How can you be mad at a kid for choosing Notre Dame?

[usf2pitt]

What respectable parent would have an issue with their child getting a free ride to Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Stanford or the like? Would love to see him play for PITT- another fantastic university-- but the anger and venom on this board directed at this young man is nitter-like madness. I wish him all the best; he made what he feels is the best choice for him.-- I would tell my son to take the scholly too. HTP

Now Robert Foster on the other hand.... Lol. All the best to him too.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

I would not be happy if my son played for Kelly. His character is questionable to say the least.

 

[Mikefln]

Wow, someone with an objective (and correct) point-of-view...Excellent post!

Going to ND I agree with the OP, going to play for Brian Kelly, I would not be happy one bit even at a great university like ND. I feel the same way about Harbaugh when he was at Stanford and now Michigan.

 

[pittzap]

Going to ND I agree with the OP, going to play for Brian Kelly, I would not be happy one bit even at a great university like ND. I feel the same way about Harbaugh when he was at Stanford and now Michigan.

Especially with the amount of time he has spend at Pitt and with Narduzzi. Kelly's a complete d!ck, and many ND fans can't stand him. I would love for my kid to go to ND to play football, but not with Kelly and not if he is a defensive player.

ND wasn't even in the mix until recently and he visits durung a game when Kelly was screaming at the DC on the sidelines; also, there has been talk about how poor their defense is this year and potentially getting rid of their DC. It just seems fishy how it went down. Not in the sense of them getting paid off, but in his quick decision from no interest to interest to a visit to a verbal a couple days after.

 

[thebadby2]

What respectable parent would have an issue with their child getting a free ride to Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Stanford or the like? Would love to see him play for PITT- another fantastic university-- but the anger and venom on this board directed at this young man is nitter-like madness. I wish him all the best; he made what he feels is the best choice for him.-- I would tell my son to take the scholly too. HTP

Now Robert Foster on the other hand.... Lol. All the best to him too.

I hate U. of Michigan with a passion, and I'm a MSU fan along with Pitt, but living here in Michigan my wife and I are hoping like hell that our elementary-age daughters both eventually get accepted at Michigan and choose to go there, as it is a world-class education and degree that is very affordable for in-state kids. If I had a son who played football I would be ecstatic for him to play at a Michigan or ND given the blend of academic and athletic excellence.

 

[usf2pitt]

It is a fair point to say that Kelly is not somebody that I would want my son to play for....

 

[yourhired]

If you look back at the number of kids who chose ND over Pitt from here I can think of at leas threet Joe Felitsky, Donnie Grimm, Damon Walls, I believe there was some lineman who was here that went to ND so Mr.Jeter isn't the first and isn't the last. Can we all move along

 

[Delpanther]

Because ND sucks- you didn't get that memo as a Pitt fan?

 

[88Pitt88]

Because ND sucks- you didn't get that memo as a Pitt fan?

Furthermore, I hope all those local recruits get to enjoy more 8-5, and 9-4 seasons under the doucher Kelly. May they never sniff a final 4 berth while they are there as well. ND sucks, and continues to live off past tradtion, but over the years, tradition fades unless it can be rekindled. Kelly will not be the man to get it refired!

 

[daminals76]

Because I am a Pitt fan?? Lol what kind of stupid question/thread is this?

 

[CrazyPaco]

I hate U. of Michigan with a passion, and I'm a MSU fan along with Pitt, but living here in Michigan my wife and I are hoping like hell that our elementary-age daughters both eventually get accepted at Michigan and choose to go there, as it is a world-class education and degree that is very affordable for in-state kids. If I had a son who played football I would be ecstatic for him to play at a Michigan or ND given the blend of academic and athletic excellence.

This is what kills me about Pitt's undergrad US News ranking not matching its research grad rankings. Pitt is right there with Michigans and UNC's in research. It's not like faculty aren't the same and undergrads don't have access to these labs and researchers. That's been a major emphasis at Pitt well before it was trendy. There is a disconnect in perception with Pitt, and it shouldn't be that way. There is no reason Pitt shouldn't be considered, and couldn't be, a top 40 institution for undergrad. The current administration has some work to do.

 

[GT74]

It is a fair point to say that Kelly is not somebody that I would want my son to play for....

