I so looked forward to this game when it was announced

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

And now that it is almost hear, I really don't care to play or at least extend this series. It is one thing to hate teams and even fan bases, but this is beyond ridiculous.

The serious problem with college football is fans can and do affect programs. In pro sports, not really. It is about players, owners, coaching and management. But fans and their ridiculous allegiances, and Penn State being probably the biggest cult this side of Scientology, really it is the Radical Islam of college sports or all sports, it does have effect. With social media, people have too much access to players.

Attendance. All I hear is attendance. Funny, you don't hear pro sports teams talk about this. Oh yeah, Steeler fans go in and take over stadiums, but still most trash talk is about the game and the score. You don't have Buffalo Bill fans coming on here claiming #83K strong, like it makes them a superior franchise.

And then all of the scandal stuff, the idolatry and worshipping of a false prophet, the lunacy, Penn State fans looking to try to ruin kids, THEIR OWN STUDENTS! if they dare question or disagree with their narrative, these people who run or ruin anything in their path if they don't get their way.

I don't care if this is a TOS Violation. **** THEM! **** THEIR MOMS FOR HAVING THEM! I don't want anything to do with these weirdos.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Kinda with you. This board has mostly drawn the Joe Bots with the exception of Jabba, who really hasn't said too much. I have 3 good friends who are PSU guys and while they remain fans they all know the deal and wish they would just move on. I know there are plenty of people that aren't sick cult members but I guess they are the ones who have the most impact.

I also wouldn't care if they cancelled the series after Saturday or didn't renew at any point in the near future.

I also believe there is going to be some incidenta on Saturday (truly hope I'm wrong) but I'm making sure I do all I can to stay away from it.

 

[KnightSlayer]

And now that it is almost hear, I really don't care to play or at least extend this series. It is one thing to hate teams and even fan bases, but this is beyond ridiculous.

The serious problem with college football is fans can and do affect programs. In pro sports, not really. It is about players, owners, coaching and management. But fans and their ridiculous allegiances, and Penn State being probably the biggest cult this side of Scientology, really it is the Radical Islam of college sports or all sports, it does have effect. With social media, people have too much access to players.

Attendance. All I hear is attendance. Funny, you don't hear pro sports teams talk about this. Oh yeah, Steeler fans go in and take over stadiums, but still most trash talk is about the game and the score. You don't have Buffalo Bill fans coming on here claiming #83K strong, like it makes them a superior franchise.

And then all of the scandal stuff, the idolatry and worshipping of a false prophet, the lunacy, Penn State fans looking to try to ruin kids, THEIR OWN STUDENTS! if they dare question or disagree with their narrative, these people who run or ruin anything in their path if they don't get their way.

I don't care if this is a TOS Violation. **** THEM! **** THEIR MOMS FOR HAVING THEM! I don't want anything to do with these weirdos.

LOL.

 

[pittengineer75]

I was never really keen on the series resuming, being a thing of the past more so than anything. With that said, I understand why it is big for some fans on both sides. I just have never really seen the appeal with them in terms of travel to an away game to the middle of nowhere to a stadium that basically is an over-sized high school stadium from the 50s that was never renovated except for the Coca Cola scoreboard following vending machine rights. Especially considering PSU is a regional team and not really national in terms of appeal, which is also more known for the scandal than anything else.

I think its interesting the Penn State excuses you see on their board for why they are "better" than Pitt right now. Talking about how attendance and third party recruiting sites are more important than wins on the field. That is a very interesting discussion on their board, which you can tell when a program is grasping at straws when "victories" are based on attendance and recruiting sites rather than actual wins. With a softer schedule (Sagarin SOS: #51 PSU, #40 Pitt) and less wins (PSU 7-6, PITT 8-5), you have to reach I guess for things that really dont matter.

In terms of the Sandusky/Paterno/PSU child molestation and cover up scandal, it is what it is. Had that happened in Pittsburgh with that exact same circumstances, the football program would have been shutdown for a period voluntarily and the entire program and administration completely removed. You would definitely not see posts trying to sympathize with Sandusky or hoping he can get out based on excuses they are reaching on to blame the victims of the abuse just so they can get everything football related back. It really is sad we have humans in this world that think like that and there have been substantial threads on BWI related to sympathy for Sandusky and blasting the victims from all different direction. They are even beating up verbally on a student journalist who said its time to move on, look forward, and try to reemerge post-child sexual molestation history of the previous regime. When you create a false narrative, I guess thats the only way you know how to deal with things. Its in the similar vein as Scientology, People's Temple, Branch Davidians, etc.....where apparently you are what you think you are, damn reality.

 

[doubleAA's]

And now that it is almost hear, I really don't care to play or at least extend this series. It is one thing to hate teams and even fan bases, but this is beyond ridiculous.

