If Canada becomes our 51st state

[Sean Miller Fan]

Can we adopt their Healthcare system? This would be Reason #1 as to why Canadiens don't want to part of the US....well besides national pride. Canadians love their Healthcare system. Sure, there's some flaws but NOBODY has a more flawed system than the US, who had these bizarre 3rd party middlemen called health insurance companies who stand between you and your doctor. Every single one of you hate health insurance even if you have a "good policy."

I mean this very seriously, if Trump agreed to adopt the Canadien Healthcare system, Canadians could possibly vote to join the US. If they had to adopt this weird US system which uses the creepy middlemen, there's no chance.

And yes, before you say it, US taxes would have to go up but your increased taxes would be lower than your current taxes + health insurance premiums + deductibles + copay + medication. The US spends the most amount on Healthcare per GDP as any major country on Earth? And why is that? The for-profit middlemen.

 

[WCDOC]

Agreed. Our system sucks. But, private insurance is based on and closely tied to Medicare. The 3rd rail. Good luck seeing any meaningful change on either side, unless Trump has the balls to gut and rebuild Medicare, but good luck with that. Elon suggested that we should not pay illegal immigrants Medicaid and MSNBC had a nutty.

 

[NCPitt]

Can we adopt their Healthcare system? This would be Reason #1 as to why Canadiens don't want to part of the US....well besides national pride. Canadians love their Healthcare system. Sure, there's some flaws but NOBODY has a more flawed system than the US, who had these bizarre 3rd party middlemen called health insurance companies who stand between you and your doctor. Every single one of you hate health insurance even if you have a "good policy."

I mean this very seriously, if Trump agreed to adopt the Canadien Healthcare system, Canadians could possibly vote to join the US. If they had to adopt this weird US system which uses the creepy middlemen, there's no chance.

And yes, before you say it, US taxes would have to go up but your increased taxes would be lower than your current taxes + health insurance premiums + deductibles + copay + medication. The US spends the most amount on Healthcare per GDP as any major country on Earth? And why is that? The for-profit middlemen.

I love my healthcare and insurance. I hate what I read about Canada.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I love my healthcare and insurance. I hate what I read about Canada.

Would you agree that most Americans don't like our Healthcare system and most Canadiens like theirs?

 

[NCPitt]

Would you agree that most Americans don't like our Healthcare system and most Canadiens like theirs?

Why would I agree to something that postulate when almost everything you post is wrong?

 

[CCHS82]

Can we adopt their Healthcare system? This would be Reason #1 as to why Canadiens don't want to part of the US....well besides national pride. Canadians love their Healthcare system. Sure, there's some flaws but NOBODY has a more flawed system than the US, who had these bizarre 3rd party middlemen called health insurance companies who stand between you and your doctor. Every single one of you hate health insurance even if you have a "good policy."

I mean this very seriously, if Trump agreed to adopt the Canadien Healthcare system, Canadians could possibly vote to join the US. If they had to adopt this weird US system which uses the creepy middlemen, there's no chance.

And yes, before you say it, US taxes would have to go up but your increased taxes would be lower than your current taxes + health insurance premiums + deductibles + copay + medication. The US spends the most amount on Healthcare per GDP as any major country on Earth? And why is that? The for-profit middlemen.

WRONG! As usual!

My wife and I work with folks in Canada. Canadians are frustrated by the lack of choices, the time that it takes to receive treatment, and the inability to make their own healthcare decisions. Doctors are given restrictive guidelines for testing and treatment.

 

[WCDOC]

I have seen people come here for surgery from Canada and the UK, but the numbers are not that large. Either they can't afford to come here or they don't care (after all, marijuana is legal and accessible).

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Can we adopt their Healthcare system? This would be Reason #1 as to why Canadiens don't want to part of the US....well besides national pride. Canadians love their Healthcare system. Sure, there's some flaws but NOBODY has a more flawed system than the US, who had these bizarre 3rd party middlemen called health insurance companies who stand between you and your doctor. Every single one of you hate health insurance even if you have a "good policy."

