Is college football in the early stages of free agency?

[RaleighPittFan]

I can look back on my declining interest in NFL football, and pinpoint FA as the beginning of the decline.

I hope I'm not able to do the same in a few years with college football and the transfer portal.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcspor...-have-been-approved-for-transferring-players/

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I can’t for the life of me figure out why fans are against this. I get coaches cause they want to stockpile backups but as a fan, how is this a bad thing?

If a player leaves, it’s because he isn’t getting playing time or the team stinks. That’s it.

 

[Saboteur]

I can look back on my declining interest in NFL football, and pinpoint FA as the beginning of the decline.

I hope I'm not able to do the same in a few years with college football and the transfer portal.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcspor...-have-been-approved-for-transferring-players/

Yes.

 

[DC_Area_Panther]

I can look back on my declining interest in NFL football, and pinpoint FA as the beginning of the decline.

I hope I'm not able to do the same in a few years with college football and the transfer portal.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcspor...-have-been-approved-for-transferring-players/

I can’t for the life of me figure out why fans are against this. I get coaches cause they want to stockpile backups but as a fan, how is this a bad thing?

If a player leaves, it’s because he isn’t getting playing time or the team stinks. That’s it.

I understand the point completely about the NFL. My interest has waned considerably since free agency began. Also, once upon a time I was a big Major League Baseball fan and an NBA fan--but of particular teams not the entire sports league. I stopped following the NBA and baseball once free agency hit. When you are a fan, at least when in my younger days, your team's guys were your heroes and you perceived them as being as loyal to the team you loved as you were as a fan. They became kind of a like a family members in your psyche. Free agency has killed that and you now regard a star, or even just a starter, leaving your team for more money very cynically. You have a feeling inside that the guy is a traitor. In turn, new guys coming in are regarded like carpet baggers since you know they have no loyalty except to themselves.

Aside from the personal loyalty aspect, If full free agency hits college sports then the result will be that the "blue bloods" will become even more entrenched than they are currently and the lesser programs will be hurt. Just think of the Cam Johnson transfer to UNC as happening all the time and everywhere. Players will move not because they are riding the bench but because they see better opportunities for glory elsewhere on a bigger winner or for making it in the pros. School loyalty will be dead.

 

[Farnox]

Unfortunately, that seems to be they way it is trending. As mentioned before, the following scenario emerges. Lightly recruited kid goes to mid level school and does very well. Blue blood comes along and tells kid to transfer to our school and have chance for national championship. The kid then bails on school that took a chance on him for the blue blood glory.

The blue bloods will then use the lower P5 schools as a "minor league" to poach proven players. Why take a chance on a unproven recruit when you have a proven quantity? Liberal transfer rules will simply make college sports much worse.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

News Flash New Transfer Rule for Coaches and Players:

Coaches-
You sign a contract with a program.You're expected to stay for the duration of the contract.
If you decide to leave the program prior to
the expiration of your contract, you don't get paid, and you cannot coach another college program until your contract expires.

Players-
You commit to a D1/P5 program.
If you leave that program you'll be required to sit out one full college year no exceptions which includes hardship exceptions.

For 5th year grad students the rule in place stands.

How difficult would it be to simplify the rules, make them strict, and black and white. No exceptions!

Rules are easy to follow when they make sense and are simple.

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go PITT & CSU Rams!

 

[pittdan77]

Aside from the personal loyalty aspect, If full free agency hits college sports then the result will be that the "blue bloods" will become even more entrenched than they are currently and the lesser programs will be hurt. Just think of the Cam Johnson transfer to UNC as happening all the time and everywhere. Players will move not because they are riding the bench but because they see better opportunities for glory elsewhere on a bigger winner or for making it in the pros. School loyalty will be dead.

This is the biggest downside. But locking kids in isn't good for them at all. As much as the Cam Johnson situation was terrible for Pitt, him staying had very few positives for him and I don't know that Pitt gains a whole lot, either. The problem is that the NCAA doesn't regulate the process well and the member schools have zero desire to do anything about it.

 

[lilspainishflea]

Transfers are good for kids and the sport. You can't force a kid to be stuck on a team for 4 years if he can't get any playing time. It's just not healthy or acceptable to force an unpaid kid to miss some or all of his playing career because of scenarios beyond his control (e.g., coaching change, some other kid develops into a superstar, etc.). That said, the Blue Bloods can't be encouraged to use lower-ranked P5 and G5 schools as a developmental league. The only way to do this is to severely limit the number of transfers that any school can accept in one year and over a full class. Maybe 1-2 transfers per school, per year, and 4-8 total over 4 years. That way both schools and kids need to mostly honor their commitments. And if you screwed up by committing to Ohio State and can't see the field and are desperate for playing time, you transfer to a school that has been honoring its commitments to players and just really needs you.

