College football is what it is. We can either stand on the sidelines complaining or adjust. If we are willing to play the NIL game we can restock at key positions and go after another trophy. The question is are we willing?
Is Pitt Willing To Go All In?
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So you're saying what? You don't believe Pitt is able to lure a few O Line recruits a a receiver? We don't need a USC type overhaul; just a few holes plugged with quality guys. We have to be able to afford that.
Well “we” is the fanbase and we’re pretty cheap so probably not.
There are two separate Pitt NIL booster things already currently out there -
Now are folks actually donating to those ?
Doesn’t seem like it .
We are the rate limiting step - not pitt
Depends on the quality of recruit you are trying to lure. Paris Johnson 's father was on the Pitt staff and he went to tOSU anyway. Will Pitt outbid the heavies for stud O-linemen?
Quality O-line prospects are harder to secure than most any other position. Especially here. Brian O'Neill was the last really good O-lineman out of Pitt and he was a 2* TE out of high school.
Unless some rich alumni/fanboy opens up his wallet to the tune of 7 figures, Pitt being a serious player in the NIL game for top 100 recruits seems a longshot.
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Yeah, exactly. Obviously Pitt is "all in", weve done many things in the past that was all in. But if we offer a guy 2 mil and someone else offers 4 mil, that isnt us not going all in, that is just being out bid.
I still think the entire NIL thing is so dumb.
Your definition of "all in" is that of a fan who is happy with 8-4.
My definition of "all in" is a much higher bar.
As much as fans want to rip the program, it is a sleeping giant IF THEY GO ALL IN.
They are nowhere near that level of commitment. There is no evidence (financially to be specific) to suggest otherwise and as such will never be much more than we are at this moment.
There is no marketing around it. What are its goals? How much do they plan to pay players? Most Pitt fans have never even heard of it. They need to come out and say they plan to pay players $30K/year and this is how much we need to do it and market for it. I want to know what I'd be giving to. I want straight pay for play.
We don't even have a stadium and you are seriously wondering if Pitt would go 'all in' with NIL?
what little kid asked this question ?
yeah , they are.
more than he knows.... he is a plain faced moron asking a dumb question . definitely was born in the 80s .
yeah , they are.
more than he knows.... he is a plain faced moron asking a dumb question . definitely was born in the 80s .
NIL isn’t organized by the schools .
If you misunderstand that basic flaw in your premise - it’s clear NIL confuses you
I actually think we have some notable alumni who are well-off enough to give money for the NIL but the issue is that you have to organize those alumni together and the issue is that who with the alumni trust to properly distribute the funds to player a or player B? I think if there were like a booster club group that was independent of the school that was well organized like all they have at places like Texas and Texas A&M and Michigan etc we would see a lot of notable alumni give.
He’s confused about anything that doesn’t include sitting on his couch and bitching while rolling his Pennies
I was thinking more about the portal than high school recruits. Portal people seem more interested in trying to ensure their career involves the NFL. These highest bidder high school kids aren't worth fighting over. Of course big name guys will almost always cost...retreads seem to be the way to go.
Has Pitt increased the recruiting budget to that of the biggest?
Has Pitt expanded the facilities to compare with the biggest?
Has Pitt budgeted coaching salaries to lure the top coaches/recruiters to want to come here?
Has Pitt publicly announced they have formed a task force to fund an OCS?
And each of the above.....clear signs of a program that is serious about football.....requires how many NIL dollars?
Crickets.........
And im the one confused?
D-
Not even a passing grade.
Just so I know kind of where you’re coming from can you explain about what you mean when you say facilities? Because I actually think that their practice facility is a plus since kids can watch how pros perfect their craft. Is this really all about just an on-campus stadium?
Just saw a post on Facebook panther fanatics group complaining about having to pay a donation to renew season tix. Something literally pretty much school requires. Our fanbase doesn't understand college athletics and what it takes to fund.
I guess "all-in" for you means equal to or more than the "biggest". If so, then Pitt will never be all-in. Only one can be the biggest - by definition, and that one will never be Pitt.
But that doesn't allow your conclusion that Pitt isn't "serious about football". Its facilities and budgets put it far into the "serious about football" category.
Yes
The op is about nil
Pitt literally won the acc last season, stupid .
And he’s recruiting budgets. Facility upgrades , and coaching budgets have all increased substantially
Shush stupid
Spending is not a problem for Pitt. Revenue is
Gee who controls that ?!?
