Any idea if Hamlin's RS appeal was approved or denied? What is the normal time frame for this type of decision?
Hamlin's RS
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He won't be eligible for a redshirt, unless they change the rules at a later date. They won't even worry about this unless he needs to apply for a 5th year.
Pretty much what I was thinking. Looking for big things from DH this year with getting healthy and putting some muscle on.
Hamlin's progression is (IMO) the biggest storyline of the offseason. If he lives up to his recruiting ranking, our D takes a huge step forward.
I'm a little worried that he could be a bit injury prone. His high school career was riddled with injury too if I'm not mistaken.
I'm a little worried that he could be a bit injury prone. His high school career was riddled with injury too if I'm not mistaken.
Hamlin was injured during the early part of the season then played later. I don't see him getting a medical red shirt. In retrospect we should have gone ahead and let him sit all year and get healthy. But hindsight is 20/20 and all of us were searching for an answer at the time and hoped Hamlin would be it.
I don't think college coaches worry too much about redshirts for players that can contribute quickly. If he's that good, he's not staying anyway.
I don't think Medical Redshirts can even be requested until the player has exhausted all his eligibility.
crazy how many of you people think he's going to the pros early. do you have any idea how hard it is to make it to the NFL but to actually to declare for the NFL before your eligibility is up. why does everyone think this is a forgone conclusion? Being a 4star recruit doesn't equate to being a sure fire NFL draft pick.
Think it's time you guys come back down to earth for a bit here with this "if he's that good, he wont need it anyways" stuff.. IF he's that good he will be a very small percentage of players and odds are, he'll need all 4 years of eligibility.
Think it's time you guys come back down to earth for a bit here with this "if he's that good, he wont need it anyways" stuff.. IF he's that good he will be a very small percentage of players and odds are, he'll need all 4 years of eligibility.
Why go there w/ a 18 year old kid. To make the statement that a kid who has yet to play a full P5 ACC league game where he showed anything of any substance that would suggest the NFL is in his future 1 full year before his allotted time is finished is insane.
The kid had a good H.S. career at a H.S. where he played w/ multiple other high level players who could mask any liability Damar had or not . I realize he is a special talent but so are a whole lot of other kids who he will be up against.
I would be happy if Damar just got to the point of being a HM or 2nd team All ACC player before his time is done. If he goes beyond that then it's all gravy. But I think we need to temper our expectations because there are some other talented kids in our program who just may have something to say about who is getting the reps this year let alone the following years or NFL.
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Thank you for answering my question....kinda.
We've already gone over whether some people think he is eligible or not....that's not the question. The staff fully intended on applying for it, I wasn't sure whether it was done already and when will they get a tesult back.
Sorry if I made it sound as if Hamlin was a lock for the pros. He's not. I was trying to point out that it's not a huge deal to college coaches when it comes to medical redshirts and I was pointing out why. If a kid isn't NFL caliber, a coach will take what he can get but will always be looking for "the next big thing" and make sure there's plenty of competition at the position. You have to be pretty confident in your recruiting and I'm certain this staff understands that.
Generally speaking, if a staff is willing to burn a redshirt, it's because they don't feel like they had a choice or they think the kid is just that good.
With his size vs. the physical type of CB Narduzzi seems to need to be successful ... I truly wonder if he'll come close to anticipated potential.
I was also going to say he didn't appear to have close to the same motor as Whitehead, but I honestly don't know the extent of the injuries he was dealing with, and how lack of prep may have had him thinking too much to be able to fly around like he might normally.
So with other guys coming in closer to the Narduzzi prototype, it's going to be interesting to see.
I was also going to say he didn't appear to have close to the same motor as Whitehead, but I honestly don't know the extent of the injuries he was dealing with, and how lack of prep may have had him thinking too much to be able to fly around like he might normally.
So with other guys coming in closer to the Narduzzi prototype, it's going to be interesting to see.
In my opinion, having watched Hamlin in person, he was overrated as a recruit. I think because he waited till the end to commit, and it was a PSU vs Pitt battle, he got a lot of hype. He is a good football player (not great) and has the chance to be a good player in his junior and senior years. Whitehead and Ford are on another level than Hamlin. Anyone who has seen those 3 in person will tell you the same thing
Agree that whitehead and ford are better players. But a 6-3 corner in hs that plays well is obviously gonna get some attention. I still have hopes he'll be one of the better corners we've seen at Pitt in a good while.
In this defense, they are asked to be more physical with the receivers so bigger CB's are needed. Safety is supposed to recover and get over the top for help. Of course you actually have to jam and be physical which wasn't happening last year.
First off, you can be granted a medical RS before your 5th year. Tre Tipton was awarded a medical RS. Some of you are confusing that with a non-medical RS which isnt technically granted until your 5th year. We might call Therran Coleman a RS FR next season but he hasn't officially been awarded that RS yet.
