I put the Louisville game on Jamie, but not this one

[UPitt '89]

This one is on Artis mainly... and Robinson secondly.

- Artis was shooting his mouth off after the game ("Duke's a good team, but we're better") and he follows it up with an uninspired game in which he was 1-for-8, committed a couple turnover, and was horrible defensively.

- Robinson has to be more careful when he's got 3 fouls. Damon Wilson isn't able to run this team against quality teams yet. VT outscored Pitt 16-5 during the 7 minutes that Wilson played. James has to understand how important he is right now, and that his understudy simply isn't ready yet.

- Normally, when a team is in foul trouble, you go zone. Jamie tried zone, and VT lit us up. He had no choice but to go back to man-to-man. But the refs were calling the game extremely tight, and we didn't adjust to that.

- "Bad Jeter" was back. Matador on defense. Just horrible.

- We can't win when we're only getting 8 offensive rebounds (only 1 in the first half, and it came on our first possession by Maia). Especially when Artis is getting only 5 points.


Two games left to win one. Gotta elevate our game... especially Artis and Robinson.

 

[bobfree]

I think Robinson played fine.

We got zero out of our 2-3. Artis looked like he was shaving points. We are going to struggle big time when that happens.

 

[iMissTheOldDays]

Artis is turning into Gil Brown .. Except Gil actually played defense when he wasn't scoring

 

[pittizit]

Artis has been a waste all year...continues to think he's an NBA player...lacks maturity and team attitude...he's lost more games by not showing up than he's won for Pitt

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I think Robinson played fine.

We got zero out of our 2-3. Artis looked like he was shaving points. We are going to struggle big time when that happens.

Robinson was 2-10 and 1-6 from 3. He's not the only one who couldn't find the hoop but that's pretty bad.

 

[TD_istheman]

Robinson is a great kid just not ACC level player. Recruiting is where you live or die.

 

[UPitt '89]

Robinson was 2-10 and 1-6 from 3. He's not the only one who couldn't find the hoop but that's pretty bad.

More importantly.... Pitt was outscored by 11 when he was on the bench in foul trouble.

Unfortunately, James has to play 37-40 minutes per game at this point, because Damon Wilson isn't capable of running the team right now.

Pitt outscored VT by 7 when James was in.... he can't allow himself to get into foul trouble.

 

[UPitt '89]

Robinson is a great kid just not ACC level player. Recruiting is where you live or die.

He didn't shoot well today... .but Pitt outscored VT over the minutes he was in.

Where James hurt us was in getting in foul trouble and Damon not being able to run the team effectively.

 

[bobfree]

Robinson was 2-10 and 1-6 from 3. He's not the only one who couldn't find the hoop but that's pretty bad.

His last 4 shots were all in the final minute and he probably got fouled on at least 1. That isn't his game. When we get nothing out of the 2-3 we are in trouble and he isn't as effective

 

[iMissTheOldDays]

Robinson is a great kid just not ACC level player. Recruiting is where you live or die.

Is this a joke ? Not an ACC level player ? You're wrong bud , just wrong

 

[PITT92DOG]

Robinson was 2-10 and 1-6 from 3. He's not the only one who couldn't find the hoop but that's pretty bad.

Definitely not his finest hour but I think the constant foul trouble ruined his rhythm and made him play really cautious.

 

[bobfree]

Where did you get the plus/minus stats from. Id like to share those please

 

[UPitt '89]

Where did you get the plus/minus stats from. Id like to share those please

I was watching the stats live at http://www.scacchoops.com/ViewHDGame_Subscribe.asp ... but now that the game has ended, they don't have the plus/minus anymore.

I'll try to find it.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

For the record I like Robinson and think he is most definitely an ACC level player. But I don't think he played well tonight. And getting in foul trouble is part of that.

 

[pitt-girl]

Robinson is a great kid just not ACC level player. Recruiting is where you live or die.

Well, except for Sunday.

 

[UPitt '89]

I was watching the stats live at http://www.scacchoops.com/ViewHDGame_Subscribe.asp ... but now that the game has ended, they don't have the plus/minus anymore.

I'll try to find it.

Based on the in-game stats and doing back-of-the-envelope calculations.....

VT outscored Pitt 23-14 when James was out. Pitt outscored VT 47-42 when he was in.

Wilson came in for James on three separate occassions. On the first one, Pitt was leading 19-17 and when James came back in, we were down 19-22. So that's 0-to-5.

On the second one, Pitt was leading 28-27 and when James came back in, we were down 35-32. So that's 4-to-8.

On the third one, Pitt was down 38-48 and when James came back in, it was 48-58. So that's 10-to-10.

Those 7+ minutes total that Wilson was in and James was out... Pitt was outscored 23-14.

-9 With Wilson
+5 with Robinson

There's your ballgame.

