Its finally over

[Sean Miller Fan]

This was really one of Capel's worst teams. The ACC was much better for the early Capel teams. This team had the benefit of the worst the ACC has ever been. We were extremely lucky vs Ohio State and got WVU early before they started playing Tony Bennett defense. We wouldn't score 40 vs them now.

Just a really really bad team. Total rebuild next season as only Cummings and maybe Kante return. What a waste of a season. Capel is absolutely coaching for his job next season. These losses to UVa, FSU, and ND are just despicable. ND down 2 starters. Come on, man. This may be Capel's 2nd worst team.

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

18th in the AP poll on December 2nd

That was a while ago

 

[pittbb80]

News flash. It’s been over

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

18th in the AP poll on December 2nd

That was a while ago

We were never good. WVU was early. OSU was lucky. We literally haven't played a good game since.

 

[Protes]

A colossal disappointment. Next year could be very, very ugly.

 

[Gunner Panther]

A colossal disappointment. Next year could be very, very ugly.

If he runs back the same staff next year, we deserve every bit of that ugliness.

 

[Parkview57]

It will be over when Capel is done...not until.

 

[GomerTV]

A colossal disappointment. Next year could be very, very ugly.

It will unless there's more NIL$ and a new coach.

 

[The Brush Crush]

Hopefully Capel accepts that NIT bid, so we can boo him some more

 

[Thee Jackie Treehorn]

Hopefully Capel accepts that NIT bid, so we can boo him some more

Don't be so sure that NIT bid is even coming this year.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

You don't really believe this. A 4-point win against GT and we'll be talking about how many ACCT games Pitt has to win...

 

[ebonylover40]

A colossal disappointment. Next year could be very, very ugly.

You say that, but then look at the Ville, and what a real coach who knows what he is doing. What, 10 new players? It can be done if you get the right coach. Capel's problem is that he doesnt have a pulse, and his team follows suit. When he has seniors as his main players, it works some because they have experience, so his coaching like he is in the NBA works a little better.

He cannot return as coach of this team. One of the Pittsburgh teams need to move on from these long tenured coaches. Pitt basketball should take the initiative. Capel has truely hurt Pitts program. 1 tournament in 8 years. Other than Stallings 3 win season, or however many it was, Capel has really done no better. Especially since he has had a much longer stay. This loss today is unforgiveable.

 

[tetonpanther]

Heather signed him up through 2030. Im sure ADAG is thrilled

 

[Parkview57]

Pitt basketball should take the initiative.

I agree, but I just think that there are too many years left to buy-out. Hopefully he can put an experienced group together by 2026-2027 and get into the tourney with it....best I can do.

 

[12162022]

Heather signed him up through 2030. Im sure ADAG is thrilled

He knew it was there but took the job. I'm guessing they'll buy him out.

 

[9782978]

This was really one of Capel's worst teams. The ACC was much better for the early Capel teams. This team had the benefit of the worst the ACC has ever been. We were extremely lucky vs Ohio State and got WVU early before they started playing Tony Bennett defense. We wouldn't score 40 vs them now.

Just a really really bad team. Total rebuild next season as only Cummings and maybe Kante return. What a waste of a season. Capel is absolutely coaching for his job next season. These losses to UVa, FSU, and ND are just despicable. ND down 2 starters. Come on, man. This may be Capel's 2nd worst team.

Unless he is willing to move to a team on Pitt’s level or lower, Lowe is not going anywhere. A second guard or sixth man at best.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

It will unless there's more NIL$ and a new coach.

We paid NCAAT money for this team but without the results. NIL wasn't the issue

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

You don't really believe this. A 4-point win against GT and we'll be talking about how many ACCT games Pitt has to win...

Probably. Need to win out and make the ACC Championship Game. Chances of doing this: lower than 1%

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Unless he is willing to move to a team on Pitt’s level or lower, Lowe is not going anywhere. A second guard or sixth man at best.

Lowe will get $1 million in the SEC

 

[Ray-Ray]

You don't really believe this. A 4-point win against GT and we'll be talking about how many ACCT games Pitt has to

You don't really believe this. A 4-point win against GT and we'll be talking about how many ACCT games Pitt has to win...

You may be talking about that, but I doubt anyone else will be. Pitt is done for the year.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Well he just does a seven man rotation with barely even a substitution. Dribble drive offense no movement. Man d no rotating. Little evidence of trying to play strengths/weaknesses. I mean what hell that’s it.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I agree, but I just think that there are too many years left to buy-out. Hopefully he can put an experienced group together by 2026-2027 and get into the tourney with it....best I can do.

Has to make the NCAAT next year. 0% chance he gets 2026-27 without an NCAAT appearances. 0%. Pay the buyout and sue Heather for malpractice

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

You may be talking about that, but I doubt anyone else will be. Pitt is done for the year.

Ha. I've known this team wasn't good for a few months. But basketball-first fans are bit of a different breed when it comes to accepting reality/peddling optimism. I think it's just the culture the sport breeds (high fives after every free throw; high fives from the entire bench just for coming out of the game; etc.). It's just different.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Sue Heather for malpractice

Easily the worst AD in Pitt history. She'll never be acknowledged as such, because the damage she caused didn't manifest while she still held the position. But it's possible she laid the groundwork for the literal demise of Pitt athletics.

1) Coaching hires as a whole were subpar
2) Resisted NIL at a time when it needed to be embraced
3) Gave Capel a huge extension for merely finally doing what he should have been doing anyway
4) Gave Narduzzi a massive extension when no one else wanted him and we only outbid ourselves
5) Left Pitt in a financial predicament that is arguably the worst in the P4. Don't feel like searching for all of it now, but there was an SI article published about the awful financial shape UCLA is in, and we are actually worse.