You just can't have Alabama and Clemson poaching all of the best players from lower-ranked P5 and G5 every single year. It will ruin the sport the way that superteams, LA, and Miami have ruined the NBA.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Unfortunately, that seems to be they way it is trending. As mentioned before, the following scenario emerges. Lightly recruited kid goes to mid level school and does very well. Blue blood comes along and tells kid to transfer to our school and have chance for national championship. The kid then bails on school that took a chance on him for the blue blood glory.

The blue bloods will then use the lower P5 schools as a "minor league" to poach proven players. Why take a chance on a unproven recruit when you have a proven quantity? Liberal transfer rules will simply make college sports much worse.

I see this happening in hoops, I really don't ever see this being anything close to the norm in college football.

Selfishly speaking, I think pitt is ok with hoops and football. we are kind of safely in the middle. not anything to worry about with being consistently poached but not exactly being able to have our choice from mid majors either.. we'll get the occasional Cam Johnson defection and we will be able to get the Millin type from a Mac school but nothing that will help us or hurt us too much..

 

[Las Panteras]

The Pacific Pro League will transform CFB far more than the transfer portal.

It's coming, and it will be seismic.

 

[paulbl99]

The top 30 schools don’t need the 5 power conferences...

They could break out, form their own league and rules and run their own championships in FB and Men’s B B ...nobody gives a diddlers diddley about women’s and Olympic sports.
They could find a way to get around those nuisances.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

The Pacific Pro League will transform CFB far more than the transfer portal.

It's coming, and it will be seismic.

Signed: Chowderhead

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

The Pacific Pro League will transform CFB far more than the transfer portal.

It's coming, and it will be seismic.

is this sarcasm? seismic? a 4 team league that no one heard of will cause seismic transformation in CFB..

stop it..

 

[Pitt79]

The top 30 schools don’t need the 5 power conferences...

They could break out, form their own league and rules and run their own championships in FB and Men’s B B ...nobody gives a diddlers diddley about women’s and Olympic sports.
They could find a way to get around those nuisances.

That wouldn't effect me, I'd watch Pitt playing D3 vs. CMU over Bama/Clemson.

 

[Pitt79]

is this sarcasm? seismic? a 4 team league that no one heard of will cause seismic transformation in CFB..

stop it..

These secondary pro leagues will never top CFB in interest. because people don't follow CFB for the "quality of play" it's, because they follow their schools. This AAF that just started, I think, they should open that to kids that don't want to go to school, so they have an option. But they won't fill stadiums.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

These secondary pro leagues will never top CFB in interest. because people don't follow CFB for the "quality of play" it's, because they follow their schools. This AAF that just started, I think, they should open that to kids that don't want to go to school, so they have an option. But they won't fill stadiums.

no, of course it wont.. you think a P5 conference is worried about a league that no one heard about? of course not..

to think anyone will choose to play in this league over major college football is insane. maybe someone that didn't qualify but that's it. this league will compete for the kids who don't qualify and have to go JUCO route.. or maybe the few who get kicked off a college team..

 

[Pitt79]

no, of course it wont.. you think a P5 conference is worried about a league that no one heard about? of course not..

to think anyone will choose to play in this league over major college football is insane. maybe someone that didn't qualify but that's it. this league will compete for the kids who don't qualify and have to go JUCO route.. or maybe the few who get kicked off a college team..

But I could see kids trying to go to the AAF if they where eligible and didn't want to bothered with school. There the pay is decent ($250K/3 years) and you'd get major TV exposure, if the thing lasts.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

But I could see kids trying to go to the AAF if they where eligible and didn't want to bothered with school. There the pay is decent ($250K/3 years) and you'd get major TV exposure, if the thing lasts.

wasn't this theory all the rage a few years ago with high school hoopers going to play in Europe for a year vs playing college hoops? We all talked about how college hoops would lose a lot of the higher 'one and dones" to Europe, that never happened..

in theory, we make these predictions and year in and year out, college football and hoops remains on top..

 

[Pitt79]

wasn't this theory all the rage a few years ago with high school hoopers going to play in Europe for a year vs playing college hoops? We all talked about how college hoops would lose a lot of the higher 'one and dones" to Europe, that never happened..

in theory, we make these predictions and year in and year out, college football and hoops remains on top..

I'm not saying it would be enough to hurt CFB, but some players might opt for that. Especially if they suck academically.

 

[paulbl99]

That wouldn't effect me, I'd watch Pitt playing D3 vs. CMU over Bama/Clemson.

You and 29 others. You’ll watch crap we know that

Pitt could play where the Hound Dogs or whatever the SoufSide soccer team is call.
With seats to spare.

 

[Pitt79]

You and 29 others. You’ll watch crap we know that

Pitt could play where the Hound Dogs or whatever the SoufSide soccer team is call.
With seats to spare.

But the TRUE PITT FANS, would be there with me, you would be exposed as NOT A REAL FAN, because you'd bail on Pitt to watch "higher quality" sports. Sad, you're NOT A TRUE PITT FAN.

H2P! Pitt FIRST!

 

[paulbl99]

But the TRUE PITT FANS, would be there with me, you would be exposed as NOT A REAL FAN, because you'd bail on Pitt to watch "higher quality" sports. Sad, you're NOT A TRUE PITT FAN.