Totally agree. Easy to see why.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

I reiterate that the school is fine but the coach is a major arse

 

[mbe 34]

Of course he chose ND. It's superior in every quantitative and qualitative manner.

Notre Dame was never a great "academic" school. It is a football institution trying to relive its past glory. Is there any other school that identifies with an ethic group so strongly?

As an American with a strong Irish -Catholic background I find Notre Dame and its fans to be an embarrassment. Almost as bad as the Ped State cultists.

 

[bwh05]

It's not the 1980's. They're not the football school they once were and everyone is on TV now.

 

[Piranha]

I hate U. of Michigan with a passion, and I'm a MSU fan along with Pitt, but living here in Michigan my wife and I are hoping like hell that our elementary-age daughters both eventually get accepted at Michigan and choose to go there, as it is a world-class education and degree that is very affordable for in-state kids. If I had a son who played football I would be ecstatic for him to play at a Michigan or ND given the blend of academic and athletic excellence.

MSU is a very good school as well. It would depend on their majors.

 

[cbpitt2]

Notre Dame was never a great "academic" school. It is a football institution trying to relive its past glory. Is there any other school that identifies with an ethic group so strongly?

As an American with a strong Irish -Catholic background I find Notre Dame and its fans to be an embarrassment. Almost as bad as the Ped State cultists.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

You might want to look at which school is ranked 15th nationally and compare it to where Pitt is ranked. Paco had posted this a little while ago.

 

[SMSMHSHCCND]

I am not understanding where anyone would have an issue with their son playing for Kelly.

So you have seen him get really upset on the sideline before - so has Narduzzi, Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer, and many other coaches. Seeing him pissed off, which is nothing compared to Saban's melt-downs, is not a good enough reason to bash the man.

Don't give me the Declan Sullivan issue. Tragic that it happened, but if you really think the head coach at the University of Notre Dame handles the student videographer, you are a damn fool.

Kelly is actually very respected by his players. As posted in the recent Jeter thread by another poster speaking about Kelly from personal knowledge.

People are too quick to point fingers/assume.

 

[CrazyPaco]

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

You might want to look at which school is ranked 15th nationally and compare it to where Pitt is ranked. Paco had posted this a little while ago.

ND has been a great undergrad institution for a long time. There is no debating that.

 

[mbe 34]

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

You might want to look at which school is ranked 15th nationally and compare it to where Pitt is ranked. Paco had posted this a little while ago.

Pitt is ranked fine. And there are a number of rating systems. You picked one that favors you.
Your school is known for drunks who puke in the stands.
And you know that's the truth.
Footballs a lot of fun - but tards like and the Peds make it a lifestyle.

 

[CrazyPaco]

Pitt is ranked fine. And there are a number of rating systems. You picked one that favors you.
Your school is known for drunks who puke in the stands.
And you know that's the truth.
Footballs a lot of fun - but tards like and the Peds make it a lifestyle.

There isn't an undergrad-focused rating that exists that favors Pitt over ND, and there is really only one that people really pay attention to and Pitt's ranking in that one is not adequate compared to where its graduate programs are ranked. All the rankings that Pitt does well in account for graduate education and research. ND doesn't have substantial research graduate programs. The schools have very different missions.

Pitt has a lot of advantages, including for undergrads wanting to go into the health sciences which is Pitt's major forte, and I certainly wouldn't recommend ND over Pitt for those students. The reality in the halls of the Ivies, where Ivy bias is real on their grad school admission committees and in their alumni networks, a degree from ND isn't really worth more than one from Pitt at least in scientific fields, but another reality is that the average ND freshman has an SAT score 170 points higher than a Pitt freshman.

Better to talk about what a hole the town of South Bend is to live in for 4 years and how limited in quality their coeds are.

 

[mvk112]

Furthermore, I hope all those local recruits get to enjoy more 8-5, and 9-4 seasons under the doucher Kelly. May they never sniff a final 4 berth while they are there as well. ND sucks, and continues to live off past tradtion, but over the years, tradition fades unless it can be rekindled. Kelly will not be the man to get it refired!

Rekindled like playing for a national championship maybe?

 

[Piranha]

Rekindled like playing for a national championship maybe?

Was that the year the official who had connections to ND screwed Pitt on the PI call, and Stanford got hosed as well? Or were those separate years.

David Shaw and Stanford have been far superior under more challenging conditions.

