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Is it fixable?

I would say the hallmark of the program under Capel has been instability. There is no foundation for anything, no identity at all, and it’s been a re-shuffled deck of cards each year. In short, he hasn’t built anything.
And out of his mouth in a PSN interview he speaks of Cuse’s zone and how they “recruit to it”. What exactly does he recruit to? I think he’s enamored with length and athleticism but that’s not an identity.
 
I'm all about bleeding blue and gold, but this team is not one that I would risk my life with. This isn't a political statement on Covid. But, in the event that you got Covid watching this team and then eventually died, that just a horrible way to go. I imagine others think that way too, but admitting it would make you look like a sissy. I'm a sissy then.
 
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The answer to your question has many dependencies. First and foremost; what is considered "fixed"? If your definition of fixed is that we're competitive (mostly) in the ACC and we make the tournament most years, then I would say it's fixable. If your definition of "fixed" is that Pitt will challenge for the ACC title and a high seed in the tournament, I'm going with no. All that said, what are the positives and negatives that Pitt has going right now? Also, there one huge unknown.

On the positive side, basketaball is one sport that a few great players can turn things around quickly. In addition, the portal now makes some decent and experienced players available which also could help a quick turnaround. Pitt has a first class facility that should be attractive to recruits. Also, Pitt being a city school should be attractive, since many recruits don't want to spend 3-4 years in a cow pasture. Thirdly, Pitt plays in a historically strong league which is appealing to top recruits (and coaches). Pitt has shown some level of willingness to pay reasonably well for coaches (it's not a stretch to say that Pitt is grossly overpaying for Capel given the performance). Finally, Pitt can clearly offer huge playing time to anyone who can fog a mirror.

On the negative side; the current team is a complete train wreck with virtually no talent. Who wants to play with other guys who stink? We've now hired two consecutive coaches who failed miserably. What up-and-coming coach would be willing to jeopardize their reputation on a reach? We're also on the hook for millions of dollars in contract commitments to Capel which will reduce the amount we have to spend on a new coach. We have a fan base that has been completely turned off for several years. While the ACC is an attractive league to play in, it's also not easy to climb the ladder in this league. Finally, the portal is a two edged sword....you can pick up some good players, but you can also lose significant chunks of your roster at any time.

For me, the big unknown is the long-term impact of NIL. More to the point, how will Pitt react to NIL and will they be willing and able to play the game?
My bottom line (I think) is that we can get the program turned around, but it's going to take a lot of vision, hard work, and some luck to get things moving in the right direction. It certainly isn't going to happen under Capel.

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A lot of good points, but this frequent Lair refrain of an urban school somehow being more attractive to recruits in any sport is simply a fiction. It just doesn’t have any basis in fact or practice. None. If anything, the evidence would seem to show the opposite.
 
A lot of good points, but this frequent Lair refrain of an urban school somehow being more attractive to recruits in any sport is simply a fiction. It just doesn’t have any basis in fact or practice. None. If anything, the evidence would seem to show the opposite.

The urban thing isn't an advantage or disadvantage. 90% of Top 150 kids play at basketball factories far from home. They will go ANYWHERE and I mean ANYWHERE if they like the coach and now, I guess if they get a good NIL deal. This isnt 1993 where Northeast kids dreamed of playing on Big Monday and in MSG.
 
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I'm still part of the fanbase and I'm still here. I may regret it, but I'm still a fan.

If Capel and this team can only win 1 or 2 more ACC games the rest of the year, and that has a high probability of happening, I wouldn't be surprised to see 500 - 800 at the last couple of home games. So it can get worse.

You can't blame that on the fans. We all know who is responsible for that erosion of the fanbase.
You don’t watch or attend as you’ve noted
So why the consternation ?

don’t worry , those of us who actually support pitt athletics will carry the financial weight
 
For years I have said they need to reprice everything and start at bargain basement pricing. $150/season (no donation) for upper season tickets. $300 for lower non-clubs.
The price is not keeping people out of the Pete .
You and old man winter should refrain from discussing financial issues
 
There is probably someone who can fix this. When I say fix, I want to qualify I am talking about maybe 500 in conference and 18-21 wins overall. That to me would be the ceiling for this program, the Holand/Dixon era success will likely never be repeated here, at least while we're in the ACC.

As for any new coach, the right amount of money can generally sway anyone. Having said that, any good coach will consider the recent history of our program. This has become a very Hard place to recruit top 150 basketball players. It ain't just HCJC, Dixon was no longer getting plan A recruits or even plan B for that matter. There has been much discussion here on the Lair as to what the reasons are for the poor recruiting. I think ultimately we have been close to a few really good players only to lose out in the end. Until we can figure out exactly why we can't win these battles, even a new coach is going to run into the same issues. I think they know and understand the problem, but, until we win a big recruit, to me, it remains unaddressed.