H2P! Pitt FIRST!

You’re full of it....


I’ll match the games been to watched or listened to on the radio with you any time.

Just saying the combination of 2nd tier Pro leagues and the Big Boy Football programs could kill CFB.....as we know it...

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

I'm not saying it would be enough to hurt CFB, but some players might opt for that. Especially if they suck academically.

well if they suck academically, they aren't gonna be qualified regardless. this will hurt a few juco programs who have relationships with P5 coaches.

 

[Pitt79]

You’re full of it....


I’ll match the games been to watched or listened to on the radio with you any time.

Just saying the combination of 2nd tier Pro leagues and the Big Boy Football programs could kill CFB.....as we know it...

And I'd still be watching every Pitt game, even if their roster was slow WPIAL guys playing against W&J instead of a Super League game between Bama and Clemson, because I'm a TRUE PITT FAN.

How many games been too, watched or listened to? I have probably watched every Pitt game I could since like 1974, literally hundreds of games.

But that's not the issue here, I'd still watch Pitt above all others, even if they became D3 and it was me and 29 others, you'd be watching the "big boys" instead of THAT CRAP, your words not mine.

H2P!

 

[paulbl99]

And I'd still be watching every Pitt game, even if their roster was slow WPIAL guys playing against W&J instead of a Super League game between Bama and Clemson, because I'm a TRUE PITT FAN.

How many games been too, watched or listened to? I have probably watched every Pitt game I could since like 1974, literally hundreds of games.

But that's not the issue here, I'd still watch Pitt above all others, even if they became D3 and it was me and 29 others, you'd be watching the "big boys" instead of THAT CRAP, your words not mine.

H2P!

Got you beat by a decade. At least

 

[Pitt79]

Got you beat by a decade. At least

LOL, I wasn't even in pre school a decade before 74.

 

[paulbl99]

And I'd still be watching every Pitt game, even if their roster was slow WPIAL guys playing against W&J instead of a Super League game between Bama and Clemson, because I'm a TRUE PITT FAN.

How many games been too, watched or listened to? I have probably watched every Pitt game I could since like 1974, literally hundreds of games.

But that's not the issue here, I'd still watch Pitt above all others, even if they became D3 and it was me and 29 others, you'd be watching the "big boys" instead of THAT CRAP, your words not mine.

H2P!

You and 29 others.

Pitt draws in the teens some times ( bad weather bad games) as a member of a P5!!,,,,
If CFB gets turned upside down Pitt wouldn’t fill up the Dog Pound along the River

 

[President Stache]

I can look back on my declining interest in NFL football, and pinpoint FA as the beginning of the decline.

I hope I'm not able to do the same in a few years with college football and the transfer portal.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcspor...-have-been-approved-for-transferring-players/

Pretty simple. If you want to get into the transfer portal, you should have to give up your current scholarship. Then the student has a serious decision to make. Not sure if this is already the case, but it should be

 

[raleighpanther]

This is the biggest downside. But locking kids in isn't good for them at all. As much as the Cam Johnson situation was terrible for Pitt, him staying had very few positives for him and I don't know that Pitt gains a whole lot, either. The problem is that the NCAA doesn't regulate the process well and the member schools have zero desire to do anything about it.

Cam Johnson graduated from Pitt. He should be able to transfer and play immediately. It won't hurt younger players if they are allowed to transfer at will, but have to sit out a year, with no eligibility lost. This would give kids the freedom they deserve, but would keep transfers from getting out of control.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

The grad transfer rule rewards athletes who did it right academically. Can’t see the harm in this at all.

 

[McKee Place]

The grad transfer rule rewards athletes who did it right academically. Can’t see the harm in this at all.

It's not the only factor, but it definitely increases the trend of 4 and 5 star players considering strictly blue bloods only even if it makes it highly likely that they may never see the field there. Before the grad transfer rule, that was a bigger risk. Now the guy has the safety valve that even if he's buried and never plays at a Michigan, USC etc, which would normally end his NFL chances... he can transfer to a lowly Pitt, probably be given a starting job, and a chance to still impress the NFL. Good for Pitt if it works out, but only for one year.

Would be better all the way around for the Pitt and similar schools of the world to have more of a fighting chance to get these guys at the start, for 3 to 4 years. It is more a result of the massive number of scholarships that allow the Bamas, etc to stockpile 3 and 4 depth chart levels of top star players. And the ... is questionable character the right term -- the weird willingness of guys to sit, to possibly not play at all for maybe for their full career, to ride the coattails of a near-sure winner vs.taking a chance to lead a mid pack team to a higher level. But the grad transfer safety valve also makes that tactic more attractive.

But that's just a disgruntled fans gripe. Overall, for those grad transfer players themselves, it's a good thing.

 

[paulbl99]

LOL, I wasn't even in pre school a decade before 74.

You started late....
way late


But I forgot, you’re a Millennial well almost
lol