I mean this very seriously, if Trump agreed to adopt the Canadien Healthcare system, Canadians could possibly vote to join the US. If they had to adopt this weird US system which uses the creepy middlemen, there's no chance.

And yes, before you say it, US taxes would have to go up but your increased taxes would be lower than your current taxes + health insurance premiums + deductibles + copay + medication. The US spends the most amount on Healthcare per GDP as any major country on Earth? And why is that? The for-profit middlemen.

I mean, a quick google search might be prudent before you post. The first article that came up states that there are deep concerns in primary care…

and if primary care lacks, it would be quite reasonable, for reasonable people of course, to surmise that this will lead to bigger problems and a crashing healthcare system down the road.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/primary-care-canada-10-000-canadians-report-1.7125990

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I mean, a quick google search might be prudent before you post. The first article that came up states that there are deep concerns in primary care…

and if primary care lacks, it would be quite reasonable, for reasonable people of course, to surmise that this will lead to bigger problems and a crashing healthcare system down the road.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/primary-care-canada-10-000-canadians-report-1.7125990

I said it wasn't without flaws. Many Canadien doctors move to the US because its very lucrative here, whereas in Canada it is not. This is definitely the downside to having a not-for-profit Healthcare system. In the US, Healthcare is "big business." Its everywhere in everyday life. Healthcare companies and hospitals competing for you. Insurance companies competing for you. The benefit of this is that you can call up and ask for a knee surgery and get one within a few weeks. It's profitable as hell. On Canada, for non-life treating injuries, like a knee surgery, you are going to have to wait several months, maybe 6 months. For life-threatening conditions, there's virtually no wait.

Would you agree that if Canada was given the choice, they'd opt for lower taxes but instead pay several thousand dollars per year on premiums, deductibles, copays, and medications?

 

[caleco's]

I said it wasn't without flaws. Many Canadien doctors move to the US because its very lucrative here, whereas in Canada it is not. This is definitely the downside to having a not-for-profit Healthcare system. In the US, Healthcare is "big business." Its everywhere in everyday life. Healthcare companies and hospitals competing for you. Insurance companies competing for you. The benefit of this is that you can call up and ask for a knee surgery and get one within a few weeks. It's profitable as hell. On Canada, for non-life treating injuries, like a knee surgery, you are going to have to wait several months, maybe 6 months. For life-threatening conditions, there's virtually no wait.

Would you agree that if Canada was given the choice, they'd opt for lower taxes but instead pay several thousand dollars per year on premiums, deductibles, copays, and medications?

You just got dunked on by three posters and you are still delusional with your question?

I love my healthcare coverage. Its been awesome when i have needed it the moat the last 3 years

 

[HailtoPitt]

Agreed. Our system sucks. But, private insurance is based on and closely tied to Medicare. The 3rd rail. Good luck seeing any meaningful change on either side, unless Trump has the balls to gut and rebuild Medicare, but good luck with that. Elon suggested that we should not pay illegal immigrants Medicaid and MSNBC had a nutty.

If it is based on and closely tied to Medicare...

 

[Richard A]

Can we adopt their Healthcare system? This would be Reason #1 as to why Canadiens don't want to part of the US....well besides national pride. Canadians love their Healthcare system. Sure, there's some flaws but NOBODY has a more flawed system than the US, who had these bizarre 3rd party middlemen called health insurance companies who stand between you and your doctor. Every single one of you hate health insurance even if you have a "good policy."

I mean this very seriously, if Trump agreed to adopt the Canadien Healthcare system, Canadians could possibly vote to join the US. If they had to adopt this weird US system which uses the creepy middlemen, there's no chance.

And yes, before you say it, US taxes would have to go up but your increased taxes would be lower than your current taxes + health insurance premiums + deductibles + copay + medication. The US spends the most amount on Healthcare per GDP as any major country on Earth? And why is that? The for-profit middlemen.