We have to be sure to get the right guy next time. We don't want to become known as a place where coaches are repeatedly bought out due to their failures. It is not good for our athletic budget or the coach, who does get his money, but, loses future credibility. I think as Pitt fans we are all spoiled by the success we had in the recent past. We all long for it to return. I was happy with a competitive team this year, but, it now looks like the perennial Capel collapse is underway and I have to say all Pitt fans deserve better than this in year 4. I just hope if we do make a new hire at years end, it doesn't result in more of the same issues, and just a different guy running the show. Bottom line, this is fixable, but, honestly, I am not sure given a random name as a new coach, the odds are any better than 50/50 that by year 3 he meets my qualification mentioned above.
 
There is probably someone who can fix this. When I say fix, I want to qualify I am talking about maybe 500 in conference and 18-21 wins overall. That to me would be the ceiling for this program, the Holand/Dixon era success will likely never be repeated here, at least while we're in the ACC.

As for any new coach, the right amount of money can generally sway anyone. Having said that, any good coach will consider the recent history of our program. This has become a very Hard place to recruit top 150 basketball players. It ain't just HCJC, Dixon was no longer getting plan A recruits or even plan B for that matter. There has been much discussion here on the Lair as to what the reasons are for the poor recruiting. I think ultimately we have been close to a few really good players only to lose out in the end. Until we can figure out exactly why we can't win these battles, even a new coach is going to run into the same issues. I think they know and understand the problem, but, until we win a big recruit, to me, it remains unaddressed.

We have to be sure to get the right guy next time. We don't want to become known as a place where coaches are repeatedly bought out due to their failures. It is not good for our athletic budget or the coach, who does get his money, but, loses future credibility. I think as Pitt fans we are all spoiled by the success we had in the recent past. We all long for it to return. I was happy with a competitive team this year, but, it now looks like the perennial Capel collapse is underway and I have to say all Pitt fans deserve better than this in year 4. I just hope if we do make a new hire at years end, it doesn't result in more of the same issues, and just a different guy running the show. Bottom line, this is fixable, but, honestly, I am not sure given a random name as a new coach, the odds are any better than 50/50 that by year 3 he meets my qualification mentioned above.
Pitino would fix this within 2 seasons. That's who we need.
 
You could make that argument. But when BYU leaves, the WCC goes back to being just Gonzaga, SMC and 8 mid-majors. I don't think any WCC team has made the NCAAT besides those 2 + BYU in the last 20 years.
A decent chance USF changes that this year, they have a real shot at an at large bid.
 
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A lot of good points, but this frequent Lair refrain of an urban school somehow being more attractive to recruits in any sport is simply a fiction. It just doesn’t have any basis in fact or practice. None. If anything, the evidence would seem to show the opposite.
The point is that there is most certainly an audience of athletes (and students in general) who prefer an urban setting.
 
Forget about by Capel. I’m talking about for any coach, given the depths to which the program has sunk, and the real world challenges facing Pitt as a basketball school? Or is the program too far gone at this point, and are the hurdles too high to overcome?

If you think it’s fixable, what would it take and who could do it? Could Pitt even get the type of coach that would have a shot at getting it done? Where are the recruits that can elevate the program going to come from? Pitt is a fish out of water as a northeastern city school that now finds itself trying to fit in on Tobacco Road. If Capel with his background and ACC chops can’t bring them in, who can?

I have always believed the right coach can turn around any program, and that the right coach for any program is out there somewhere. And it’s not just the name guys or flavor of the week. It might be somebody that wasn’t a hot commodity and that we’ve never heard of, like Howland was.

After what has happened at a Pitt over the last several years, I don’t really feel that way anymore.
I think Capel can fix it just needs 2 big time recruits problems is since Dixon left we have no stability recruits will not come if the coach that recruits them won’t be here after a few yrs. I wouldn’t won’t to Commit to that. Now if Capel is here and Lyke comes out and say we’re committed to are coach I think we can get a big time recruit to commit. If we fire Capel now there is no one out there that will fix this.and you show recruits you don’t stand by your coach. This will get worse smh
 
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It won’t get worse, it shows recruits we don’t stand for mediocrity and support the growth of Pitt Basketball not the demise. Nobody goes to a program to lose , and right now we are losers!! Change needs made asap!!
 
Right now it isnt. But if they made an attractive hire, we'd sell it out if priced for a bottom-level P6 program
It’s never kept people out of the Pete

It could be free and the attendance wouldn’t nominally change
If you don’t understand that - you shouldn’t talk on this topic
 
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My check isn’t contingent on the coach .

even during stallings my check didn’t change- I did ask for it to not go towards men’s basketball - but had no way to validate it
Well if you are specifically asking for your donation NOT to go to men's basketball, I guess you are happy with the crap we have seen then huh?
 
It won’t get worse, it shows recruits we don’t stand for mediocrity and support the growth of Pitt Basketball not the demise. Nobody goes to a program to lose , and right now we are losers!! Change needs made asap!!
22-77 in last 99 conf games.
 
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