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Henry Coleman story

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Shows how quickly things been change. Land Coleman and the UCF big you mentioned (not sure what kind of connection we have to him) and things start looking pretty good.
 
Any chance we can land him and/or Bagley? Seems to be the strongest relationships with Capel
 
This is the dumbest of takes ever
Nah. He was a really good coach once. Back when he had time to develop kids. Then Cal changed the game with one and dones and he exploited loopholes in recruiting as the USA national team coach and decided to just assemble as much talent as possible and let them play.

not sure how that is a “take”. He stopped coaching about 2015.
 
Nah. He was a really good coach once. Back when he had time to develop kids. Then Cal changed the game with one and dones and he exploited loopholes in recruiting as the USA national team coach and decided to just assemble as much talent as possible and let them play.

not sure how that is a “take”. He stopped coaching about 2015.

I wouldn’t go as far as to say he’s no longer a good coach, but you’re exactly right about him changing his approach and using USA Basketball as his in with the best players. To be honest, I question how much he actually enjoys it anymore. I don’t think this is how he would choose to run a program but he’s a servant to the monster that he built down there and the only way to keep it rolling is to keep bringing in the one and done types.
 
I wouldn’t go as far as to say he’s no longer a good coach, but you’re exactly right about him changing his approach and using USA Basketball as his in with the best players. To be honest, I question how much he actually enjoys it anymore. I don’t think this is how he would choose to run a program but he’s a servant to the monster that he built down there and the only way to keep it rolling is to keep bringing in the one and done types.
Ok that’s a better way to put it
 
So you can’t get elite players to come to your school your a horrible coach that needs fired aka JC , and your washed up if you can get elite players , but don’t win the national championship every yr aka CK .

Just like the new transfer rules changing the landscape of college bb so have the the ones and dones . Not participating in these avenues of recruiting will only negatively affect your programs chance of success . Relying on first yr kids rapidly adjusting and excelling is much more a crap shoot than developing teams over a 4 yr period .

A great coach oversees his assistants doing the nuts and bolts of everyday coaching he sets the tone and strategy. . I doubt that Coach K is any less a capable coach today as he was 10 or 20 yrs ago .
 
So you can’t get elite players to come to your school your a horrible coach that needs fired aka JC , and your washed up if you can get elite players , but don’t win the national championship every yr aka CK .

Just like the new transfer rules changing the landscape of college bb so have the the ones and dones . Not participating in these avenues of recruiting will only negatively affect your programs chance of success . Relying on first yr kids rapidly adjusting and excelling is much more a crap shoot than developing teams over a 4 yr period .

A great coach oversees his assistants doing the nuts and bolts of everyday coaching he sets the tone and strategy. . I doubt that Coach K is any less a capable coach today as he was 10 or 20 yrs ago .
What are you babbling about? JC shouldn’t be fired he gets 5-6 years easy. And Henry Coleman stinks. There’s nothing in any of those posts suggesting this is a loss.

And no, you’re washed up when you have The top 3 recruits in the country (Zion, Cam and RJ) and a 4th top 10 and you lose in the elite 8. Every year his teams look disjointed and unorganized. Do you watch Duke basketball and think they look well coached at any time in the last 5 years?
 
He’s gone. Who cares who coach K took? He’s not a good evaluator, developer or coach. It’s why he tried to take only top 10 kids
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2 for 26? Sorry couldn't resist.
Same old story. Generally the most desirable players in the portal want to go to programs that offer both minutes and the opportunity to get somewhere in March. The rest choose their programs strictly on potential PT. Pitt is a bottom feeder P5 program that is really not competing for the difference-making transfers. More like chumming in the warm bodies pool within the portal. Mostly middling players from middling mid-majors that want a shot to play P5.
 
Yes? When was the last time Duke took a kid outside of the top 30 that was a good player for them?

I went back 10 years and the best I can see is Jordan Goldwire.

I’m not trying to be argumentative. I just don’t think “Coach K took him” is a good enough reason when he didn’t play him. It isn’t a huge loss for Pitt, doesn’t reflect at all on JC or Milan and won’t matter in the long run. They need better players than Henry Coleman is my point.
 
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What are you babbling about? JC shouldn’t be fired he gets 5-6 years easy. And Henry Coleman stinks. There’s nothing in any of those posts suggesting this is a loss.

And no, you’re washed up when you have The top 3 recruits in the country (Zion, Cam and RJ) and a 4th top 10 and you lose in the elite 8. Every year his teams look disjointed and unorganized. Do you watch Duke basketball and think they look well coached at any time in the last 5 years?
I think if JC cant find a way to build a winning program at Pitt playing around .500 ball in conference after 6 yrs then Pitt needs to move on .

I’ve watched enough Duke Bb wishing that it was Pitt bb .

If every team that had superior talent always won why would anyone bother to watch ?

Relying on freshman no matter how talented is iffy even if one is named Zion . Look at Kentucky is Cal washed up too ?

Don’t really care about Coleman , Pitt isn’t in the conversation for highly sought after transfers .
 
Yes? When was the last time Duke took a kid outside of the top 30 that was a good player for them?

I went back 10 years and the best I can see is Jordan Goldwire.

