I’m saying there was no “decade long” slide .
We were mediocre under wanny and mediocre after -
That we went to the same mediocre 3 years in a row 3 different coaches proves it
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We were mediocre under wanny and mediocre after -
That we went to the same mediocre 3 years in a row 3 different coaches proves it
It would also have exposed the incompetence of the chancellor and trustees in letting all of that happen. All of us were witnessing it in real time in horror yet none of the university officers responsible to stop it did a thing. A trial, which never would have happened anyway, settlements would have occurred well before… would have been quite embarrassing to university leadership.
No different than what happens every day in corporate America and in the current U.S. government and administration. And it's not going to stop any time soon.
Current ?
Lulz
One talked about infrastructure , challenging reliance on China for tech , and lowering deficits /
Another actually is doing it
Nerdy and smiley did not get us into the ACC . In the words of pitt insider frank gustine all nerdy did was take the phone call .We were the fall back after UConn was black balled .
No doubt, we went from one version of mediocre to a different version of it. Or, in other words, it didn't take any time at all to get back to where we were, let alone a decade.
Not to put too much spin on the ball but a reminder that peak wanny was finishing 3rd in the Big East and winning the Tire Bowl in Charlotte against a 5th place acc team
After losing the only 2 meaningful games we had And making Randy Edsall an UConn dancing legend
After losing the only 2 meaningful games we had And making Randy Edsall an UConn dancing legend
- Petersen Sports Complex
- Pitt Football going from a bottom feeder playing in front of 15k people to averaging 60k a game in 2003 and putting out a good product
- Pitt basketball going from a bottom feeder to back to back Sweet 16’s
These 3 things happened under his watch during his first tenure and he deserves credit.
- Pitt Football going from a bottom feeder playing in front of 15k people to averaging 60k a game in 2003 and putting out a good product
- Pitt basketball going from a bottom feeder to back to back Sweet 16’s
These 3 things happened under his watch during his first tenure and he deserves credit.
I don't know what was worst with Steve? The logo change? The "Pittsburgh" not "Pitt" change? The uniform colors change? Demolishing Pitt Stadium and not reserving the space? Moving to HF? Lying and saying there were fewer season tickets sold then there actually were at Pitt Stadium? Being petty with Wannstedt, and not replacing the carpet at the practice facility? Letting the optics occur of Dave's final press conference? Hiring Haymaker? Hiring Fraud? Hiring Callahan at Nebraska? I mean, there were are A LOT of Eff Ups with him.
I would have liked to see Wanny get another two years, I think he had his defensive system in a good place, if only he could have brought in one of the best young OC's on the market ........come to think of it, it seems frightening similar to Pitt's current situation....
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Well, thanks for the recap. Peak Wanny was 27 wins in 3 seasons.
Now may I remind you that the last decade netted this:
4 coaching changes. And two were national embarrassments.
Only two bowl wins and those against MAC teams.
4 losing seasons and only one season over eight wins.
Bad losses a plenty. I'll highlight Youngstown state, the Houston bowl debacle, and of course, Western Michigan just to name a few. And there most certainly are others.
Mediocre recruiting if you use stars or offers as criteria.
I could go on but what is the point.
So, a whole lot of bad there, and any observer who would call that mediocre is just not being honest.
May I also remind you Nostradamus that you also proclaimed at the time better days were ahead and to enjoy the ride. Didn't age well did it?
Yup. That makes for a fun “what if” discussion. Does Pitt end up in the Big 12? If so, do Mr. and Mrs. HTP725 become the official road game tailgate party leaders?
It says everything that anyone needs to know that the Wanny supporters are desperate to give him credit for winning a game weeks after he was fired.
Peak Wanny won 26 games in three seasons, and then got fired.
OK, Joe. So happy you got that off your chest. Don't care what your record book says. His team, his coaches, his practices, his win.
I don't keep a record book. The school does. And several outside sources do. They all say the same thing, that Wanny won 26 games his last three seasons. The fact that you are so desperate to give him credit for wins that he didn't not actually achieve says all anyone needs to know about his "accomplishments".
Which strangely enough is as only 1 more games as walt Harris over 3 years - and Seneca doesn’t long for him.
still disgusted to my stomach that our clown chancellor gave that POS a 2 million dollar retirement bonus from the university's money for absolutely nothing. how that even happened is beyond me.
Wanny would have had to go 0-12 and then 1-11 to equal Steve's incompetence of Dave's firing, and the hiring of Haymaker and Fraud.
what's the difference between pederson and roadkill? There would be tire marks trying to avoid road kill.
I've stated my position before with respect to the 27th win. Simply stated, Wanny much more deserves credit for the win than a guy who did nothing more than pace the sidelines. You and the record books are free to posit otherwise. What is not subject to debate is that the program won 27 times over three seasons. And that is more than what followed.
Funny, I post a sobering list of decade-long bad football, and you and Joe only focus on one win in particular. Smells like desperation to me
Frank gustine. Vs. a noted blow hard. ? Hmmmm
that was borderline criminal
Just makes me appreciate where the athletic department is today a little more. By no means would I call it perfect but at least it isn't a complete embarrassment.
Yes. And it wasn't difficult, either. Just give the fans a little something and stop with the complete embarrassments. We wanted the script back and the unique colors. It wasn't hard, except SP refused to listen. The football program is stable.
There was no decade long bad football - unless you’re including 4 of 6 years under wanny in that list
Your opinion on the 27th win is not reality .
Wanny chose to NOT coach that game - so no it’s not his win
The only desperation is your devotion to a mediocre coach who bad mouthed pitt
wasnt it Steve who first got rid of the script? if he brought it back, well he at least deserves some credit for finding the error of his ways and correcting a pretty big F up on his part. even if it took him 20 years to do it..
He got rid of script. He got rid of pitt he brought in torch cut Pittsburgh as a tribute to the years he spent working At carrie blast furnace. ( ok that happened to me l
LOL, begrudgingly and on a "limited basis" as he was trying to save his job. He couldn't even bring himself to commit to a full return. Such a egotistical POS.
You have to remember that in the early 90s the brand was tainted terribly
And yes as crazy it seems the designer also did the X-box and jump man logo
It was a mess for sure but better than the Dino seal reboot
The major f up red flag at Nebraska was career ending as an AD for him to everyone but Pitt.
You are entitled to your own opinion, as misguided as it is. You are not, however, entitled to your own facts.
I know that that doesn't seem right to you, but it is none the less true.
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