It’s a different era!!! Wake forest was the worst team in the ACC 2 years ago. The magic of the portal has sped up every possible timeline. There’s no progress in year 4. The capel experiment is an abject failure. It may not be this year, but next year will certainly be the last. He’s cooked.
Has there ever been a college basketball coach that has failed to bring in a high school recruit in 2 consecutive years?
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You still haven’t answered the fundamental question: what has he done to prove he can get this going? Give me ANY sort of tangible evidence?
Recruiting? Eh
Coaching? Eh
Staff? Nope
Roster management? Nope
Game prep? Nope
Excuses? YEP!!!
why would I answer you? any factual evidence I post will be ripped apart by chest pounding know it alls.
Iowa State went 0-18 in conference and 2-22 overall last year.
Posting just because some of the propositions in this thread can be checked - not to take a side or rationalize anything.
– The experience value is in terms of years of college experience where a player’s eligibility class is assumed to determine this. For the purposes of the calculation, a freshman has zero years of experience, a sophomore has one year of experience, etc.
– Like the average height calculation, the experience calculation weights the experience of each player on the roster based on minutes played. Players that have played less than 10% of their team’s minutes are not included.
Pitt ranks last in the ACC in continuity and near the bottom in the country:
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KenPom tracks experience. Pitt is No. 10 of 14 ACC teams ranked by experience this season.| Wake Forest | 2.40 |
| Syracuse | 2.37 |
| Virginia Tech | 2.20 |
| Louisville | 2.16 |
| Clemson | 2.08 |
| Virginia | 2.02 |
| Miami FL | 2.00 |
| Georgia Tech | 1.98 |
| Notre Dame | 1.85 |
| Pittsburgh | 1.83 |
| North Carolina | 1.73 |
| Boston College | 1.71 |
| Florida St. | 1.64 |
| N.C. State | 1.37 |
| Duke | 1.09 |
– The experience value is in terms of years of college experience where a player’s eligibility class is assumed to determine this. For the purposes of the calculation, a freshman has zero years of experience, a sophomore has one year of experience, etc.
– Like the average height calculation, the experience calculation weights the experience of each player on the roster based on minutes played. Players that have played less than 10% of their team’s minutes are not included.
Experience together
KenPom also measures "continuity", which is a bit more complicated: https://kenpom.com/blog/measuring-continuity/Pitt ranks last in the ACC in continuity and near the bottom in the country:
| Continuity | Continuity Nat’l Rank | |
| Notre Dame | 71.3 | 39 |
| North Carolina | 60.7 | 88 |
| Virginia Tech | 59.8 | 97 |
| Georgia Tech | 52.6 | 148 |
| Clemson | 48.7 | 180 |
| N.C. State | 43.8 | 213 |
| Duke | 40.0 | 237 |
| Miami FL | 39.9 | 238 |
| Florida St. | 39.6 | 239 |
| Virginia | 36.9 | 260 |
| Syracuse | 34.2 | 271 |
| Wake Forest | 33.4 | 278 |
| Boston College | 31.6 | 289 |
| Louisville | 28.6 | 305 |
| Pittsburgh | 23.4 | 323 |
He failed at Oklahoma. His teams will always find a way to lose SEVERAL more games than they should every year. It's who his teams are. This isn't a 4 year sample size based only on what he's done at Pitt. It's his entire career.
he hasn't been at OU in over 10 years. Been at Pitt for 4 years.
Where was he the other 6-7 years?
Coaching as an assistant at Duke. When he filled in as an interim, team chemistry went to hell in a handbasket. Duke played like crap, went 3-3 and K came back a couple of weeks earlier than originally planned.
correct me if I'm wrong but his dad was diagnosed with ALS during his interim HC'ing?
I don't know.
His record as interim was 4-3.
Reviewing Jeff Capel's run as Duke's interim head coach
Hall of Fame coach Mike Krzyzewski will make his return to the bench Saturday in Duke's game against Pitt, right on schedule - four weeks after having back surgery.It has been a bumpy ride for the Blue Devils to say the least under interim head coach Jeff Capel, as the team went 4-3 during his...
