitt.


WVU's Holgrosen is ranked 58th since he took over WVU in 2011 at 36-28 .562%! Dana Holgrosen went 10-3 in his first Head Coaching job at WVU with Bill Stewart in 2011, and 7-6 his first full year by himself in 2012!

Penn State's Franklin is ranked 62nd since he took over in 2014 at 14-12 .538. James Franklin went 6-7 his First Head Coaching job at Vanderbilt in 2011 and 62-42 since becoming a Head Coach.

Since 2011-2015, Penn State is 47th 38-25, WVU is 58th 36-25, and Pitt is 69th at 33-32! All 3 Coaches have more difficult schedules in 2016 than they did in 2015. All have many Players back and we shall see what they do in 2016 and two of them against one another????
 
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Captain I was referring to basketball when I said Pitt&WVU are above average and not good this year.But that's OK I enjoyed your writing on football none the less.All three were about even this year in football but I think one was just a bit better than the other two.And no it wasn't my favorite team.The great player topic got me thinking about one I had a few years ago.He broke the wpial rushing record(since broken many times)back then.Boy was I a very good OC went he was there,every play call seemed to work.Oh by the way we didn't make the wpial playoffs his senior year!!!The defense stunk.
 
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"Bobtown Bart, post: 793547, member: 9081"]Captain I was referring to basketball when I said Pitt&WVU are above average and not good this year.
I agree to disagree, I think WVU is way better than Pitt in BB and Huggins is a better coach! I love Jamie though as Pitt BB, but if they replace him, I would want it to be Sean Miller!

But that's OK I enjoyed your writing on football none the less.All three were about even this year in football but I think one was just a bit better than the other two.
I can accept that with one caveat, it depends when they would have played between the 3 Teams.

And no it wasn't my favorite team.The great player topic got me thinking about one I had a few years ago.He broke the wpial rushing record(since broken many times)back then.Boy was I a very good OC went he was there,every play call seemed to work.Oh by the way we didn't make the wpial playoffs his senior year!!!The defense stunk.Well, Again, I admire you took the time to coach, but I share my opinions and like to back them up with a few facts and links, and I only post things I have heard, know, or been told, and know less every day, as I defer to many others that know more on the Lair! I will Defend Pitt Football History on the Lair, and admit its weaknesses but seldom comment on them, since many do it every day anyway. I also go to PITT, WVU, PSU, USC and ND games, but less so in recent years. I enjoy and respect all of them too!
 
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