Because I don't know, what is the difference between Pitt saying:
Your season ticket requires a donation of $$$ vs. Your season ticket price has increased by $$$. People general accept and expect season ticket increases every year or two. Donations feel like they should be optional, so I get the reaction from some season ticket holders.
Because donations are lagging otherwise
And it doesn’t matter
Hell a $250 donation gets you North Club and $500 for sideline clubs .
Do you know how insanely stupidly cheap that is ?!?
Depends on the definition of “all-in” being used.
Like being able to compete with others for that UTEP OL that everybody wants?
Or just throwing in whatever Pitt is able to throw in, and compete for whatever OL quality that is?
Like being able to compete with others for that UTEP OL that everybody wants?
Or just throwing in whatever Pitt is able to throw in, and compete for whatever OL quality that is?
I've pointed this out before, when we played in the 2002 Sweet 16 in Lexington I bought tickets through the Kentucky ticket office, so for years afterwards I was on their mailing list and received the magazine that their athletic department put out. At the time, Kentucky was an SEC bottom feeder in football. One of the issues of the magazine had an ad for football season tickets. It showed the required donation levels to buy tickets in the various areas of the stadium. Their donation levels for football tickets were higher in 2002 than Pitt's are in 2022.
If Pitt raised their donation levels to match the schools that so many fans here expect us to compete with people would have an absolute fit.
If you want to put numbers on it, to sit in the lower level in the center sections as a WVU season ticket holder the total cost this past year, tickets plus donation, was $865 ($500 donation and $365 for the ticket). What would that ticket plus donation have been for Pitt? Less than $400? To sit where I do, in the first row of the upper level at the 40 yard line, for me that was (iirc) $365 total cost, ticket plus donation. At WVU that same seat, ticket plus donation would run you $790 ($425 donation and $365 for the ticket).
And we could do this at every seating "level". I pay a $100 per seat donation for my tickets. Someone at WVU would pay a $425 donation for the same seats. That's the difference between Pitt and schools that are "all in". The schools that are "all in" get a ton more money in donations from their alumni and ticket holders.
Pitt fans pay tuna fish prices (and complain that they are paying too much) and bitch that they don't get caviar results.
And we could do this at every seating "level". I pay a $100 per seat donation for my tickets. Someone at WVU would pay a $425 donation for the same seats. That's the difference between Pitt and schools that are "all in". The schools that are "all in" get a ton more money in donations from their alumni and ticket holders.
Pitt fans pay tuna fish prices (and complain that they are paying too much) and bitch that they don't get caviar results.
Pitt's doing pretty well then averaging 7.25 wins per season over the past two decades compared to just 5.9 wins per season for Kentucky.
Pitt's doing pretty well then averaging 7.25 wins per season over the past two decades compared to just 5.9 wins per season for Kentucky.
That's right. As I said, we pay tuna fish prices and expect caviar results.
And then (to extend the fish analogy) bitch when we get cod results.
Now the NCAA (aka, the schools) have outsourced payola to the donors legally, Pitt needs eight and nine figure donors to engage with with a concerted pay for play campaign.
That’s what All In means now. The problem is that for the past 40 years, Pitt chased away meaningful donors (aka those willing to pay players, because this is and always has been absolutely what has always been necessary for championships…and why we haven’t won any in that time).
So the “big donor” culture is gone for Pitt, likely forever. Thanks to Pitt itself.
It’s ok, it’s really too late anyway; the deal is done. Pitt and many like us will no longer be playing football in approx ten years.
That’s what All In means now. The problem is that for the past 40 years, Pitt chased away meaningful donors (aka those willing to pay players, because this is and always has been absolutely what has always been necessary for championships…and why we haven’t won any in that time).
So the “big donor” culture is gone for Pitt, likely forever. Thanks to Pitt itself.
It’s ok, it’s really too late anyway; the deal is done. Pitt and many like us will no longer be playing football in approx ten years.
But you’re missing the point - it’s about having revenue and donations to increase the war chest to invest and improve .Pitt's doing pretty well then averaging 7.25 wins per season over the past two decades compared to just 5.9 wins per season for Kentucky.
Kentucky $52.7m for their men’s athletics compared to Pitt’s $45m
Why ?
Because Kentucky generates $6mil more in revenue for men’s sports than pitt
For as mediocre at best Kentucky football is ?
They only earn $4.5mil less revenue than pitt football
I didn't miss any point by making a joke about the average wins per season for both teams for the past 20 years.
Pitt has to identify what portion is donation for tax purposes.
They already have an absolute fit.
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