The serious problem with college football is fans can and do affect programs. In pro sports, not really. It is about players, owners, coaching and management. But fans and their ridiculous allegiances, and Penn State being probably the biggest cult this side of Scientology, really it is the Radical Islam of college sports or all sports, it does have effect. With social media, people have too much access to players.

Attendance. All I hear is attendance. Funny, you don't hear pro sports teams talk about this. Oh yeah, Steeler fans go in and take over stadiums, but still most trash talk is about the game and the score. You don't have Buffalo Bill fans coming on here claiming #83K strong, like it makes them a superior franchise.

And then all of the scandal stuff, the idolatry and worshipping of a false prophet, the lunacy, Penn State fans looking to try to ruin kids, THEIR OWN STUDENTS! if they dare question or disagree with their narrative, these people who run or ruin anything in their path if they don't get their way.

I don't care if this is a TOS Violation. **** THEM! **** THEIR MOMS FOR HAVING THEM! I don't want anything to do with these weirdos.

Very good post. I agree full heartedly, and to me the penn state 83K stuff means nothing since it is the 2nd largest undergrad population in the country with 43,000 students... only 15 colleges in the entire country have as many as 30,000 and a third of them arent even football programs.

Bottom line... when you have as many undergrads as PSU and OSU have, you should get 80,000 a game easy.

 

[pittengineer75]

Consider that PSU has 97,494 students in their system and 645,000 living alumni. Pitt has 28,617 students and 313,000 living alumni. Based on football stadium size (Beaver Stadium: 106572 and Heinz Field: 68400), PSU has a pretty substantial advantage in terms of the number of people to fill in seats (7 students/living alumni per seat compared to 5 students/living alumni per seat). Plays a pretty substantial role.

 

[BigNittanyLion]

I think you guys are being a bit melodramatic.

 

[doubleAA's]

And dont forget Pitt has a much higher criteria for acceptance into the school.

 

[ddc17]

I think you guys are being a bit melodramatic.

I agree and am a Pitt fan

 

[ddc17]

And dont forget Pitt has a much higher criteria for acceptance into the school.

Not always true. I got in to Pitt's Business school but not Penn State's in 2007. I know many that got into Pitt and not Penn State and vice versa.

 

[CrazyPaco]

Not always true. I got in to Pitt's Business school but not Penn State's in 2007. I know many that got into Pitt and not Penn State and vice versa.

Averages from the schools' common data sets tell the overall story.

What they don't tell is the story of system-wide admissions, for which there is an even greater gap.

 

[ddc17]

Averages from the schools' common data sets tell the overall story.

What they don't tell is the story of system-wide admissions, for which there is an even greater gap.

Agreed, anyone with a pulse can get into a branch PSU school and end up at PSU main, whereas Pitt does not provide that opportunity. I believe I received an excellent education from Pitt that has lead to success in my career far beyond that of my peers.

 

[doubleAA's]

 

[VAPanther91]

Completely agree. This was one of the best rivalries in the 70s and 80s. This game was a holiday. And now half the folks I used to love to banter about the game suddenly become irrational and say things like:

(1) This was all made up by Bobby Bowden to get his record back;

(2) There's no evidence any of this ever happened;

(3) These families just want money;

(4) But he gave so much to the University;

The painting with the halo around Paterno in downtown State College is crazier than the statue.

Enough. Cancel the stupid game.

And now that it is almost hear, I really don't care to play or at least extend this series. It is one thing to hate teams and even fan bases, but this is beyond ridiculous.

The serious problem with college football is fans can and do affect programs. In pro sports, not really. It is about players, owners, coaching and management. But fans and their ridiculous allegiances, and Penn State being probably the biggest cult this side of Scientology, really it is the Radical Islam of college sports or all sports, it does have effect. With social media, people have too much access to players.

Attendance. All I hear is attendance. Funny, you don't hear pro sports teams talk about this. Oh yeah, Steeler fans go in and take over stadiums, but still most trash talk is about the game and the score. You don't have Buffalo Bill fans coming on here claiming #83K strong, like it makes them a superior franchise.

And then all of the scandal stuff, the idolatry and worshipping of a false prophet, the lunacy, Penn State fans looking to try to ruin kids, THEIR OWN STUDENTS! if they dare question or disagree with their narrative, these people who run or ruin anything in their path if they don't get their way.

I don't care if this is a TOS Violation. **** THEM! **** THEIR MOMS FOR HAVING THEM! I don't want anything to do with these weirdos.

 

[President Stache]

I honestly wouldnt give a rats butt either way. I like a game against Villanova as much as PSU.... but I think the vast majority would disagree.

This will be the highest attended sporting event in Pittsburgh history... and that isnt tongue in cheek... it literally will be.

 

[big marty]

Alabama Auburn. Etc. Rivals equals hate. Are you scared ? This is chump change. It's awesome. Now if there is serious problems then ok. They hate us. We dislike them.

