If Wanny had Gallagher and Barnes as bosses, does he succeed?

[miko33]

Just a speculation thread on what could have been. If I had to venture a guess, I think Wanny would have been able to get better talent if he was given more resources. A number of his schemes - especially defensively - were not terribly bad and would have worked better with better players. I don't think his coaching was the worst in CFB ever, but clearly he wasn't the sharpest scheme guy either. He could recruit very well, and if he had Barnes and Gallagher in his corner I believe he would still be coach today.

JMHO. Thoughts?

 

[OriginalEther]

No.

His biggest ally was Nordenburg.
And as much as people will want to turn this into a Pederson discussion, Jeff Long was the AD for the first three years. You know, the three years Pitt missed bowls. And Pitt actually poached a Bcs coordinator under Pederson.

In theory, Wannstedt would have benefited from ACC tv revenue the way Narduzzi, Barnes, and Gallagher are, though that would probably be offset by the tougher competition in the ACC.

 

[Las Panteras]

Nordenburg.....


....... Gallagher....Peterson.........

Barnes.......

That wannstedt couldn't land a legit big time qb.......it wouldn't matter who was in charge

 

[Chucky Green]

Dave never understood the importance of the quarterback, either college or pro. He just wanted to hand it off to Shady/Dion/etc 50 times a game. He was trying out high school baseball pitchers for quarterback (unreal). And I liked Dave. He seemed to have it all going except for the one guy that touches the ball on every play.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Just a speculation thread on what could have been. If I had to venture a guess, I think Wanny would have been able to get better talent if he was given more resources. A number of his schemes - especially defensively - were not terribly bad and would have worked better with better players. I don't think his coaching was the worst in CFB ever, but clearly he wasn't the sharpest scheme guy either. He could recruit very well, and if he had Barnes and Gallagher in his corner I believe he would still be coach today.

JMHO. Thoughts?

No, Wanny had a decent staff the last 2 years. Cignetti, Hafley, Gattuso, Bennet, Wise. He wasn't the "CEO" type to be hands off and team fed off him. When he said WVU game wasn't a big deal in 2009 team took him to heart and lost. When he was wound up tighter than a drum for UCONN in 2010, team played like that also.

You could have the admin from OSU or any other football factory and the results would have been the same.

But I will say that if you give wanny a team where all 22 players line up and are better than their corresponding opponent, his team will not lose. If he was coach in 1982 he would not have lost. But 95% of the coaches out their can do that also. Exception of course being Foge Fazio and Paul Hackett

 

[OriginalEther]

No, Wanny had a decent staff the last 2 years. Cignetti, Hafley, Gattuso, Bennet, Wise. He wasn't the "CEO" type to be hands off and team fed off him. When he said WVU game wasn't a big deal in 2009 team took him to heart and lost. When he was wound up tighter than a drum for UCONN in 2010, team played like that also.

You could have the admin from OSU or any other football factory and the results would have been the same.

But I will say that if you give wanny a team where all 22 players line up and are better than their corresponding opponent, his team will not lose. If he was coach in 1982 he would not have lost. But 95% of the coaches out their can do that also. Exception of course being Foge Fazio and Paul Hackett

I'm not sure about that last paragraph. See Ohio, Uconn, Navy, Bowling Green, Uconn, etc.
Unless you mean literally all 22 players, not just the vast majority.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

I'm not sure about that last paragraph. See Ohio, Uconn, Navy, Bowling Green, Uconn, etc.
Unless you mean literally all 22 players, not just the vast majority.

I mean literally 22 of 22. He wasn't a scheme, coach 'em up kind of guy. You lined up and were responsible for taking care of your man.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

Nordenburg.....


....... Gallagher....Peterson.........

Barnes.......

That wannstedt couldn't land a legit big time qb.......it wouldn't matter who was in charge

...and Wanny reportedly meddled into the workings of the OC, and his gameday coaching was lacking.

Was there a worse coaching job than what we witnessed when Pitt hosted Rutgers in 2008? Pitt went into the game positive that Rutgers was gonna run the ball on practically every down.

But Rutgers coach Greg Schiano shocked Wanny and Pitt by taking the handcuffs off his quarterback, Mike Teel, who responded by throwing six TD passes - five in the first half - en route to a 54-34 shellacking of #17-ranked Pitt.

Teel finished with 14-of-21 for 361 yards. Not bad for a team that wan't expected to pass the ball.

Pitt wasted Shady McCoy's performance; he ran for 146 yds and four TD's.

 

[mattohhh]

Wanny couldn't control his players. There was so many off the field issues that I'm not sure how much longer he would have had if the continued... I remember when this article, http://www.si.com/more-sports/2011/03/02/cfb-crime , came out.

 

[OriginalEther]

Wanny couldn't control his players. There was so many off the field issues that I'm not sure how much longer he would have had if the continued... I remember when this article, http://www.si.com/more-sports/2011/03/02/cfb-crime , came out.

While he definitely had some cementheads during his tenure....disproving the lack of commitment to winning so many here preach.....That article was an utter hack job.

 

[HailtoPitt]

It wouldn't have mattered with Wanny, except he would have gotten the new carpet Stevo refused him out of pettiness.

Think about this for a second. Wanny had half of the first team all conference playing for him in the same year they were all conference. I'm not sure any team has accomplished that, perhaps ever. Plus he had guys starting who were second team all conference. That team had the Big East offensive player of the year AND both co defensive players of the year.

And still came in third place in the Big East. If you can't win your conference with the best players, then you are not a good coach. Good recruiter... Yep. But certainly not a good coach.

Think about what Narduzzi and Canada could have done if half of the ACC all conference first team played for Pitt. Dear Lord if Canada has Dion Lewis, Ray Graham, Hynoski, Baldwin, Dickerson and Byham, not to mention other speedy guys in that mix.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Just a speculation thread on what could have been. If I had to venture a guess, I think Wanny would have been able to get better talent if he was given more resources. A number of his schemes - especially defensively - were not terribly bad and would have worked better with better players. I don't think his coaching was the worst in CFB ever, but clearly he wasn't the sharpest scheme guy either. He could recruit very well, and if he had Barnes and Gallagher in his corner I believe he would still be coach today.

JMHO. Thoughts?

No. He always would tighten up and play not to lose and choke.

Don't get me wrong, I think Wanny with this group would be much better off. But until a Wanny would hire say a Matt Canada type as OC and step out of the way, and aggressive DC who isn't afraid to blitz..........he was never getting this team over the top.

Shame too, because other than his conservative game day tendencies, he was the perfect fit here.