I am also on record saying Hamlin gets the medical RS. I read the rule and i think Pitt has a good enough case. The same injury caused him to miss the first part of the season and ended his season. If it was 2 different injuries, then I'd say no.
In fact, I'd go do far as to say they shut Hamlin down after the Clemson game with the intention of applying for the RS.
I am also on record saying Hamlin gets the medical RS. I read the rule and i think Pitt has a good enough case. The same injury caused him to miss the first part of the season and ended his season. If it was 2 different injuries, then I'd say no.
In fact, I'd go do far as to say they shut Hamlin down after the Clemson game with the intention of applying for the RS.
Found this and depending on how they can/may plead their case he may not qualify since he played in the second half of the season
- The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
- The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
- The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
- The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater.
Hamlin is not eligible for a hardship waiver. As soon as he played in the second half of the season he lost the year. No matter what some poster thinks here are the exact rules. He is ineligible for two reasons. He wasn't incapacitated for the remainder of the season. It is also clarified later that reinjury in the second half of the season doesn't qualify for the wavier.
12.8.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of “hardship.” Hardship is defined as an incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions:
(a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any two-year or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete’s senior year in high school;
(b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship in that sport (see Bylaw 12.8.4.3.4) and results in incapacity to compete for the remainder of that playing season;
(c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only scheduled or completed competition against outside participants during the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. Dates of competition that are exempted (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition shall count toward the number of contests or dates in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in the season, except for scrimmages and exhibition contests that are specifically identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations. Scrimmages and exhibition contests that are not exempted from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition may be excluded from the calculation only if they are identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations; and
12.8.4.3.5 Reinjury in Second Half of Season. A student-athlete who suffers an injury in the first half of the season that concludes with the NCAA championship or who suffers an injury after the first day of classes in his or her senior year of high school, attempts to return to competition during the second half of that season and then is unable to participate further as a result of aggravating the original injury does not qualify for the hardship waiver. (Revised: 11/01/01, 8/8/02, 7/31/14)
12.8.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of “hardship.” Hardship is defined as an incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions:
(a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any two-year or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete’s senior year in high school;
(b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship in that sport (see Bylaw 12.8.4.3.4) and results in incapacity to compete for the remainder of that playing season;
(c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only scheduled or completed competition against outside participants during the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. Dates of competition that are exempted (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition shall count toward the number of contests or dates in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in the season, except for scrimmages and exhibition contests that are specifically identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations. Scrimmages and exhibition contests that are not exempted from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition may be excluded from the calculation only if they are identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations; and
12.8.4.3.5 Reinjury in Second Half of Season. A student-athlete who suffers an injury in the first half of the season that concludes with the NCAA championship or who suffers an injury after the first day of classes in his or her senior year of high school, attempts to return to competition during the second half of that season and then is unable to participate further as a result of aggravating the original injury does not qualify for the hardship waiver. (Revised: 11/01/01, 8/8/02, 7/31/14)
I've posted and discussed these rules regarding a Hardship Waiver (medical redshirt) at least twice a year for at least 5 years (probably more) ...... you are correct that Hamlin doesn't qualify for a Hardship Waiver by the criteria set forth in the rule for the reasons you said .....
However, does that mean 100% that he can't get a Hardship Waiver ...... the answer is NO .....
Pitt has to apply to the ACC for a Hardship Waiver for Hamlin (they may already have done that) and likely the ACC will say he doesn't qualify for a Hardship Waiver because he doesn't meet the criteria in the rule (just as you said) ..... if that is the case, the denied waiver can be sent to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for review (basically appealed) ..... it's rule 12.8.4.2.1 (Review of Denied Waiver) ..... the ACC, if they deny the Hardship Waiver, "may submit the waiver to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement. The Committee shall have the authority to review and determine whether to approve the waiver based on circumstances that may warrant relief from the application of the legislated waiver criteria." ..... in other words the Committee can grant the waiver even if the student-athlete doesn't meet the criteria in the rule if they think there are circumstances that warrant exemption from the criteria .... odds likely are against the Committee granting the waiver to Hamlin, but it is possible (Pitt would have to make a good case for the Committee to grant the denied waiver).
It not going to happen. Just like people claimed that Pitt was going to get a waiver Chris Clark was going to get a waiver. Yes their is a chance but this case doesn't meet the extraordinary circumstances that are required to get a waiver.
I agree, as I already stated, that Hamlin almost assuredly won't get a waiver even by the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement ....... but what are the "extraordinary circumstances" required as they are not listed ...... do you definitively know whether Pitt applied or will apply for the waiver ?
I also just wanted to make clear that there are cases where the waiver is granted despite not meeting the criteria in the rule.
