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According to that Altoona mirror lapdog, Hackensack ranks 107 out of 108 in passing efficiency.

Now a few things come to mind:

1. Concerning his draft stock, what do people see that would make you believe he is #1 material with stats like that? Sophomore year, sure chalk it up as a fluke, but now junior year too? Against the weakest out of conference schedule in power 5 land? Little secret. Shhhh. Psu hasn't played anyone yet. It's only going to get worst. (Over under 5 minutes before a nitter troll makes a sanctions excuse or it was raining or 107)

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2. Do we as pitt fans use this in negative recruiting to show high school kids franklin don't know offenses? The guy is just smoke and mirrors and when Hackensack does turn pro and light it up, the only variable at play is Bob was replaced by the dominator
 
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ratking17 said:
According to that Altoona mirror lapdog, Hackensack ranks 107 out of 108 in passing efficiency.

Now a few things come to mind:

1. Concerning his draft stock, what do people see that would make you believe he is #1 material with stats like that? Sophomore year, sure chalk it up as a fluke, but now junior year too? Against the weakest out of conference schedule in power 5 land? Little secret. Shhhh. Psu hasn't played anyone yet. It's only going to get worst. (Over under 5 minutes before a nitter troll makes a sanctions excuse or it was raining or 107)

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2. Do we as pitt fans use this in negative recruiting to show high school kids franklin don't know offenses? The guy is just smoke and mirrors and when Hackensack does turn pro and light it up, the only variable at play is Bob was replaced by the dominator
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I just wonder how bad must their staff and o-line be to make a kid with that much natural talent be so terrible. It is in no way all on Hackenburg.
 
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I get the desire to bash all things connected to Nit U, but in fairness, Hackenburg demonstrated as a freshman how good that he can be when under the tutilage of a good QB coach. His struggles are more the product of dubious coaching and a porous O-line, and I suspect that he'd be Pitt's starting QB if he were here.
 
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Hack has too much Morelli in him, no instincts. The OL has improved the past two weeks. Hack is still rushing or waiting too long on his throws. OBrien knew Hack could only get in a rhythm when in the hurry up...that is usually the only times Hack had success has a Fr. Our present staff needs to find Hacks strengths and stay with that.
 
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Well, I agree with most everyone. Obviously he showed tools his Freshman year under OBrien (I never watched a penn state football game since 12-0 Pitt win, so I cant really say he looked good or not), and now he looks horrible. I really doubt the line is worse now than under the harsh sanctions previously... so you would almost have to say its the coaches fault, or the QB just mysteriously stinks now. Could be either, but I would go with the former.

I wouldnt worry, as one said, this is against the girl scout type teams and they still stink... so they arent a very good team. If recruits want to go to that cow pasture with the KKK and a bad coach cause they want to play with a little more fans in the stadium, so be it. If they want to be stars in the NFL, then come to Pitt. I feel strongly about that, and I havent seen anything to sway my mind.
 
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jabba2 said:
Hack has too much Morelli in him, no instincts. The OL has improved the past two weeks. Hack is still rushing or waiting too long on his throws. OBrien knew Hack could only get in a rhythm when in the hurry up...that is usually the only times Hack had success has a Fr. Our present staff needs to find Hacks strengths and stay with that.
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Good Post!
 
pittdan77 said:
BOB made a walk-on into a pro QB. Beyond that, they've ruined more 4-star talent in Happy Valley at QB than just about anywhere else on earth.
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Good Post Too! Paterno coach up 3 Star Recruits pretty good actually, and often change his 4 Star recruits from different positions, and many of Paterno's 4 & 5 Star Recruits bombed out in the NFL.

Franklin looks like he is continuing that Tradition?
 
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I like and respect Hackenberg, he came to Penn State at their lowest self-created situation, and stayed loyal to them during their greatest peril. Coach O'Brien did great making him a very good QB even with Offensive Line problems.

Yet, the Penn state Cultists and Jay Paterno chased O'Brien away and O'Brien could not wait to leave that University and will never return. Looks like PSU Fan Base may be turning on Hackenberg too, and shows you why choosing that University and Program, is a big mistake if one has other alternatives.

They hate their own, eat their own, abuse their own, and many of their fans come from Philly where they pretty much hate themselves? Add in the Rednecks in the Middle of the Commonwealth and you have the gasoline to light any fires to burn down anyone.

The Penn State Scandal revealed much of this hate and still does and Paterno helped to create and promote it, and in the end that is what caught up with him and them? Many still prefer to remain stupid and once that generation dies off, it may be become a better place to live! They live in a Penn state Culture past that was based on lies, non-compliance and isolation attacking, banning, and firing anyone that dared to expose them?