 

[bobfree]

Based on the in-game stats and doing back-of-the-envelope calculations.....

VT outscored Pitt 23-14 when James was out. Pitt outscored VT 47-42 when he was in.

Wilson came in for James on three separate occassions. On the first one, Pitt was leading 19-17 and when James came back in, we were down 19-22. So that's 0-to-5.

On the second one, Pitt was leading 28-27 and when James came back in, we were down 35-32. So that's 4-to-8.

On the third one, Pitt was down 38-48 and when James came back in, it was 48-58. So that's 10-to-10.

Those 7+ minutes total that Wilson was in and James was out... Pitt was outscored 23-14.

-9 With Wilson
+5 with Robinson

There's your ballgame.

Actually he came also came out when we were up 26-22 at the .54 seconds mark and came back in for final shot down 27-26, no?

 

[UPitt '89]

Actually he came also came out when we were up 26-22 at the .54 seconds mark and came back in for final shot down 27-26, no?

Play by play doesn't show that.... but if so.... that's another 0-5 against Wilson.

Which would make it:

14-28 with Wilson
47-37 with Robinson

Pretty telling.

 

[bobfree]

Play by play doesn't show that.... but if so.... that's another 0-5 against Wilson.

Which would make it:

14-28 with Wilson
47-37 with Robinson

Pretty telling.

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that's what happened.

 

[iMissTheOldDays]

It's pretty easy to see Wilson is not a point guard

 

[UPitt '89]

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that's what happened.

Sometimes the play-by-play misses substitutions.... and you have to go back and look at it a day or two later to get the accurate numbers.

But I think it is pretty clear..... If James played all 40 minutes, we likely win.

Which is why he can't get into foul trouble. Jamie has been playing him 37-38 minutes lately, and that needs to continue.

 

[pitt-girl]

Sometimes the play-by-play misses substitutions.... and you have to go back and look at it a day or two later to get the accurate numbers.

But I think it is pretty clear..... If James played all 40 minutes, we likely win.

Which is why he can't get into foul trouble. Jamie has been playing him 37-38 minutes lately, and that needs to continue.

So I was out and couldn't actually watch the game - what was up with all the fouls? I hate to do the fouls thing as an excuse, but I was shocked when I saw that many Panthers with 3-4 fouls.

 

[Piranha]

Robinson is by far the best PG we have. He was off tonight, but he is the straw that stirs our drink. I blame JD for all the unnecessary substitutions in the first half. Should have stuck with the rotation we used against Duke.

 

[Mercer50]

I agree we needed James in the game to win, unfortunately tonight in the last few minutes he missed a free throw, 2 three pointers and a follow-up lay-up when we desperately needed points so tie the game. Also, why did we not attack the rim in the last minute when we were down 64 -61 after that is what got us back in the game?

 

[gary2]

More importantly.... Pitt was outscored by 11 when he was on the bench in foul trouble.

Unfortunately, James has to play 37-40 minutes per game at this point, because Damon Wilson isn't capable of running the team right now.

Pitt outscored VT by 7 when James was in.... he can't allow himself to get into foul trouble.

Officiating was bad, particularly the black official. Robinson almost never has today's kind of foul trouble.

 

[gary2]

He didn't shoot well today... .but Pitt outscored VT over the minutes he was in.

Where James hurt us was in getting in foul trouble and Damon not being able to run the team effectively.

Better add a point guard to Kithcart for next season

 

[gary2]

It's pretty easy to see Wilson is not a point guard

I have been saying that for awhile now

 

[PittPoker]

Pitt outscored VT by 7 when James was in.... he can't allow himself to get into foul trouble.

I don't think he allowed anything, the refs were calling every bs ticky tack touch on Pitt. They sucked.

 

[mbrannagan]

He didn't shoot well today... .but Pitt outscored VT over the minutes he was in.

Where James hurt us was in getting in foul trouble and Damon not being able to run the team effectively.

Unfortunately a few of those fouls were tremendously iffy. VA Tech played for contact and not for baskets, many refs see through that, but not the case tonight.

 

[33pitt99]

Unfortunately a few of those fouls were tremendously iffy. VA Tech played for contact and not for baskets, many refs see through that, but not the case tonight.

Agree. That is how VT plays, and the refs let them do it. Unfortunately, Pitt didn't pick up on the fact that the refs weren't going to call charges until the last few minutes of the game. The call with Luther, which I thought was clearly a charge that was called a block, was indicative of the way the game was called. With those refs, you just needed to go to the hoop and you got the call. Had we been more aggressive going to the hoop early, we win the game.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Agree. That is how VT plays, and the refs let them do it. Unfortunately, Pitt didn't pick up on the fact that the refs weren't going to call charges until the last few minutes of the game. The call with Luther, which I thought was clearly a charge that was called a block, was indicative of the way the game was called. With those refs, you just needed to go to the hoop and you got the call. Had we been more aggressive going to the hoop early, we win the game.

