If I had an imaginary son that was a D1 recruit...
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I would not.
Because while coach K is a great coach and recruiter...... I do not like how he has been given a total "pass" on things that have happened in his program, and there have been things, documented, no doubt about it.
Other coaches have had NCAA victories vacated for things that they did, but when Coach K was involved in the same things nothing was pressed on Duke and nothing happened.
............see Cory Magette................. no different than what happened to UMass re Marcus Camby or going way way way back Villanova and Howard Porter..............
we can bring more.
Because while coach K is a great coach and recruiter...... I do not like how he has been given a total "pass" on things that have happened in his program, and there have been things, documented, no doubt about it.
Other coaches have had NCAA victories vacated for things that they did, but when Coach K was involved in the same things nothing was pressed on Duke and nothing happened.
............see Cory Magette................. no different than what happened to UMass re Marcus Camby or going way way way back Villanova and Howard Porter..............
we can bring more.
Jack Kraft
Yes he was the coach - no he was not implicated in any wrong doing from what I remember. I was only 10 years old at the time but have taken an interest in these things and history. There are many forgotten stories of NCAA basketball that I love to relive. The forgotten story of East Tennessee State almost beating a #1 seed for one. But that is another chapter.
This story is about a kid who signed with an agent sometime in his 2nd semester senior year.
As far as what has been reported and known in all these years - here is my summation.
Villanova - Jack Kraft - Howard Porter - Signed with Agent - No Evidence Coach Knew Anything - Final Four Vacated
UMass - John Calipari - Marcus Camby - Signed with Agent - No Evidence Coach Knew Anything - Final Four Vacated
Duke - Coach K - Cory Magette (2nd Semester Freshman Year) - Signed with Agent - No Evidence Coach Knew Anything - NOTHING HAPPENED AFTER 3 YEAR INVESTIGATION
Double Standards.
This post was edited on 3/30 7:05 PM by CentPaPittFan
Yes he was the coach - no he was not implicated in any wrong doing from what I remember. I was only 10 years old at the time but have taken an interest in these things and history. There are many forgotten stories of NCAA basketball that I love to relive. The forgotten story of East Tennessee State almost beating a #1 seed for one. But that is another chapter.
This story is about a kid who signed with an agent sometime in his 2nd semester senior year.
As far as what has been reported and known in all these years - here is my summation.
Villanova - Jack Kraft - Howard Porter - Signed with Agent - No Evidence Coach Knew Anything - Final Four Vacated
UMass - John Calipari - Marcus Camby - Signed with Agent - No Evidence Coach Knew Anything - Final Four Vacated
Duke - Coach K - Cory Magette (2nd Semester Freshman Year) - Signed with Agent - No Evidence Coach Knew Anything - NOTHING HAPPENED AFTER 3 YEAR INVESTIGATION
Double Standards.
This post was edited on 3/30 7:05 PM by CentPaPittFan
Sure, but MSU has WAY better looking girls, and way more of them.
That would be very important to my imaginary son, just as important as his imaginary magna cum laude degree in biomedical engineering.
You have to consider these things when raising an imaginary son.
That would be very important to my imaginary son, just as important as his imaginary magna cum laude degree in biomedical engineering.
You have to consider these things when raising an imaginary son.
Re: Agents and Players
I've never understood how a coach can claim ignorance about this kind of situation.
The coaches and the players are in extremely close contact for a long period, particularly in basketball. Impoverished kids suddenly sporting bling and new cars HAS to raise a red flag.
I mean, even a guy who was known to play pretty loose with the recruiting rules like Mike Gottfreid was able to find out that several of his players were taking money from an agent and kick them out.
Maybe old school guys like Kraft weren't around their players enough to know but Calipari and K are always talking about how close they are with their players. Either they are blind or chose to be blind.
I've never understood how a coach can claim ignorance about this kind of situation.
The coaches and the players are in extremely close contact for a long period, particularly in basketball. Impoverished kids suddenly sporting bling and new cars HAS to raise a red flag.
I mean, even a guy who was known to play pretty loose with the recruiting rules like Mike Gottfreid was able to find out that several of his players were taking money from an agent and kick them out.
Maybe old school guys like Kraft weren't around their players enough to know but Calipari and K are always talking about how close they are with their players. Either they are blind or chose to be blind.
If I had an imaginary son I would want him to be coached by John Wooden since this is an imaginary situation anyway.
Re: No school that employs Graham gets my vote for anything.
Fair enough.
If you ever waver a bit on that position, Google "ASU spring break Lake Havasu" or some variation of that.
You'll be wearing an authentic Todd Graham-issue ASU pullover the next day.
Fair enough.
If you ever waver a bit on that position, Google "ASU spring break Lake Havasu" or some variation of that.
You'll be wearing an authentic Todd Graham-issue ASU pullover the next day.
Duke may have as many One and Dones as Kentucky has this year. Please, let's stop with the notion that the Dukies are a bunch of good solid, students and kids. They may have been, but there have been as many early departures from Duke lately as North Carolina.
Again, it is brand definition and recognition. The Dukies have had their program propped on a pedestal, but look how look it took for a rapist like Rusheed Sulaimon to be dismissed from the Duke team. Coach K had to know about the charges.
College sports is just big business. It is the NFL and NBA, only they are run by egg head nerds who mostly were bullied in school, and now they get to act like the cool kids (think college presidents) and the football or basketball coach is the KING BULLY and dominate figure on campus getting millions of dollars, even when the schools are otherwise cutting academic programs.
Please stop this illusion.........that college sports, at least big time college sports is anything about the "student athlete".
Again, it is brand definition and recognition. The Dukies have had their program propped on a pedestal, but look how look it took for a rapist like Rusheed Sulaimon to be dismissed from the Duke team. Coach K had to know about the charges.
College sports is just big business. It is the NFL and NBA, only they are run by egg head nerds who mostly were bullied in school, and now they get to act like the cool kids (think college presidents) and the football or basketball coach is the KING BULLY and dominate figure on campus getting millions of dollars, even when the schools are otherwise cutting academic programs.
Please stop this illusion.........that college sports, at least big time college sports is anything about the "student athlete".
Re: From the Cheap Seats; Plausible Deniablility, works in politics,
Never be STUPID ENOUGH to give in. I can't see how anyone would confess to a crime and accept punishment if they can get away with it? For example, I'm avoinding jail at ALL COSTS, no matter what I did, or who I killed and buried, no amount of "guilt" is going to have me volunteer for a life in a "cage".
There are 18 McDonald's All Americans in the Final Four this year. 17 of them play for Duke or Kentucky. The only difference between them is that Cal is seen as an outlaw, while K is seen as a saint. K is always lauded as the best coach of this era, but I'll take Jim Calhoun over him all day. K has an endless stream of McDonald's, and Parade All Americans, while Calhoun took over a nothing program, and won 3 titles with mostly 3 and 4 star guys.
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