I want a VW computer in my car!!!
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It's nice to know that regulators caught them. Otherwise they may have continued cheating for the next century.
Oh, I'm sure they would have turned themselves in by 2115. After a lot of soul searching..
Actually was research conducted by WVU, of all folks! They devised a way to test the car on the road as opposed to the lab. VW had rigged the computer to operate cleanly when being lab tested, but to revert to the dirtier combustion on the road. The WVU guys saw the difference, about 35% more crap, and then VW hit the panic button. Denied it at first, but then came clean.
What did the Government solve? They are trying to solve pollution problems by requiring manufacturers to meet standards. Obviously, industry cheats, and you need watchdogs like the government to protect the public. Can't rely on "the market" for everything.
Most government standards have the public well being in mind. Sure it adds cost to manufacturers, but it is a trade off the public demands for things like cleaner air and safety.
What did the Government solve? They are trying to solve pollution problems by requiring manufacturers to meet standards. Obviously, industry cheats, and you need watchdogs like the government to protect the public. Can't rely on "the market" for everything.
Most government standards have the public well being in mind. Sure it adds cost to manufacturers, but it is a trade off the public demands for things like cleaner air and safety.
Nothing, they failed to catch it before hundreds of thousands of cars with this "feature" were sold in the US. The EPA has essentially thrown up its hands and told the owners of these cars to go on driving them and eventually VW will fix the software.
I assume the government will force VW to find ways to modify these cars to reduce emissions as much as possible, even up to and including replacing entire engines or fuel systems or whatever.
I would point out that if there wasn't a government watchdog then essentially the same thing would have happened: someone would have found out, there would have been an outcry, VW would have gotten hurt. You can say but without the government where would the standards come from but what is government? People. Acting hopefully on behalf of the wishes of the people. People would find ways to enact standards.
Having the same entity that sets standards also enforce them is probably a mistake. Regulatory capture, who watches the watchmen, etc.
Someone screwed up, they're human also. They owed it, and corrected it. You never made a mistake?
Who watches the watchman? Congress for one through oversight. Second the Inspector General comes to mind. Third, the people through the court system. Contrary to the opinion of the right, it isn't a dictatorship, far from it........
Ask the local Indians if they feel it was corrected.
But the point is there was no problem outside the mine until the government showed up.
The problem has not been corrected... the EPA has told owners of those cars to keep driving them if they want until VW replaces the software and probably the engines too. Whenever that will be.
I don't know where dictatorship came up but considering how much the EPA has been getting slapped down in the courts, authoritarian and overstepping the boundaries set for them by Congress seem warranted descriptions.
It's also kinda cute, the faith you have in Congress and Inspectors General. The courts are about all that's left. Everything else is political and the courts have not been immune to that trend either. Yes Congress is Congress and should be political, that's what it's there for, but the Justice Department has basically been an ass-covering machine and little else for the current administration and the one before it.
Why does government need to be in charge of an abandoned mine anyway? Will they need to take over monitoring all of those fracking sites in PA when the well casings start to fail, because there was no oversight when those locations were drilled?
These Agencies didn't spring from the ground. They were created by the representatives of the people who were sick of polluted air and water, bad drugs and rotten food. I was referring to the polluted river, not the VW problem.
The will of the people is being carried out. When that is no longer the case, the representatives of the people will change the laws. The EPA has done a ton of good. Perhaps you're too young to have seen it, but many here can testify to what the country and environment looked like prior to regulations. Not a pretty sight.
It isn't a "new' problem. There was an accident, by a private contractor, hired by the EPA. Leave it to you to blame those trying to clean things up rather than those who created the problem in the first place.
Don't see the "Free Market" rushing to remediate this and about 500,00 other ticking environmental time bombs in the west where fresh water is so precious.
The free market was working to clean up abandoned mines in that area. See link. Then the EPA came in and we all know what happened.
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."