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Capel is the perfect example of a coaching hire made for all the wrong reasons. You hire a coach because of what he has accomplished in his career and not because of his “branding” in this case the shiny Duke reputation burnished by Coach K. Duke sold Pitt a bill of goods when Pitt hired Capel (his departure made naming coach K’s successor much easier), and while Lyke may have won the PR battle when she hired Capel, she lost the war insofar as she failed to procure a proven head coach who had succeeded on his own merit.
Capel has failed at every component of coaching in his 4 year tenure: recruiting and roster management, game day coaching, and molding a collection of players into a cohesive team.
Stability for the sake of stability is senseless. It is time to cut our losses and hire a good coach.
Capel has failed at every component of coaching in his 4 year tenure: recruiting and roster management, game day coaching, and molding a collection of players into a cohesive team.
Stability for the sake of stability is senseless. It is time to cut our losses and hire a good coach.
Pitt needs to hire a coach who HAS to win and is moving up the ladder. Someone who has proven themselves by turning around a program at a lower level. A HC that is relentless and does not make excuses. The complete opposite of Stallings and Capel.
gotcha. you said proven HC so KS was the first one that popped into my head.. we ran him out of here. Or he ran himself out of here?
Jeff had some success at VCU as well as OU. Coached with K for 7 years. IDK that's a pretty damn good resume. Pitt isn't pulling guys much better.
Medved, Linder, Jans, DeVries, Valentine, Golden, Boals, Gates, etc… would all be a significant upgrade.
Medved - yes
Valentine - been a HC for 5 minutes and took over a machine
Gates - 3rd season, how can we be sure he can coach and didn't get lucky on some players
Jans - coaches a MM machine and has never coached east of the Mississippi except 1 year at BGSU and then he weirdly left to take an assistant job at Wichita State
Boals - classic MAC lottery ticket
DeVries - done well at 3 years in Drake. If we go with an Iowa MM coach though, I'd go with Ben Jacobson who has been consistently good for a long time.
Golden - 3rd season as a HC. See Gates. Track record isnt long enough
No guarantees here except Medved and honestly, I feel its possible all could be worse than Capel, except Medved.
He would be a complete flop.
Oklahoma had equal or superior resources to the rest of the Big 12 and he failed. What makes you think he would succeed at Colorado St, Wyoming, Ohio, Cleveland St, etc?
Who cares? We need a good coach. Some of those guys (or others) may be successful here, others may not be.
But things really can’t get much worse here. So you have to go with something new that at least gives you the chance to be successful instead of bashing your head against the wall hoping Capel magically turns into a good P6 coach. When he has a pretty proven track record that he’s not.
because I'm curious to see what this guy is thinking. The idea Capel would flop at one of those schools is totally negative agenda driven. nothing else.
His name brand/rep would likely allow him to do well in a lower conference or an HCBU which is where he should be next season, unless he just wants to hang out in his NC beach house and occasionally go on ACCN.
What exactly does Capel do well other than make excuses as to why he can’t recruit and win at Pitt?
Identifies talent and would likely be able to land a higher caliber prospect than most of those schools can regularly get because of his rep/brand/Duke connection/etc
Honestly he probably woulda killed it here recruiting too if he picked a staff that showed he was actually trying
Jamie had some pipelines, but when the well was dry, he couldn't recruit. Stallings couldn't recruit here. Capel is finding how tough it is to recruit here. Do you really think Capel isn't good at recruiting? really? or do you think it has to do with our program? I mean seriously.. do you really think these lower D1 guys are going to recruit better than him?
Capel can’t recruit here for a couple reasons:
A.) His staff sucks and does nothing
B.) He didn’t identify where they actually stood with kids, didn’t take committments from players who would be good players here, always put all the eggs in the baskets of the big fish
Do I think a mid major coach would come in and land Top 15 classes?
Nope. Do I think literally any coach could come in, hire recruiters with connections, and then recruit kids with some type of identity/system in mind?
Yes.
See right there. You are either have been spoofing all along, or you know you lost the debate and now are just self deprecating.
He can't recruit first and foremost because most people feel he will not be here next year and he is dead man walking. That is the biggest thing now.