 

[mvk112]

Was that the year the official who had connections to ND screwed Pitt on the PI call, and Stanford got hosed as well? Or were those separate years.

David Shaw and Stanford have been far superior under more challenging conditions.

Blaming referees is the battle cry of losers. It's what PSU always does, it's what the Bengals always do, it's what teams that lose to Duke in basketball do...

If you really think referees are helping college football teams for some reason, you probably need to step away from sports for awhile.

 

[Safety Blitz]

I would not be happy if my son played for Kelly. His character is questionable to say the least.

I'm not a fan of Mr. Kelly, but I don't know him and have no basis to seriously question his character.
What I do know is year after year he has a full roster of relatively bright players -- bright enough to meet the entrance requirements. I'm guessing if there were serious character issues, we would be hearing about it and he would have serious difficulty recruiting these high level prospects -- who all have other options.
As stated in another post, the lone recent ND player I have spoken with loved playing for the man.

 

[Piranha]

I'm not a fan of Mr. Kelly, but I don't know him and have no basis to seriously question his character.
What I do know is year after year he has a full roster of relatively bright players -- bright enough to meet the entrance requirements. I'm guessing if there were serious character issues, we would be hearing about it and he would have serious difficulty recruiting these high level prospects -- who all have other options.
As stated in another post, the lone recent ND player I have spoken with loved playing for the man.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbna.../20/12566248/notre-dame-arrests?client=safari

Sort of like these guys, right?

 

[Safety Blitz]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbna.../20/12566248/notre-dame-arrests?client=safari

Sort of like these guys, right?

The topic, I believe, was the character of Mr. Kelly.
Not sure where the tagged story fits into that conversation.
That said, I'll challenge you to point out a school that has 120 choir boys on its roster. The Academies may come close.

 

[Piranha]

The topic, I believe, was the character of Mr. Kelly.
Not sure where the tagged story fits into that conversation.
That said, I'll challenge you to point out a school that has 120 choir boys on its roster. The Academies may come close.

I would not call these guys relatively bright. Those were your words, not mine. I agree - ND is no better than FL, LSU, Bama, OSU, or any other football school that is hell bent on winning. Winning is the bottom line. The holier than thou. We do it the right way is BS.

 

[#99HUGHgreen]

Sure, ND is a fine institution, and the fans are really quite pleasant, but, hello, we are Pitt fans (presumably) on a Pitt football board. Hey, the University of Pittsburgh is also a fine institution located in one of the friendliest cities in the US... and it's the only one of the two schools where you can get a Primanti's sandwich when you're hungry late at night.

So for all of you high school football players reading these boards who were offered a scholarship at both universities, it's really this simple, "NOTRE DAME IS LAME and PITT IS IT!"

 

[steel_curtain]

Goodness, what happened here. This thread has turned into a "Reasons to go to ND (or some other school) over Pitt."

Sure, ND is a fine institution, and the fans are really quite pleasant, but, hello, we are Pitt fans (presumably) on a Pitt football board. Hey, the University of Pittsburgh is also a fine institution located in one of the friendliest cities in the US... and it's the only one of the two schools where you can get a Primanti's sandwich when you're hungry late at night.

So for all of you high school football players reading these boards who were offered a scholarship at both universities, it's really this simple, "NOTRE DAME IS LAME and PITT IS IT!"

-Some of these people are not Pitt fans, that is blatantly obvious. The safety guy sounds like a pissed off parent and his kid is Notre Dame bound. I want Notre Dame to lose every game until Maniac Kelly is fired. Ive got that enjoyment twice already under Kelly's failure of a head coach this season and we are only 3 weeks deep. Kelly's good for another 3 losses this year with that soft as a flower defense.

 

[President Stache]

What respectable parent would have an issue with their child getting a free ride to Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Stanford or the like? Would love to see him play for PITT- another fantastic university-- but the anger and venom on this board directed at this young man is nitter-like madness. I wish him all the best; he made what he feels is the best choice for him.-- I would tell my son to take the scholly too. HTP

Now Robert Foster on the other hand.... Lol. All the best to him too.

