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Here’s an interesting idea - recruiting

I have a cousin who lived in Philly and was somewhat connected to the basketball scene there. Said it was somewhat common knowledge that shenanigans went into them getting Carr and the other guy from Roman.


I live in the Philly suburbs. Chambers is a native of Philadelphia.
He played his college ball here, and he was an assistant at a
few Philly colleges (Villanova included).

"Shenanigans??" ....LOL. There's always shenanigans of one
sort of another depending on who's narrative it is. Either way,
with his background here, it's obvious that he has deep rooted
connections to the Philly bball scene. It's no great surprise that
he was able to start somewhat of a a pipeline from Philly to PSU.
 
Because anytime someone recruits well they paid.

But when other fan bases think the same about Pitt (Toney/McGowens) its because we have the greatest recruiters and so much to offer.

The Pantherlair way

Do you honestly believe that that Stevens and Carr went to PSU for free. A respected poster said they got $40K each. Now, I'm not basing my belief based that. I didn't need that. Chambers was losing a ton and on his way out. Dixon had 2 1 seeds in 3 years and was getting all kinds of kids out of Philly/NJ and those 2 pick PSU over Pitt. Nova, Indiana, etc? Sorry, but no. Chambers pulled a Nick Nolte.
 
No idea. Don’t know him or the family at all. Just reading tea leaves based on other offers.

His super quick decommitment was really surprising. Not the fact he decommitmed since Pitt is now 0-4 in landing young "committed" local players. I posted that at the time that our track record of signing local players that committed early was dismal. But to go fr him and his mom reaping more praise on Capel then I think I've ever heard a player and family say about any Pitt coach and then decommitting a few weeks later was just super super odd
 
Do you honestly believe that that Stevens and Carr went to PSU for free. A respected poster said they got $40K each. Now, I'm not basing my belief based that. I didn't need that. Chambers was losing a ton and on his way out. Dixon had 2 1 seeds in 3 years and was getting all kinds of kids out of Philly/NJ and those 2 pick PSU over Pitt. Nova, Indiana, etc? Sorry, but no. Chambers pulled a Nick Nolte.
1. he pulled a trio of kids from there. 1 wasn’t even D1 early. Maybe they packaged all 3 together.
2. The market is not high for kids ranked between 75-200. People aren’t tripping over themselves to pay kids in that area.
3. Then how do you explain we out recruited Buzz and his bevy or recruiting aces he had on staff for Trey and Toney given where the programs were? You can’t. Because we haven’t had nearly that same success since. So it’s just as easy to throw around suggestions of buying players.

It’s a tired, old argument and excuse on this website for not getting kids. Do players get purchased? Sure. Guys that are getting paid any sort of real money aren’t in the 75-200 range though.
 
Do you honestly believe that that Stevens and Carr went to PSU for free. A respected poster said they got $40K each. Now, I'm not basing my belief based that. I didn't need that. Chambers was losing a ton and on his way out. Dixon had 2 1 seeds in 3 years and was getting all kinds of kids out of Philly/NJ and those 2 pick PSU over Pitt. Nova, Indiana, etc? Sorry, but no. Chambers pulled a Nick Nolte.


Geeze, just when I said I found myself agreeing with you.

Look, maybe Carr and others were paid, or
there were other inducements. The point is
you don't know if they were or were not. Yes,
it does happen. Sometimes it's not even the
coach or coaching staff. (Golden Panthers ring
a bell for anyone here?)
If the best you can do is......"a respected poster
said", you have nothing. If you did have something
you wouldn't be even posting it on a forum like
this.

The best I can see here is, he's a Philly native and he
somehow was able to get recruiting ratcheted up
between there and PSU. Once again play for pay
does exist. Did it here? Unless you know for sure
don't post like it's a definite.
 
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I'm almost going on the assumption that they will be working with 3 ships when it's all said and done, as it appears Nike will be eligible. I'm guessing there will be someone transferring out, at this point, Drumgoole is the most likely candidate. Ideally they get Reid, a PG, and a shooter
We need shooters so bad. Iowa is a perfect example of this. They can come back on anyone and stretch the floor so much. They aren’t great athletes but they can light it up. Who knows what Hortons problems are but we still need more than Toney and X when he is hot that can hit 3 pointers.
 