I’m not trying to be argumentative. I just don’t think “Coach K took him” is a good enough reason when he didn’t play him. It isn’t a huge loss for Pitt, doesn’t reflect at all on JC or Milan and won’t matter in the long run. They need better players than Henry Coleman is my point.
I don't know what kind of player Coleman is, I'll take your word for it that he isn't Pitt material. The threshold for Pitt material these days is having a pulse and being able to fog a mirror, so he must really suck.

I'm only taking issue with your statement about Coach K. I have also read your subsequent explanations of your original statement about K, and while I get your point, I don't completely agree with you on the issue. History will judge Coach K as an all-time great one. No need for further debate about it.
 
I don't know what kind of player Coleman is, I'll take your word for it that he isn't Pitt material. The threshold for Pitt material these days is having a pulse and being able to fog a mirror, so he must really suck.

I'm only taking issue with your statement about Coach K. I have also read your subsequent explanations of your original statement about K, and while I get your point, I don't completely agree with you on the issue. History will judge Coach K as an all-time great one. No need for further debate about it.
Absolutely. Probably the best of all time. I think his in game coaching, development and everything other than recruiting has slipped in the past few years. And the point about Cal in this thread is a valid one. Where it seems K has let the players go too much, Cal continues to run an antiquated system that slows down his players. I think both need to switch it up at this point.

But the main point is, I wouldn’t take a kid not ranked in the top 30 just because K took him. I don’t think he’s all that good at evaluating or developing talent anymore. Just my opinion
 
Absolutely. Probably the best of all time. I think his in game coaching, development and everything other than recruiting has slipped in the past few years. And the point about Cal in this thread is a valid one. Where it seems K has let the players go too much, Cal continues to run an antiquated system that slows down his players. I think both need to switch it up at this point.

But the main point is, I wouldn’t take a kid not ranked in the top 30 just because K took him. I don’t think he’s all that good at evaluating or developing talent anymore. Just my opinion
He won the acct 2 years ago and went to the elite 8
If that’s slipping sign me up
 
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He won the acct 2 years ago and went to the elite 8
If that’s slipping sign me up
Agree, but we’re Pitt fans. Any year they’re not in the FF is considered by the Duke faithful to be disappointing due to the standards Coach K created for that program.

Really weird year for both Duke and UNC to be so bad. Only the 2nd time in the past 38 years that K hasn’t taken his team to the NCAAT. The fact that he’s been at Duke for 40’yeads and made the tournament 36 times is just amazing.
 
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Why not give him a decade or two?
Well if he had a guaranteed contract for 22 yrs then maybe I’d give him 20 yrs .( 10 I’d give 8 ) .

Of course you could always write the check if you want him gone sooner , I know Pitts not .
 
How is it that Duke practices are closed to the media but not certain members of this board?
 
I wouldn’t go as far as to say he’s no longer a good coach, but you’re exactly right about him changing his approach and using USA Basketball as his in with the best players. To be honest, I question how much he actually enjoys it anymore. I don’t think this is how he would choose to run a program but he’s a servant to the monster that he built down there and the only way to keep it rolling is to keep bringing in the one and done types.

He sure made it obvious he had no interest in actually going through with this past season, and it definitely showed.
 
He sure made it obvious he had no interest in actually going through with this past season, and it definitely showed.
This past season was difficult on everyone . The Duke woman canceled their season and at 74 yrs old catching Covid wasn’t a very good idea . The only reason he continues to coach is because he obviously wants to , it’s certainly not about the money .

No one at that age has the same amount of energy of a man 20/30yrs younger , he needs to delegate and work smarter than his fellow coaches .

One must change with the times if you want to stay at the top . One and dones and now the transfer mess either adapt or retire if you don’t want to become irrelevant.

Kentucky which is the program most resembling Duke last won the national championship in 2012 as compared to Duke in 2015 not to mention 2010 etc .

There are no more UCLA’s .
 
He sure made it obvious he had no interest in actually going through with this past season, and it definitely showed.

This year took the wind out of the sails of a lot of guys, but he certainly wasn’t shy about his thoughts.

I just don’t think he really enjoys the way he has to operate right now. If he had his pick he’d be recruiting a lot more guys like Jaylen Blakes, who is a central casting Duke player, versus the Zion/Reddish/Barrett types. Like I said, I don’t think it’s so much that he isn’t a great coach anymore, but he’s constantly forced to compromise how I believe he’d like to build/coach a team in order to shoehorn in one-and-done kids and adjust year to year.
 
Nah. He was a really good coach once. Back when he had time to develop kids. Then Cal changed the game with one and dones and he exploited loopholes in recruiting as the USA national team coach and decided to just assemble as much talent as possible and let them play.

not sure how that is a “take”. He stopped coaching about 2015.
Actually, Krzyzewski's recruiting hasn't changed. He was pursuing, and signing, the same sorts of players 25 and 30 years ago. The difference now is that they leave. Guys like Christian Laettner and Grant Hill stayed around for four years. It wasn't until after Duke's loss in the NCAAT Final to Connecticut in '99 that Elton Brand, William Avery, and Cory Maggette all turned pro early, and only Maggette was a OAD. They were Krzyzewski's first early departures, and I am skeptical that he anticipated that when he recruited them. He's still recruiting, successfully, the same kinds of players he has since that Alarie, Bilas, Dawkins, and Henderson class in '82. Now, those sorts of players just leave early.
 
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