You make a valid point. But blaming the fans is not right , their are fans that have sunk a lot of money into Pitt past 30 years to get a royal screwing only
If we only win 3-4 games, do we consider firing HCPN
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You make a valid point. But blaming the fans is not right , their are fans that have sunk a lot of money into Pitt past 30 years to get a royal screwing only
No way. Even at 1-11, his job is extremely safe. I do think Partridge is the next DC and he needs to bring in a big-time recruiter.
We only lose 4 senior starters if you dont count Browne and JJS (who has to be losing his job soon).
We only lose 4 senior starters if you dont count Browne and JJS (who has to be losing his job soon).
Back to back 8-4 regular seasons gets him 5 years guaranteed, even at back to back 1-11s and we're not going 1-11 back to back. Its somewhere between 2-10 and 4-8 this year and somewhere between 5-7 and 8-4 next year.
The most likely scenario of Narduzzi not being here in the next 2 years is if Dantonio retires or is "encouraged" to and they hire Narduzzi.
We shall all see. That's the beauty of all this, we can all agree to disagree, and MICH ST wouldn't take him right now. Also this is Pitt, expect the unexpected always
I agree.... you got to have assistants ...longer than a year...... look at Canada for example...
Message board wisdom says hey coach " go run for the money".... reality shows now Pitt and Canada likely to get burned...,horrible move where he could have built at Pitt a few years... LSU struggled to beat Cuse... lol
Just like the conventional wisdom that says Pitt made the offer too late? Says who? And every time I ask I get some vague nonsense that always turns into Pirates talk which has nothing to do with Pitt football.... again who says so?
Chryst was terrible at Pitt. Inherited a 6-6 team and left a 6-6 team and Wisconsin was foaming at the mouth for him. Pitt is viewed as a very tough place to win and MSU will take him no questions asked even after 1-11....and we're not going 1-11, maybe 3-9 and that makes his case easier
We made a bowl under him every year he was here and to be honest, he was the reason our O was so good last year , and I am not a fan of sleepy
As for Duzz, his D is alarming considering that's his go to and his recruiting is way below ACC level. I don't blame Duzz for having a bad D in year 1, not even year 2, but holy hell, this is year 3 and still stinks
Why wouldn't MSU take him if there is any truth to the Pitt job being his training? Chryst did less at Pitt (a Youngstown loss on his resume to boot) and how did that work out with Wisconsin?
Ironic you citing that time will tell. You were completely wrong on the Canada hire, and you were the only one here with a chubby after the Stallings hire.
His D , when he is fully in charge blows , his recruiting very very avg, I don't know , I think they can do better.
I don't think he should be fired after this year (which will be a disaster) and I am still on the fence as to whether he is a good coach, but if he goes 3-9 this year and 3-9 in year 5 then "MAYBE (you'll) change your time"? MAYBE?!?! That would be clear as day he can't get it done and some of our fans would only MAYBE think about moving on if a 5th year coach goes 3-9?!?! Wow.
The Beamer comparison is so stupid and lazy. The situations were not remotely similar and the landscape and $$ on the line were unbelievably different.
This post is dripping with irony. You call chryst horrible for going 6-6, but then are going to give a pass if pitt goes 3-9 this year?
If things go off the rails, he should get 2018 to right the ship, but his seat should be very hot. It isn't even so much about the record as it is aboout the fact the defense has shown no improvement.
Finally, if people are going to keep on saying narduzzi needs time to recruit his own players, then you have to admit a large portion of the two 8-4 years was because of chryst. You can't give credit for going 8-4 his first two years, then in his third year blame a bad season on chryst. That is absolutely asinine.
A good coach can have a down year if the talent is young...the pribalem for pitt is it lacks talent...at almost every position,once whitehead and Henderson leave and even Weah this team won't have any talent at all...and the way recruiting is going it's going to get a lot worse....especially with the way this staff fails with player developement
NarduZzi is on 3 offensive coordinators in 3 seasons.
His defensive staff is abysmal and consistent.
His defensive staff is abysmal and consistent.
Good observation!
HCPN was an asst all his career.
Now as a HC he must adjust to being a HC and trusting and relying on assts to do important things like this!