Do you honestly believe that that Stevens and Carr went to PSU for free. A respected poster said they got $40K each. Now, I'm not basing my belief based that. I didn't need that. Chambers was losing a ton and on his way out. Dixon had 2 1 seeds in 3 years and was getting all kinds of kids out of Philly/NJ and those 2 pick PSU over Pitt. Nova, Indiana, etc? Sorry, but no. Chambers pulled a Nick Nolte.
40k? That’s not much.
 
1. he pulled a trio of kids from there. 1 wasn’t even D1 early. Maybe they packaged all 3 together.
2. The market is not high for kids ranked between 75-200. People aren’t tripping over themselves to pay kids in that area.
3. Then how do you explain we out recruited Buzz and his bevy or recruiting aces he had on staff for Trey and Toney given where the programs were? You can’t. Because we haven’t had nearly that same success since. So it’s just as easy to throw around suggestions of buying players.

It’s a tired, old argument and excuse on this website for not getting kids. Do players get purchased? Sure. Guys that are getting paid any sort of real money aren’t in the 75-200 range though.
Simple answer. Our assistant coaches have few connections and haven’t been primary recruiters for a very long time. Remember they had previous stints as head coaches. We could be handing out money but without aggressive primary recruiters on staff you won’t land the top 50-75 guys often unless you have a connection like with Jeffress who really wanted to come to Pitt.
 
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The Duke job???? He is so far from the Duke job I doubt he's even thinking about it at this point.

He's going to think about it for the rest of his life, regardless of how likely it is now or will ever be.

I'm not saying it's likely at this point. I'm more critical of the guy than most on here. I'm just saying Coach K isn't hasn't announced any retirement plan, so anything could happen between now and then.

Coach K is 73 and Capel is only 45. Even if they hire a guy soon, there's nothing saying Capel still couldn't be considered a decade or two from now. UNC had 4 coaches in 8 years not that long ago.
 
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His super quick decommitment was really surprising. Not the fact he decommitmed since Pitt is now 0-4 in landing young "committed" local players. I posted that at the time that our track record of signing local players that committed early was dismal. But to go fr him and his mom reaping more praise on Capel then I think I've ever heard a player and family say about any Pitt coach and then decommitting a few weeks later was just super super odd
Anytime ANY of these kids who may have committed to a Pitt or a BC or a school like that. switches High Schools to a Monteverde or an IMG, you know you are in trouble. Because if they already had P5 offers and flipped on their high schools, you know people around him are whispering sweet Kentucky's and UNC's and Duke's and Kansas's in their ears.
 
I have absolutely no connections, but it seemed pretty clear when he decommited that he wanted to play for a better program.

I mean... that’s where Capel’s gotta do a better job of recruiting. Hood-Schifino/Jeffess/Hugley/Collier/Champagnie plus one of Schifino’s Top 50 buddies is a “top program” type team...

That’s why I’m so much more critical of Capel than Narduzzi. Football is hard, you need so much depth.

Basketball, a couple guys change the whole program.

And I thought we brought Capel here to get those “couple guys”. I know we weren’t going to recruit like Duke/UK but surrounding the Toneys and Champagnies with a true stud or 2.
 
I mean... that’s where Capel’s gotta do a better job of recruiting. Hood-Schifino/Jeffess/Hugley/Collier/Champagnie plus one of Schifino’s Top 50 buddies is a “top program” type team...

That’s why I’m so much more critical of Capel than Narduzzi. Football is hard, you need so much depth.

Basketball, a couple guys change the whole program.

And I thought we brought Capel here to get those “couple guys”. I know we weren’t going to recruit like Duke/UK but surrounding the Toneys and Champagnies with a true stud or 2.
Antigua or BK would’ve opened doors to get studs by now
 
I mean... that’s where Capel’s gotta do a better job of recruiting. Hood-Schifino/Jeffess/Hugley/Collier/Champagnie plus one of Schifino’s Top 50 buddies is a “top program” type team...