What a crap post. Do you think Notre Dame is better than the University of alabama?? An education is what you put in to it. Jeter has said on interviews his intention is to.make the pro football Hall of fame.
. Not be a scholar. He could care less about that. I think any of us with wisdom know that being home with family is what really matters in the long run. Pitt is a great school right there. Either you're proud of where you are from or you are not. If a kid chooses elsewhere then fine... but we don't have to like it and im.not going to root for the kid. I don't root for Americans that move abroad. I personally did the same I went to duke first, bUT my situation was different and honestly when my dad died I totally regretted doing that, went back to pitt and took care of my mom.
Anyways. It's totally akin to being a trader. I could care less about Jeter anymore

Plus.. nd is in shambles, 8 arrest this year a 1-2 record and a coach who previously got a videoGrapher killed! Is openly calling for the firing of his dc. Nd has big donors and throughout history managed to field a decent football team

 

[Mikefln]

I am not understanding where anyone would have an issue with their son playing for Kelly.

So you have seen him get really upset on the sideline before - so has Narduzzi, Saban, Harbaugh, Meyer, and many other coaches. Seeing him pissed off, which is nothing compared to Saban's melt-downs, is not a good enough reason to bash the man.

Don't give me the Declan Sullivan issue. Tragic that it happened, but if you really think the head coach at the University of Notre Dame handles the student videographer, you are a damn fool.

Kelly is actually very respected by his players. As posted in the recent Jeter thread by another poster speaking about Kelly from personal knowledge.

People are too quick to point fingers/assume.

I do not know Kelly personally, but I have seen him and his act for a long time as he was the coach for Cincy before ND. I have seen him screw his players QBs especially with the mind games he plays. I have seen him show no concern for his injured players while they are down on the ground being looked over. Again he may be a great human that I don't see the ins and outs of but from what I see, he is on my list of top 5 most despised active D1 coaches along with Harbaugh, Franklin, Graham, Petrino.

 

[pittiswhereiamfrom2]

What respectable parent would have an issue with their child getting a free ride to Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Stanford or the like? Would love to see him play for PITT- another fantastic university-- but the anger and venom on this board directed at this young man is nitter-like madness. I wish him all the best; he made what he feels is the best choice for him.-- I would tell my son to take the scholly too. HTP

Now Robert Foster on the other hand.... Lol. All the best to him too.

Who criticized his parents?

 

[Muddy Puddles]

What respectable parent would have an issue with their child getting a free ride to Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Stanford or the like? Would love to see him play for PITT- another fantastic university-- but the anger and venom on this board directed at this young man is nitter-like madness. I wish him all the best; he made what he feels is the best choice for him.-- I would tell my son to take the scholly too. HTP

Now Robert Foster on the other hand.... Lol. All the best to him too.

People get mad about the shade of yellow on a stripe on the uniform's pants. Did you really expect anything else?

 

[PantherO]

What respectable parent would have an issue with their child getting a free ride to Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Stanford or the like? Would love to see him play for PITT- another fantastic university-- but the anger and venom on this board directed at this young man is nitter-like madness. I wish him all the best; he made what he feels is the best choice for him.-- I would tell my son to take the scholly too. HTP

Now Robert Foster on the other hand.... Lol. All the best to him too.

There is a difference between getting a free ride to ND or playing for Coach Asshat.

If I had a son that got a free ride to ND (non athletic), I would be thrilled. If he got an offer to play football at ND with coach Asshat, then I would object.

 

[Safety Blitz]

-Some of these people are not Pitt fans, that is blatantly obvious. The safety guy sounds like a pissed off parent and his kid is Notre Dame bound. I want Notre Dame to lose every game until Maniac Kelly is fired. Ive got that enjoyment twice already under Kelly's failure of a head coach this season and we are only 3 weeks deep. Kelly's good for another 3 losses this year with that soft as a flower defense.

If I'm the "safety guy" you are referring to, let me assure you I don't get PO'd over college football. And my kids are not ND bound. One graduated from Pitt and one from PSU.
I, too, would like to see ND lose every game in the foreseeable future, but I also know they are just games and I prefer to look at the bigger picture. A football scholarship to ND is one helluva opportunity. If the player takes full advantage, he should be able to live a great life. It takes a pretty shallow person to look down on any kid who accepts that opportunity.
If that makes me a bad Pitt/PSU fan (yes, I like both schools) in the eyes of some, I can easily live with that.