Your brain-washed robotic thinking is showing through.....From YOUR link:
Permanent water treatment is expensive, and the Animas River Stakeholders Group, which includes the EPA, has been focused on more short-term projects.
The accident occurred during one of these remediation projects, which the EPA was coordinating and paying for with Federal Funds. This group works with the EPA. Imagine that!!!
It was formed by local groups to head off a Superfund designation which the EPA wanted. Of course, the EPA is a stakeholder. But they weren't the driver of the organization.
Then the EPA screwed up and it will get what it wanted all along...control (just like all government wants).
Of Course! HA HA
Thanks for the concession, rare for you!
What about the thousands and thousands of other ticking time bomb abandoned mines full of poison? What's the gameplan for those?
What concession? The EPA is obviously a stakeholder when an environmental clean-up is undertaken - no matter who takes the initiative. The fact remains that the formation of the organization was driven by the free market in order to keep the tourism industry intact. There was a legitimate fear that a Superfund designation would kill the industry.
I will never expect a concession that you were wrong because it isn't in a liberal's repertoire.
Interestingly, there was a letter predicting that the EPA would mess this up in order to get a Superfund designation. The letter was sent less than 2 weeks prior to the incident. The lesson that should be learned is that government plays by its own rules and should never ever be trusted.
Keep spinning your fairy tale. These folks have come around to the notion of Superfund designation because of the enormity of cost associated with the cleanup. Especially since new pollution is rolling in from ongoing mining operations. Do you even read what you link? No, you just cherry pick things and post them out of context to try to bolster your uninformed points.
A conspiracy by the EPA to pollute a river to get their way? You are one paranoid crackpot!
These folks have partnered with the EPA, BLM and other government agencies from the get go in order to clean up the mess that unregulated industry activity laid on their doorstep!
A conspiracy by the EPA to pollute a river to get their way? You are one paranoid crackpot!
These folks have partnered with the EPA, BLM and other government agencies from the get go in order to clean up the mess that unregulated industry activity laid on their doorstep!
Freeport, I can't reply to your post. Apparently, you are some technical wizard that has blocked me. 
It isn't I have that have the conspiracy theory. It is the locals that started it and it grew among some extreme anti-government sites.
"These folks" only came around to a Superfund designation after the EPA disaster. You seem to think the government is both infallible and altruistic. It is neither.
It isn't I have that have the conspiracy theory. It is the locals that started it and it grew among some extreme anti-government sites.
"These folks" only came around to a Superfund designation after the EPA disaster. You seem to think the government is both infallible and altruistic. It is neither.
Do you even understand what the EPA "disaster" was? The contractor was working on a bulkhead to contain the highly polluted water. It would do nothing to clean the water, only contain it. There was an accident causing a flood of contaminated water. That has been stopped.Freeport, I can't reply to your post. Apparently, you are some technical wizard that has blocked me.
It isn't I have that have the conspiracy theory. It is the locals that started it and it grew among some extreme anti-government sites.
"These folks" only came around to a Superfund designation after the EPA disaster. You seem to think the government is both infallible and altruistic. It is neither.
The EPA has done nothing to change anything, the water was there and still needs to be cleaned up. This was one of the projects BLESSED by this organization to contain this problem! This organization has no access to the amount of money that would be required for this undertaking. A mining company has offered a pittance, but only if they are expunged of any responsibility for any more pollution forever! Talk about altruistic! Superfund is the only existing program that can begin to pay for this, and they are running out of $ because the law has not been reauthorized.
Think the local chamber of commerce can fund this? Why should they anyway? How about the state? They would go bankrupt trying to clean up this mess. The EPA is doing their job in trying to protect the environment from a mess caused by unregulated industry. Yet you rail against it without offering any viable alternative. Government bad, Industry good........
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It certainly changed the situation by releasing contaminants throughout the SW US.
I didn't "rail" against anything. I simply said the EPA created a problem. You've been the one "railing" ever since.
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