 

[UPitt '89]

And now that it is almost hear, I really don't care to play or at least extend this series. It is one thing to hate teams and even fan bases, but this is beyond ridiculous.

The serious problem with college football is fans can and do affect programs. In pro sports, not really. It is about players, owners, coaching and management. But fans and their ridiculous allegiances, and Penn State being probably the biggest cult this side of Scientology, really it is the Radical Islam of college sports or all sports, it does have effect. With social media, people have too much access to players.

Attendance. All I hear is attendance. Funny, you don't hear pro sports teams talk about this. Oh yeah, Steeler fans go in and take over stadiums, but still most trash talk is about the game and the score. You don't have Buffalo Bill fans coming on here claiming #83K strong, like it makes them a superior franchise.

And then all of the scandal stuff, the idolatry and worshipping of a false prophet, the lunacy, Penn State fans looking to try to ruin kids, THEIR OWN STUDENTS! if they dare question or disagree with their narrative, these people who run or ruin anything in their path if they don't get their way.

I don't care if this is a TOS Violation. **** THEM! **** THEIR MOMS FOR HAVING THEM! I don't want anything to do with these weirdos.

Grow a set, owtie. ;-)

They're making fun of you over on BWI. Or trying to.

Most of your post is dead on. They are the ISIS of College Football fans. The entire country loathes their school now, and them, and they haven't been able to accept that.

As for attendance.... when it is all you have, it is what you tout. The only thing that matters in football is the success on the field. Miami won multiple NCs without selling out their stadium for most games. There are very few things less relevant than attendance.

But it is all they got. Yes. We know there are 100K cultist drones who show up on Saturdays in Happy Valley to worship at the altar.

The difference between us and them is that if one of our coaches abused young boys for decades and our head coach looked the other way.... we wouldn't rise in defense of the indefensible, we would be ashamed of what occurred in our name and we would have purged every reference to said coach from our history.

PSU fans are like Germans still supporting Hitler *AFTER* the war.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Alabama Auburn. Etc. Rivals equals hate. Are you scared ? This is chump change. It's awesome. Now if there is serious problems then ok. They hate us. We dislike them.

Thank you for being the voice of reason

 

[big marty]

If 100,000 folks show up for 6 wins, God bless them. So much to do in Centre County. It's like a Farm Show. Enjoy.

 

[CrazyPaco]

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For fall 2015, the comparisons are as follows for Pitt main vs PSU main for 1st time freshman admission (according to both school's Common Data Sets for the Pittsburgh and University Park campuses only).
Average incoming GPA: 4.00 vs 3.60
Students having at least a 3.75 GPA: 73.0% vs 35.7%
Students in the top 10% of their high school class: 50% vs 41%
Average of the middle 50 percentile for CR+M+W SATs: 1885 vs 1785

Additionally, GEDs are not accepted for freshman admission at Pitt, and compared to Penn State, Pitt requires:
3 additional units of science labs
1 additional unit of social sciences, and
3 additional units of academic electives.

Pitt also recommends, in order to be a competitive admit, 8 more additional academic units. I know Pitt also strongly recommends that you have AP or IB courses because 92% of admits have those.

The following is a comparison of system-wide admission statistics. This includes the main campuses for each plus all 4 Pitt regionals (including 2-year Titusville), and PSU's 19 branches. However, this does not including the 7,242K undergrad World PSU Campus students that earn identical Penn State diplomas but for which where there are essentially no admissions standards, nor does it include the over 5,514 Penn Tech students.
SAT CR+M+W: 1757 vs 1614
GPA: 3.80 vs 3.35
% with a >= 3.75 GPA: 60% vs 21%
top 10% of high school class: 41% vs 24%.

Now remember 50.2% of PSU students start at their branches, but only 3.8% of PSU baccalaureate degrees are are awarded there. Think about that difference! That's a massive funnel where they promote transfer, so the average student at PSU main is much more in line with their system-wide admission averages. A nice way to game the ranking systems. Comparatively, 31.5% of Pitt students start at the 4 regional campuses (28.7% if you eliminate Associate degree-only Titusville) and 17.8% of baccalaureate degrees were awarded at them. Add to that, there are not guaranteed articulation plans to Pitt main from its regionals.

 

[kma0043]

On the bright side this game gives attention to college football in PA nationally and may help keep PA recruits home and may give exposure to out of state recruits considering where they want to play football.

 

[rpost3]

Just imagine if this game was a night. What a shitshow.
Eventually it will be.

 

[pitt-girl]

Not always true. I got in to Pitt's Business school but not Penn State's in 2007. I know many that got into Pitt and not Penn State and vice versa.

It's not 2007 anymore.