 

[Spindler]

ND has been presented as an academic / football paradise led by Kelly presenting the perfect setting for college football. What has been omitted that while ND has had off the field troubles with the law (something that can happen anywhere) forgotten was the academic scandals under Kelly at ND where players plagiarized students work, failed to attend class, and when finally caught got suspended for one year. Allowed to return to school, if they had been members of the regular student body they would have been expelled.

 

[President Stache]

Really... the whole thing of where you go to college is completely overblown. I worked with Harvard grads and CC grads... and when it comes down to it, the individual really makes or break the hire. Sure, the Harvard grads have a typically higher average of intellect. But come to actual work performed and money made for my company, it has no relevance.
So, that being said, and knowing Jeter has no freaking care other than making the NFL... it is a puzzling move for sure. There is absolutely no way south bend compares favorably to Pittsburgh... absolutely no way. Also no way you can say ND will produce better linemen. Wont happen. We have Aaron Donald, and now we have a state of the art facility for athletes to train. That being said... I know kids want to do their own thing, and I respect that. Hell, if I had to do it all over again, I am going 4 years at USD (San Diego).

But, I just think saying ND is a better academic facility than Pitt is is just ridiculous for a person like Jeter (not that Jeter said that at all... or for that matter said anything negative)

I think at the end of the day, he will regret the choice... but who knows right??

 

[Jpripper88]

What respectable parent would have an issue with their child getting a free ride to Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Stanford or the like? Would love to see him play for PITT- another fantastic university-- but the anger and venom on this board directed at this young man is nitter-like madness. I wish him all the best; he made what he feels is the best choice for him.-- I would tell my son to take the scholly too. HTP

Now Robert Foster on the other hand.... Lol. All the best to him too.

So I have two angles on this:

1. Do the academics really matter for 90% of these guys? Most are purely there because of football. They couldn't even sniff admissions if they weren't running in the mid 4s or bench pressing 300lbs. They are funneled to degree programs that hold largely no weight on their own and generally are barely scraping by. All that really matters for most of these guys is how willing is the AD and alumni base willing to hook them up, if they aren't going to make it the NFL?

2. Seeing as about every top prospect is focused on getting to the NFL and the money that awaits, shouldn't their goal be to go to the program that best prepares them for the NFL? Much like you are reasoning kids shouldn't be chastised for picking a great academic school/program, even though the competition to actually achieve in meaningful degree tracts will be rigorous?

So, the argument some people make that a kid (say WR Robert Foster) is stupid to go and face the competition at Alabama when he could be an instant star at Pitt with little effort, is akin to saying a young mathematics/engineering prodigy should pass up MIT and instead go to a middle of the pack state school because they can be #1 in their class and the star. Perhaps the same is then true for criticizing a low level recruit for passing up playing football at Yale, so he could walk on the football team and attend Pitt.

 

[President Stache]

So I have two angles on this:

1. Do the academics really matter for 90% of these guys? Most are purely there because of football. They couldn't even sniff admissions if they weren't running in the mid 4s or bench pressing 300lbs. They are funneled to degree programs that hold largely no weight on their own and generally are barely scraping by. All that really matters for most of these guys is how willing is the AD and alumni base willing to hook them up, if they aren't going to make it the NFL?

2. Seeing as about every top prospect is focused on getting to the NFL and the money that awaits, shouldn't their goal be to go to the program that best prepares them for the NFL? Much like you are reasoning kids shouldn't be chastised for picking a great academic school/program, even though the competition to actually achieve in meaningful degree tracts will be rigorous?

So, the argument some people make that a kid (say WR Robert Foster) is stupid to go and face the competition at Alabama when he could be an instant star at Pitt with little effort, is akin to saying a young mathematics/engineering prodigy should pass up MIT and instead go to a middle of the pack state school because they can be #1 in their class and the star. Perhaps the same is then true for criticizing a low level recruit for passing up playing football at Yale, so he could walk on the football team and attend Pitt.

Plus comparing Saban to Brian Kelly is like comparing God to Dionne Warwick's psychic friends' network.

If Jeter went to Bama and said... 'Man, I get to play for Saban, and look at hot girls in daisy dukes all year long' Id say... yep... go get at Jeter.

I would stand here right now and say Narduzzi is closer to Saban than Brian Kelley is... ESPECIALLY for a recruit playing on the defensive side of the ball.