That’s why I’m so much more critical of Capel than Narduzzi. Football is hard, you need so much depth.

Basketball, a couple guys change the whole program.

And I thought we brought Capel here to get those “couple guys”. I know we weren’t going to recruit like Duke/UK but surrounding the Toneys and Champagnies with a true stud or 2.

That's why I had trouble seeing this as a massive rebuild. I get it, Pitt was awful with KS and took more than a step back. They fell down the stairs and cracked their head open. That said, we still aren't that far removed from being a consistent top 25 program.

Underwood turned Illinois around in 4 years. Not only turned them around, but put them as a top 10 team. The major player to get that turned around? Kofi Cockburn. A guy Pitt really wanted. If Kofi is on this team, we are a top 25 team no question.

that's all it takes. You land Efton Reid next year, and who knows what happens. I agree though, all you need is one or two studs to turn a program around.
 
That's why I had trouble seeing this as a massive rebuild. I get it, Pitt was awful with KS and took more than a step back. They fell down the stairs and cracked their head open. That said, we still aren't that far removed from being a consistent top 25 program.

Underwood turned Illinois around in 4 years. Not only turned them around, but put them as a top 10 team. The major player to get that turned around? Kofi Cockburn. A guy Pitt really wanted. If Kofi is on this team, we are a top 25 team no question.

that's all it takes. You land Efton Reid next year, and who knows what happens. I agree though, all you need is one or two studs to turn a program around.
This is extremely true and why the BS I’ve been fed for 3 years about how “what stallings left him was a mess” “give him time” we’re just that. Bullshit. A coach’s dream to be able to turn over a roster with no expectations for 3 years!!!
 
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This is extremely true and why the BS I’ve been fed for 3 years about how “what stallings left him was a mess” “give him time” we’re just that. Bullshit. A coach’s dream to be able to turn over a roster with no expectations for 3 years!!!

Agreed. Also a lot easier when u can blame records on the old coach. Doesn’t really have that option from here on
 
I personally don’t think Capel is the shoe in for Duke that everyone thinks he is. But I have this feeling BK will be our next coach. He needs to get a HC job soon though
There was talk about him leaving for Duke after being 9-29 in the ACC! Who wouldn’t want that kind of job security!!!

Capel is closer to being fired than considered for the Duke HC job.

Why is it assumed a Duke guy will take over? Say coach K retires in a few years and things don't go well in Chi Town for Billy Donovan (for the record I think they'll go more than well - I love Donovan) and he's an option. Is it even a question who Duke would prefer? That's one example. I think Capel fits Pitt great. All of this Duke talk doesn't make any sense to me.
 
Capel is closer to being fired than considered for the Duke HC job.

Why is it assumed a Duke guy will take over? Say coach K retires in a few years and things don't go well in Chi Town for Billy Donovan (for the record I think they'll go more than well - I love Donovan) and he's an option. Is it even a question who Duke would prefer? That's one example. I think Capel fits Pitt great. All of this Duke talk doesn't make any sense to me.
I think Brad Stevens can name his job if he ever decides to coach college basketball and why wouldn’t duke want him
 
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I mean... that’s where Capel’s gotta do a better job of recruiting. Hood-Schifino/Jeffess/Hugley/Collier/Champagnie plus one of Schifino’s Top 50 buddies is a “top program” type team...

That’s why I’m so much more critical of Capel than Narduzzi. Football is hard, you need so much depth.

Basketball, a couple guys change the whole program.