 

[pitt-girl]

For fall 2015, the comparisons are as follows for Pitt main vs PSU main for 1st time freshman admission (according to both school's Common Data Sets for the Pittsburgh and University Park campuses only).
Average incoming GPA: 4.00 vs 3.60
Students having at least a 3.75 GPA: 73.0% vs 35.7%
Students in the top 10% of their high school class: 50% vs 41%
Average of the middle 50 percentile for CR+M+W SATs: 1885 vs 1785

Additionally, GEDs are not accepted for freshman admission at Pitt, and compared to Penn State, Pitt requires:
3 additional units of science labs
1 additional unit of social sciences, and
3 additional units of academic electives.

Pitt also recommends, in order to be a competitive admit, 8 more additional academic units. I know Pitt also strongly recommends that you have AP or IB courses because 92% of admits have those.

The following is a comparison of system-wide admission statistics. This includes the main campuses for each plus all 4 Pitt regionals (including 2-year Titusville), and PSU's 19 branches. However, this does not including the 7,242K undergrad World PSU Campus students that earn identical Penn State diplomas but for which where there are essentially no admissions standards, nor does it include the over 5,514 Penn Tech students.
SAT CR+M+W: 1757 vs 1614
GPA: 3.80 vs 3.35
% with a >= 3.75 GPA: 60% vs 21%
top 10% of high school class: 41% vs 24%.

Now remember 50.2% of PSU students start at their branches, but only 3.8% of PSU baccalaureate degrees are are awarded there. Think about that difference! That's a massive funnel where they promote transfer, so the average student at PSU main is much more in line with their system-wide admission averages. A nice way to game the ranking systems. Comparatively, 31.5% of Pitt students start at the 4 regional campuses (28.7% if you eliminate Associate degree-only Titusville) and 17.8% of baccalaureate degrees were awarded at them. Add to that, there are not guaranteed articulation plans to Pitt main from its regionals.

Boom. Paco always brings it - can't argue with numbers.

 

[CrazyPaco]

It's not 2007 anymore.

It wasn't 2007 in 2007 either.

 

[Burgh15]

The serious problem with college football is fans can and do affect programs. In pro sports, not really. It is about players, owners, coaching and management. But fans and their ridiculous allegiances, and Penn State being probably the biggest cult this side of Scientology, really it is the Radical Islam of college sports or all sports, it does have effect. With social media, people have too much access to players.

Attendance. All I hear is attendance. Funny, you don't hear pro sports teams talk about this. Oh yeah, Steeler fans go in and take over stadiums, but still most trash talk is about the game and the score. You don't have Buffalo Bill fans coming on here claiming #83K strong, like it makes them a superior franchise.

This is a good point. There's been very little discussion regarding the talent on the field, schemes, etc. that you would for a big-time NFL game, where that would be the center of discussion. But really, if you need to focus on attendance as your main talking point, that doesn't say much about your program on the field.

 

[TD_6082]

And now that it is almost hear, I really don't care to play or at least extend this series. It is one thing to hate teams and even fan bases, but this is beyond ridiculous.

The serious problem with college football is fans can and do affect programs. In pro sports, not really. It is about players, owners, coaching and management. But fans and their ridiculous allegiances, and Penn State being probably the biggest cult this side of Scientology, really it is the Radical Islam of college sports or all sports, it does have effect. With social media, people have too much access to players.

Attendance. All I hear is attendance. Funny, you don't hear pro sports teams talk about this. Oh yeah, Steeler fans go in and take over stadiums, but still most trash talk is about the game and the score. You don't have Buffalo Bill fans coming on here claiming #83K strong, like it makes them a superior franchise.

And then all of the scandal stuff, the idolatry and worshipping of a false prophet, the lunacy, Penn State fans looking to try to ruin kids, THEIR OWN STUDENTS! if they dare question or disagree with their narrative, these people who run or ruin anything in their path if they don't get their way.

I don't care if this is a TOS Violation. **** THEM! **** THEIR MOMS FOR HAVING THEM! I don't want anything to do with these weirdos.

Just don't let that stuff bother you. How does it really affect Pitt or the series?

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Just don't let that stuff bother you. How does it really affect Pitt or the series?

It intrudes into my life. And the fact that these smug bastards who care more about their coach and football program than what happened, have no humility, show no remorse and the thought of possibly losing to them is just not fun.

 

[pittman71]

Not only should they not cancel the series I am disgusted they aren't in the same conference. With Pitt and PSU being in different conferences the game really doesn't have much meaning to it besides "bragging rights". Right now Pitt doesn't have a hated rival in football in the ACC and it is kind of boring.

Maybe the Big Ten can expel PSU and the ACC can take them in as a charity case

 

[PhPanther1]

I can't wait for this game to be over. Maybe around Thursday we'll be able to move on and talk about the rest of the year instead of being infatuated with 1 game.