I know a nurse in Canada and she claims there health system sucks. When I asked her why she replied that you have to wait for months for medical care such tests operations. Our system isn’t the best and we know the pharmaceuticals, insurance companies and the middleman are making a fortune. But, when I need a test ordered by doctor I can call UPMC and get an appointment in a reasonable time frame.

 

[jtownknowitall]

Would you agree that most Americans don't like our Healthcare system and most Canadiens like theirs?

No one hates our healthcare system until they get to experience it first hand. Spend four days laying in a hospital bed with no diagnosis while your empty IV bag beeps constantly for an hour and a half until someone stops by to check on you.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

No one hates our healthcare system until they get to experience it first hand. Spend four days laying in a hospital bed with no diagnosis while your empty IV bag beeps constantly for an hour and a half until someone stops by to check on you.

Yeah I’m with you. Nursing is spread thin and UPMC keeps growing and growing.

Our healthcare is nothing to brag about. Canada’s isn’t any better.

 

[pittbb80]

Canada’s single-payer healthcare system forced over 1 million patients to wait for necessary medical treatments last year. That’s an all-time record.

Those long wait times were more than just a nuisance; they cost patients $1.9 billion in lost wages, according to a new report by the Fraser Institute, a Vancouver-based think-tank.

Canadians Are One In A Million -- While Waiting For Medical Treatment

Americans shouldn't fall for rosy promises. As Canadians know all too well, when the government foots the bill for healthcare, patients are the ones who pay the biggest price.

www.forbes.com

The Canadian Health Care Myth

I recently had the opportunity to listen to two Canadian citizens discuss the Canadian health care system and their personal experiences within it. They were a very successful, middle-aged couple who had been involved in a motor vehicle ac...

www.americanthinker.com

 

[jtownknowitall]

It’s happening in the USA too

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Yeah we need to stop this "everything we do in the US is the bestest in the world". I don't know if Canada is one we should emulate, but it should alarm folks than in almost every quality of life ranking, the biggest most powerful country in the world usually doesn't rank in the top 15 of any topic, especially healthcare.

We may have the best doctors, we likely do. But we have perhaps the most corrupt insurance and middlemen which drive up costs significantly.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

I know nurses leaving UPMC making $85 per hour and choosing to to AHN to make $65 per hour because they just can’t take it at UPMC anymore and be a part of the inadequate care they are providing.

 

[pittbb80]

Yeah we need to stop this "everything we do in the US is the bestest in the world". I don't know if Canada is one we should emulate, but it should alarm folks than in almost every quality of life ranking, the biggest most powerful country in the world usually doesn't rank in the top 15 of any topic, especially healthcare.

We may have the best doctors, we likely do. But we have perhaps the most corrupt insurance and middlemen which drive up costs significantly.

One of the biggest differences is our reliance on pharmaceuticals as wel as the shit we allow to be in our food. Our medical profession is run by big pharma. Thats no the case in Europe. Our drs treat symptoms with drugs rather than eliminating the root cause. You can trace most of the health issues to diet, drugs and lack of exercise. This the cost of treatment is insanely high with poor outcomes. RFK is spot on.

So yeah out healthcare model sucks for sure But if you need surgery we likely have the most skilled surgeons in the world. But to your point the insurance scam makes that ungodly expensive as well.

Having said that single payer is not the panacea that everyone thinks

 

[jtownknowitall]

I know nurses leaving UPMC making $85 per hour and choosing to to AHN to make $65 per hour because they just can’t take it at UPMC anymore and be a part of the inadequate care they are providing.

Duke Lifepoint doesn’t appear to be any better than UPMC. It has become a national crisis.

I had to cancel a routine dental cleaning appointment in November. The earliest I could be rescheduled is in May.

I noticed I couldn’t see out of one eye in June. My optometrist referred me to an ophthalmologist. He couldn’t see me until October and then couldn’t schedule me for surgery until February.