If Harris, Wannstedt, Graham, Chryst or Chaney coached Hackenberg he would be much better, just like O'Brien made him!

Hackenberg's Father and Hackenberg's loyalty is getting Hack Sacked at Penn State, and they have hired an NFL Agent to consult with them to get him into the NFL sooner. Once burn twice shy. Hackenberg Father is far smarter than Morelli ever was and Morelli personality like his fathers was perfect at Penn State, lacking character!

Franklin reputation is starting to tarnish on compliance, and the players cannot wait to leave Penn State even if it means being taken lower in the NFL Draft.

Penn State will wake up soon and see that a Penn State Alumnus in Coaching like Munchak, Golden, Engram, and Rhule will be far better for them, if they can survive the Paterno's undercutting of their coaches too!

Franklin is going to be let go if just one scandal hits the Program like what happen at Vanderbilt and DAntonio, Meyers, and Harbaugh will punch holes in his coaching as well!

Hackenberg like Foster made a mistake! There was better Programs, Universities, and Coaches that they could have gone and accomplish more in less time!
 
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There's a misperception that he was great as a try freshman, but the reality is, he was good for a true freshman, but actually pretty mediocre. His problems go beyond the OLine and coaching



Panther Parrothead said:
I get the desire to bash all things connected to Nit U, but in fairness, Hackenburg demonstrated as a freshman how good that he can be when under the tutilage of a good QB coach. His struggles are more the product of dubious coaching and a porous O-line, and I suspect that he'd be Pitt's starting QB if he were here.
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There's a misperception that he was great as a try freshman, but the reality is, he was good for a true freshman, but actually pretty mediocre. His problems go beyond the OLine and coaching
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Very good post, and I think Barkely will help Hack win more! Franklin may not be smart enough to play Barkley as he should right now, but in time he won't be able to ignore it.

I still think Hack is going to get hurt real bad, but I predicted that last year, and it did not happen?

Still, a Great Running Back can cover a ton of offensive sins......Pitt fans know all about it.....Connor is still recovering?!?
 
phxpanther said:
There's a misperception that he was great as a try freshman, but the reality is, he was good for a true freshman, but actually pretty mediocre. His problems go beyond the OLine and coaching
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He also in his first year had a reciever who bailed his arse out on many catches if I remember correctly....
 
CaptainSidneyReilly said:
I like and respect Hackenberg, he came to Penn State at their lowest self-created situation, and stayed loyal to them during their greatest peril. Coach O'Brien did great making him a very good QB even with Offensive Line problems.

Yet, the Penn state Cultists and Jay Paterno chased O'Brien away and O'Brien could not wait to leave that University and will never return. Looks like PSU Fan Base may be turning on Hackenberg too, and shows you why choosing that University and Program, is a big mistake if one has other alternatives.

They hate their own, eat their own, abuse their own, and many of their fans come from Philly where they pretty much hate themselves? Add in the Rednecks in the Middle of the Commonwealth and you have the gasoline to light any fires to burn down anyone.

The Penn State Scandal revealed much of this hate and still does and Paterno helped to create and promote it, and in the end that is what caught up with him and them? Many still prefer to remain stupid and once that generation dies off, it may be become a better place to live! They live in a Penn state Culture past that was based on lies, non-compliance and isolation attacking, banning, and firing anyone that dared to expose them?

If Harris, Wannstedt, Graham, Chryst or Chaney coached Hackenberg he would be much better, just like O'Brien made him!

Hackenberg's Father and Hackenberg's loyalty is getting Hack Sacked at Penn State, and they have hired an NFL Agent to consult with them to get him into the NFL sooner. Once burn twice shy. Hackenberg Father is far smarter than Morelli ever was and Morelli personality like his fathers was perfect at Penn State, lacking character!

Franklin reputation is starting to tarnish on compliance, and the players cannot wait to leave Penn State even if it means being taken lower in the NFL Draft.

Penn State will wake up soon and see that a Penn State Alumnus in Coaching like Munchak, Golden, Engram, and Rhule will be far better for them, if they can survive the Paterno's undercutting of their coaches too!

Franklin is going to be let go if just one scandal hits the Program like what happen at Vanderbilt and DAntonio, Meyers, and Harbaugh will punch holes in his coaching as well!

Hackenberg like Foster made a mistake! There was better Programs, Universities, and Coaches that they could have gone and accomplish more in less time!
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I cannot see how Wannstedt would make any QB better. Harris or Chryst yes. But Wanny??
 
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Cavanaugh and Wanny are to quarterbacks what a semi is to a deer crossing a highway.. On the topic, it is amazing, staggering, the decline in play with Hack from Bob to this staff... It isn't all the O Line folks, he went from a shining star to a disaster..
 