And I thought we brought Capel here to get those “couple guys”. I know we weren’t going to recruit like Duke/UK but surrounding the Toneys and Champagnies with a true stud or 2.
In fairness, the other half of this sentiment is that we’re at the point as a program now where landing a stud guy like the ones you mentioned can put us over the top. But to get there, we hit on 3/3 guys in recruiting cycle one (with Trey transferring), hit on 2/3 guys in recruiting cycle two, and, while it’s too early to tell on recruiting cycle three, I think the hit rate will be pretty good there, too. Yeah, you don’t need as many guys to fill out a roster as you do for football, but you still need to build a roster around the studs, too, and we’ve done a pretty good job of that as much as the misses have hurt (and I think Wahab is the bigger miss versus Cockburn)
 
1. he pulled a trio of kids from there. 1 wasn’t even D1 early. Maybe they packaged all 3 together.
2. The market is not high for kids ranked between 75-200. People aren’t tripping over themselves to pay kids in that area.
3. Then how do you explain we out recruited Buzz and his bevy or recruiting aces he had on staff for Trey and Toney given where the programs were? You can’t. Because we haven’t had nearly that same success since. So it’s just as easy to throw around suggestions of buying players.

It’s a tired, old argument and excuse on this website for not getting kids. Do players get purchased? Sure. Guys that are getting paid any sort of real money aren’t in the 75-200 range though.

Carr was as high as Top 30 around the time he commited. Stevens was Top 50/75. 40K is about the market for those types.
 
Carr was as high as Top 30 around the time he commited. Stevens was Top 50/75. 40K is about the market for those types.
Carr was right around 50 when he committed; Stevens was right around 100. In other words, pretty close to what Jeffress and Hugley were ranked when they committed to us - and I don’t think we paid them. Whether Penn State had to pay a bit of a premium is another matter, and I have no idea whether they did or they didn’t. But I know Chambers was recruiting those two guys specifically from the time they were in the eighth grade, and was able to build enough credibility in Philadelphia through his Villanova connections, plus having success with Watkins, DJ Newbill (who got screwed by Buzz Williams) and Shep Garner that Carr and Stevens pulled the trigger.
 
Carr was right around 50 when he committed; Stevens was right around 100. In other words, pretty close to what Jeffress and Hugley were ranked when they committed to us - and I don’t think we paid them. Whether Penn State had to pay a bit of a premium is another matter, and I have no idea whether they did or they didn’t. But I know Chambers was recruiting those two guys specifically from the time they were in the eighth grade, and was able to build enough credibility in Philadelphia through his Villanova connections, plus having success with Watkins, DJ Newbill (who got screwed by Buzz Williams) and Shep Garner that Carr and Stevens pulled the trigger.
Yeah not only is he way off on their rankings, but that ain’t the going rate for any top kids. It’s way off actually
 
Carr was right around 50 when he committed; Stevens was right around 100. In other words, pretty close to what Jeffress and Hugley were ranked when they committed to us - and I don’t think we paid them. Whether Penn State had to pay a bit of a premium is another matter, and I have no idea whether they did or they didn’t. But I know Chambers was recruiting those two guys specifically from the time they were in the eighth grade, and was able to build enough credibility in Philadelphia through his Villanova connections, plus having success with Watkins, DJ Newbill (who got screwed by Buzz Williams) and Shep Garner that Carr and Stevens pulled the trigger.
Fran Dunphy, the coach at Temple at the time put out a few comments on Chambers recruiting of these three men. It could have just been sour grapes. I don't recall the exact comments,but, he clearly indicated that he thought Chambers was up to no good.
 
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Antigua or BK would’ve opened doors to get studs by now
Antigua ran into a little trouble following the rules and as far as BK goes it wasn’t exactly like he was bringing in studs to Pitt while he was here . I also,doubt that he wanted to stay at Pitt once JC got the job .

Everyone wants these kids and thinking that JC is failing in recruiting it is wise to remember where this program has been and without active boosters( aka a bagman ) with deep pockets there’s a lot of schools that are more attractive to go than Pitt .
 
Antigua ran into a little trouble following the rules and as far as BK goes it wasn’t exactly like he was bringing in studs to Pitt while he was here . I also,doubt that he wanted to stay at Pitt once JC got the job .

Everyone wants these kids and thinking that JC is failing in recruiting it is wise to remember where this program has been and without active boosters( aka a bagman ) with deep pockets there’s a lot of schools that are more attractive to go than Pitt .
Lol and there it is! Everyone else is cheating!!!

both of those guys actually have connections unlike anyone we have on staff.

I’m being serious when I say this, would you let capel bang your wife?
 
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