I took a friend to the hospital for a gall bladder issue on Monday. She was still in the ER on Friday until she could be transported to AHN in Pittsburgh for surgery. Surgery was scheduled for 8AM. They finally came for her at 2AM the next day only to find they couldn’t do the surgery.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yeah I’m with you. Nursing is spread thin and UPMC keeps growing and growing.

Our healthcare is nothing to brag about. Canada’s isn’t any better.

OK, so in reviewing this a little, it does seem that Canada is behind Europe. I would say this is probably due to lower pay and Canada and not enough incentive for doctors not to head south.

Anecdotally, I asked a friend what his Canadien relatives thought of it and they say they love it. Its one family. I dont know any Canadiens. My friend, BTW, is a big Republican, huge Obama hater, and even he admits that his family loves the Canadien system. I would say though that whether or not Canada becomes part of the US, Canadiens would DESPISE the US style system of lower taxes but $5K-$10K per year out of pocket on Healthcare even if it meant shorter wait times. Hospital bills are such a crazy and foreign idea to everyone but Americans.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yeah we need to stop this "everything we do in the US is the bestest in the world". I don't know if Canada is one we should emulate, but it should alarm folks than in almost every quality of life ranking, the biggest most powerful country in the world usually doesn't rank in the top 15 of any topic, especially healthcare.

We may have the best doctors, we likely do. But we have perhaps the most corrupt insurance and middlemen which drive up costs significantly.

I believe the US medical infrastructure is so advanced that if we flipped the switch tomorrow and charged higher taxes but "free" Healthcare for everyone, everyone would pay less in total and you'd receive the same care.

 

[pittbb80]

I believe the US medical infrastructure is so advanced that if we flipped the switch tomorrow and charged higher taxes but "free" Healthcare for everyone, everyone would pay less in total and you'd receive the same care.

If we stopped funding every other countries defense and stopped wasting tax dollars on fraud and waste maybe we could have nice things like free health care or no taxis to better afford health care

 

[NCPitt]

Duke Lifepoint doesn’t appear to be any better than UPMC. It has become a national crisis.

I had to cancel a routine dental cleaning appointment in November. The earliest I could be rescheduled is in May.

I noticed I couldn’t see out of one eye in June. My optometrist referred me to an ophthalmologist. He couldn’t see me until October and then couldn’t schedule me for surgery until February.

I took a friend to the hospital for a gall bladder issue on Monday. She was still in the ER on Friday until she could be transported to AHN in Pittsburgh for surgery. Surgery was scheduled for 8AM. They finally came for her at 2AM the next day only to find they couldn’t do the surgery.

Huh. I called my PCP for a referral to a dermatologist and was asked "can you come in right now?". I saw the dermatologist 3 days later. I called for a colonoscopy and was scheduled within 2 weeks. I had to cancel that appointment and was again scheduled within 2 weeks.

No problems down here in conservativeland.

 

[joeydavid]

WRONG! As usual!

My wife and I work with folks in Canada. Canadians are frustrated by the lack of choices, the time that it takes to receive treatment, and the inability to make their own healthcare decisions. Doctors are given restrictive guidelines for testing and treatment.

I have friends and family in Canada. I can't say that any of them dislike their healthcare system. The ones who left the U.S. and are now citizens, like the Canadian system quite a bit better.

In the U.S., doctors are also given restrictive guidelines for testing and treatment.

In both countries, if your primary care provider doesn't provide something, you can always pay for it yourself. I have coverage but also use a concierge service for just that reason.

 

[jtownknowitall]

Huh. I called my PCP for a referral to a dermatologist and was asked "can you come in right now?". I saw the dermatologist 3 days later. I called for a colonoscopy and was scheduled within 2 weeks. I had to cancel that appointment and was again scheduled within 2 weeks.

No problems down here in conservativeland.

I waited long enough for a dermatologist once that the condition went away before the appointment

 

[NCPitt]

I waited long enough for a dermatologist once that the condition went away before the appointment

Its your choice where you live.