Its really easy for " doers" to have trouble delegating important tasks that they always did to others which causes two problems. The "under utilization" of quality assts and the "overload" of a quality HC.
If HCPN assts are not up to speed that presents another problem.
Not saying this is the case but could be a developing issue.
I worry most about his recruiting , when is the last time he was a doer in that ? He didn't much at Michigan St. He is failing himself and Pitt in that aspect as of right now.
Why? VT wasn't shit before Beamer.... what Pitt did in 76 or 80 doesn't matter.... its rebuilding and that takes time effort and patience I don't care what era it is....
I think Narduzzi needs a strong assistant who can recruit.... think Dixon when he had stuff firing
Bingo!
Every non-land grant school is at a disadvantage when it comes to rebuilding and sustaining a winning program. There are built in obstacles that take longer to over come (money, smaller alumni base) especially true when you are an urban school not named USC or Miami.
It took so long at VT because they didn't cheat and did it the right way. For that, you need patience. They were willing to give Beamer the time and money it would take to get the program stable and winning. QB is the key. Once they got Jim Druckenmiller followed by Michael Vick, things fell into place...
Even thinking about firing Narduzzi would be the absolute worse thing you could do. Every school is looking to get their school to the next level. Schools with much bigger alumni, money, resources and tradition can't get it right either. These schools have already fired their coach or talking about it and are still struggling; ND, Texas A&M, LSU, Texas, Nebraska, Florida, etc...
Who would have thought anything different coming from The Squirrel Hill Raincloud!
You've "never" made a positive PITT post that I've read but I admit I don't read all your posts who has time to read 40k + message board posts????
The wind in Pittsburgh is expected to pick up to 6-7 mph enough to move the Squirrel Hill Raincloud out of town for the afternoon.
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He needs help in that fight so we would hope the new AD Lyke is or will support him in this effort.
Everyone needs to be all in, not one foot in and the other ready to run if things get tough which is lkely!
PITTs AD's have been a speed bumps in the effort to get PITT football and basketball into the fast lane.
No.
If that were the case, you may as well fire him now. Because that is what Pitt is going to win this year. 3 or 4, maybe 5. With the young defense, the QB play the mediocre offensive line, and WR's how could they win more?
Foge you could tell in year one wasn't going to work and thought he should be fired after year 3. Same with Hackett.
Narduzzi is coming off two good seasons and beating PSU & Clemson. It is foolish even to comment on this. He gets 5 years, but if this year plays out like it started, and next year is more of the same, I would say the seat would be somewhat warm in year 5.
But I could see the MSU thing coming into play next year if Dantonio is out. I think they would make a move on him average record or not. And I think he would bite since I get the sense he may feel like Chryst that the admin isn't all in.
Narduzzi is coming off two good seasons and beating PSU & Clemson. It is foolish even to comment on this. He gets 5 years, but if this year plays out like it started, and next year is more of the same, I would say the seat would be somewhat warm in year 5.
But I could see the MSU thing coming into play next year if Dantonio is out. I think they would make a move on him average record or not. And I think he would bite since I get the sense he may feel like Chryst that the admin isn't all in.
No!
Wouldn't want Lyke to be responsible for the replacement coach search!
Lets hope HCPN gets things back on track!
Wouldn't want Lyke to be responsible for the replacement coach search!
Lets hope HCPN gets things back on track!
Why? Because he was being paid $80k. The sport wasn't remotely the same and Beamer was a cheap option where VT was hoping for something but not committing much to him.
I agree what happened 40 years ago doesn't matter. Neither is a 30 year in past hire when they landscape had massively changed and that program was under sanctions. It isn't similar.
Probably not.
Can she do worst than SP? Probably not. He's a two time loser!
We shouldnt use those two as AD poster boys.
PITT does a terrible job of hiring AD's.
I'll put this decision off until we hire an AD who has had the experience, job scope, contacts, to make a top P5 hire!
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The OC's went onto Georgia and LSU respectively. This board ripped into Chaney, and there were critics of Canada early on.
More than likely she would go after the Eastern Michigan coach she hired. He has done a pretty good job. Moorhead at PS, a Walt disciple, would be another probable candidate. Jason Candle at Toledo might be another name.