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He also in his first year had a reciever who bailed his arse out on many catches if I remember correctly....
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That is actually true. He threw the ball up for grabs many times. He was fortunate he had a receiver to go get it. Credit O'Brien for finding a pass play where he could have some success, even if that particular pass is a low percentage pass in the NFL.

Unsure if Coach Bubblescreen is smart enough to figure that out.
 
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I cannot see how Wannstedt would make any QB better. Harris or Chryst yes. But Wanny??
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Upon reflection, I have to agree with you and removed him from that list. Wannstedt did have have judgment problems on starting the QB and went with Stull that turned out Ok, but never great. I always thought Bostick was not given his chance ir due under Wannstedt. Although Palko had the heart clearly Flacco had the Arm! I felt the same on Bostick versus Stull! Teh aboslute worse game I ever witness by a Pitt Team was the Pitt-Oregon State 0-3 Loss, whereby Stull stunk from the first play until he was replaced by Wannstedt the 5 minutes and Bostick came in and almost at least tied it and moved the ball, but ran out of time.

Wannstedt judgment on Game Day was often just un-explainable and particularly on that Bowl Game? Stull was not ready to play that day and Wannstedt could not see it. Wannstedt and Stull let the entire Players and team down that day. Stull later proved to be Ok the next year but I still cringe thinking about watching that entire game! Wannstedt was an example of OK NFL Coach that had trouble adjusting to becoming a NCAA Rule 17 Hour Practice Coach. Coach Dave improved recruiting but never found a Top QB either.

Palko and Tino were of Pitt History pedigree and were selected over Flacco and other QBs. Flacco knew it and went elsewhere. Tino played his heart out but just lacked abilities under Wannstedt and Graham. Yet, Sal Sunseri's other son was sent to Bama and so much for their loyalty to Pitt? Yet, every time the coaching Job comes opens Sal Sunseri wants the job? Hope that never happens!

I hope Tyler Palko gets into coaching soon, he is going to make a terrific coach, in my opinion! We shall see?

 
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pittzap said:
Not when teams like PSU have an awful schedule and still look average at best.
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I see improvements as Barkley emerged, but won't know for sure until we see how they do against Indiana, Maryland, Illinois, Northwestern, OSU, Michigan, & MSU?

SDSU and Army will be scrimmages again and should be wins, so should Indiana. This gives them time to improve the OL, prefect the Running Game with Barkley, and develop the Passing Game. The Defense is improving as well each game.

The Maryland and Illinois games are Toss Ups, as far as I am concern!

The OSU, NW, Michigan and MSU Games should be losses, if they keep playing like they did in the first three games? Going 7-5!

Barkley has given them a special boost and will continue to do so, just like Connor did for Pitt last 3 years, and gives the OL time to develop better. If Hackenberg goes down due to an injury could be some trouble.

However, even Hackenberg has retained a Sports Agent for the NFL and looks like he can't wait to leave, but will play his heart out in the meantime. No question Hackenberg has declined under Franklin!
 
daminals76 said:
Again... Zero sacks since the temple game.

The OL isn't good, by any means.... But they aren't as bad as ppl say.

Hackenberg sucks so stop making excuses for him!
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Speaker of undeniable truth. 100% on Hackenberg. Total flash in the pan as a freshman. Stop making excuses for his success that year. Don't you dare suggest that the Dominatrix and his brilliant staff might have something to do with his regression! The nerve!
 
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perchance said:
Speaker of undeniable truth. 100% on Hackenberg. Total flash in the pan as a freshman. Stop making excuses for his success that year. Don't you dare suggest that the Dominatrix and his brilliant staff might have something to do with his regression! The nerve!
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Yeah, it must be Franklin's history of great offenses that lead people to believe that.
 
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again, it isnt just the QB. How can you possibility make the statement Wannstedt was horrible at coaches QB's when he had Bostick and Tino and then say Franklin isnt horrible because Hacken whatever his name is is actually just horrible.

It is coaching and schemes being worked to allow success.
 
Penn State's O-Line is not great, but not quite as bad as people make it out to be. Just watch any PSU game and you'll see quickly, Hackenberg is just flat out not very good. He can barely even move within the pocket, he looks like a statue back there for one. Secondly, he is just not a very accurate passer.
I'm not even trying to rip on the kid, but all these excuses and saying how bad their line has been the past couple years is just denying the truth. The kid just was way over-hyped coming out of high school and he's proving it. He had a good freshman season because Bill O'Brien is basically a QB genius. In general though, he is not a good college quarterback, it's as simple as that.
 
The Pedsters don't seem to be claiming Hackenberg will be the number one overall pick in the NFL draft anymore these days. It was laughable when the Pedsters were making that claim all along.
 
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