Why have an expensive coaching staff if they're not going to notice stuff like this ( marked in red). Commentators have mentioned this in other games like PITT not adjusting to the environment or team that they're playing. Dixon is one dimensional which worked for him in the Big East but isn't working for him now!
If A. isnt working lets go to B. or C.? I don't think Dixson had the confidence to change things up!
50% of the teams problems are the lazy disinterested self absorped players and the other 50% is the coaching staff including Dixon.
Not much imagination on this staff!
I do have to laugh at the posters ( not you but others) who claim PITT get screwed by the officials in almost every game. Not statistically possible and if they're that bad they screw both teams!

 

[Delpanther]

This one is on Artis mainly... and Robinson secondly.

- Artis was shooting his mouth off after the game ("Duke's a good team, but we're better") and he follows it up with an uninspired game in which he was 1-for-8, committed a couple turnover, and was horrible defensively.

- Robinson has to be more careful when he's got 3 fouls. Damon Wilson isn't able to run this team against quality teams yet. VT outscored Pitt 16-5 during the 7 minutes that Wilson played. James has to understand how important he is right now, and that his understudy simply isn't ready yet.

- Normally, when a team is in foul trouble, you go zone. Jamie tried zone, and VT lit us up. He had no choice but to go back to man-to-man. But the refs were calling the game extremely tight, and we didn't adjust to that.

- "Bad Jeter" was back. Matador on defense. Just horrible.

- We can't win when we're only getting 8 offensive rebounds (only 1 in the first half, and it came on our first possession by Maia). Especially when Artis is getting only 5 points.


Two games left to win one. Gotta elevate our game... especially Artis and Robinson.

As I said in another thread, at this point in the season you have to hold the staff responsible for this team's inconsistency. Yea, it's on the players too but ultimately coaches are held responsible for their team's failure to play up to their potential with regularity. And as we have seen on occasion the ceiling for this team can be pretty high but they only rarely play up to that potential.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

As I said in another thread, at this point in the season you have to hold the staff responsible for this team's inconsistency. Yea, it's on the players too but ultimately coaches are held responsible for their team's failure to play up to their potential with regularity. And as we have seen on occasion the ceiling for this team can be pretty high but they only rarely play up to that potential.

Yea but eventually Del players need to take ownership of the program like I said in a thread I just posted

 

[Delpanther]

Yea but eventually Del players need to take ownership of the program like I said in a thread I just posted

Agree but the bottom line is that a coach who can't get his players to buy in will be held accountable by the AD for his failure to do so. No AD is going to accept the excuse after a period of time that it's all the players' fault . Coaches get paid to motivate their teams to buy in. Jamie hasn't had this issue in the past but he has it in spades with this team.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

One thing that I've noticed is the team has no emotion when things aren't going well. Take the VT players last night when they were down by 9. They looked upset and motivated wanting to flip the script. When PITT got down by the same amount the team was mopping around, turn the ball over no reaction, miss a FT or two so what, shot clock runs out oh well.
I watched a timeout when Jamie was talking to them and half the team seemed to be looking away from him or looking at the floor??
Not sure whats going on with these guys!

 

[noelr]

Just seems strange jd has always had players who would walk through fire until this crop. I am not sure u can motivate the unmotivatable

 

[Pete108K11]

Why have an expensive coaching staff if they're not going to notice stuff like this ( marked in red). Commentators have mentioned this in other games like PITT not adjusting to the environment or team that they're playing. Dixon is one dimensional which worked for him in the Big East but isn't working for him now!
If A. isnt working lets go to B. or C.? I don't think Dixson had the confidence to change things up!
50% of the teams problems are the lazy disinterested self absorped players and the other 50% is the coaching staff including Dixon.
Not much imagination on this staff!
I do have to laugh at the posters ( not you but others) who claim PITT get screwed by the officials in almost every game. Not statistically possible and if they're that bad they screw both teams!

 

[Black_Man_Panther]

Unfortunately, James has to play 37-40 minutes per game at this point, because Damon Wilson isn't capable of running the team right now.

Pitt outscored VT by 7 when James was in.... he can't allow himself to get into foul trouble.

Wilson might be ready by this time if Dixon had played him a lot more in the pre-season and more at the PG. He was wasting the effort by playing him at the 2 when he knew at some point he would be needed at PG.

But I love your premise... let's blame the freshman for the loss - not the guy making 2 million a year to coach. Sheesh...

 

[Pete108K11]

You mean adjustments like on defense going from man to man to a 3-2 zone and back to man to man and then to a 2-3 zone.

On offense I wish Jamie would teach his guys not to shoot airballs, especially from the foul line, and not to waste the possession arrow by getting the ball stuck between the rim and the board.