Victory Heights might have been a good idea in her own head, but it went over about as well as Venezuelan Communism. You need to make sure the sports that matter are in good shape before you try to convince everyone that non-revenue sports matter. They don't mean a damn thing if football/basketball are reeling. But hood rich Heather went out and splurged on that Caddy while her house is falling apart.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

We paid NCAAT money for this team but without the results. NIL wasn't the issue

Yup. Austin, Dunn, Corhen were market. Lowe and Leggett get a ton but at a discount.othets are compensated well too.

 

[pittizit]

Lowe will get $1 million in the SEC

Good riddance

 

[JD1976]

Good riddance

Yep. Give $500k to Beebah and use the other $500k for an impact big man.

 

[SteelCityChamps]

Sum of (Ish + Lowe + Dunn + Austin +...) >> 2025 Team

That completely speaks to coaching.

Good coaches have the team greater than sum of the parts.

I actually hope it's a total rebuild next year.
Cummings and Papa back would be nice for young pieces.

Other than that we need a new group.

Completely wasted a year of two top guards, elite 3/D wing and a solid 7-8 rotation. On the coach to make it work.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yup. Austin, Dunn, Corhen were market. Lowe and Leggett get a ton but at a discount.othets are compensated well too.

Lowe and Leggett took a discount but I doubt it was significant. Its not like they took half price. Maybe 80%-90% of what they could have gotten. This was a well-paid team. It's not Duke or SEC paid but it's paid plenty enough to get to the NCAAT.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Yep. Give $500k to Beebah and use the other $500k for an impact big man.

500 is too much for him, right now. Maybe 250.

 

[TD_6082]

Easily the worst AD in Pitt history. She'll never be acknowledged as such, because the damage she caused didn't manifest while she still held the position. But it's possible she laid the groundwork for the literal demise of Pitt athletics.

1) Coaching hires as a whole were subpar
2) Resisted NIL at a time when it needed to be embraced
3) Gave Capel a huge extension for merely finally doing what he should have been doing anyway
4) Gave Narduzzi a massive extension when no one else wanted him and we only outbid ourselves
5) Left Pitt in a financial predicament that is arguably the worst in the P4. Don't feel like searching for all of it now, but there was an SI article published about the awful financial shape UCLA is in, and we are actually worse.

Victory Heights might have been a good idea in her own head, but it went over about as well as Venezuelan Communism. You need to make sure the sports that matter are in good shape before you try to convince everyone that non-revenue sports matter. They don't mean a damn thing if football/basketball are reeling. But hood rich Heather went out and splurged on that Caddy while her house is falling apart.

2 & 5 were by far the worst.

For all the complaining about the extensions for Capel and Narduzzi, what she did is fairly standard practice across the board. If a coach takes a program to a level it hasn't achieved in a while, they get handsomely rewarded.

And apparently some schools, like Wisconsin, extend the coach just because.

Luke Fickell contract: One-year extension pushes Wisconsin coach's deal through 2031 on heels of 5-7 campaign

The Badgers historically hand out one-year extensions at the conclusion of each season

www.cbssports.com

 

[TreesHero]

Competent big men. Get them. Win.

Capel has no trouble landing guards.

 

[Parkview57]

Competent big men. Get them. Win.

Capel has no trouble landing guards.

Agreed...but will Capel know how to use them, will he focus on it, practice it, find really good guards who buy in with unselfish play and who will give the ball up at the right time? Capel's history here makes the implementation seem questionable...

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

For all the complaining about the extensions for Capel and Narduzzi, what she did is fairly standard practice across the board. If a coach takes a program to a level it hasn't achieved in a while, they get handsomely rewarded.

Some truth to that but that doesn't exempt her from blame. She was paid a lot of money to make big decisions and those were the wrong ones. Extending Capel Midway through Year 2 just because he was displaying signs of turning it around was way way too early. Should have waited until the end of the season because we tanked after the January extension. Then, he goes from would have been fired if not for that extension, to 12 months later, being given a lifetime contract for sneaking into the NCAA Tournament. Again, too early.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

2 & 5 were by far the worst.

For all the complaining about the extensions for Capel and Narduzzi, what she did is fairly standard practice across the board. If a coach takes a program to a level it hasn't achieved in a while, they get handsomely rewarded.

And apparently some schools, like Wisconsin, extend the coach just because.

Luke Fickell contract: One-year extension pushes Wisconsin coach's deal through 2031 on heels of 5-7 campaign

The Badgers historically hand out one-year extensions at the conclusion of each season

www.cbssports.com

Well, Capels first 4 seasons here are a big part of the reason why it had been a while. Not sure he should have been rewarded like he was for getting Pitt to a level it arguably should be at most seasons anyway. Last 4 in/First 4 out sounds about right. And it's not like he made some magical run in the tournament.

Keatts got a 2-year extension for taking NC State to the Final Four, and he's still making less than Capel with that bump.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

For all the complaining about the extensions for Capel and Narduzzi, what she did is fairly standard practice across the board. If a coach takes a program to a level it hasn't achieved in a while, they get handsomely rewarded.

For all the complaining about Narduzzi's extension, when that happened there were only a few of us who said it was a bad idea. The vast majority of the people on this board, probably at least 90%, thought it was a great idea.

There are a lot of Monday morning quarterbacks here on Narduzzi's extension.

 

[TD_6082]

For all the complaining about Narduzzi's extension, when that happened there were only a few of us who said it was a bad idea. The vast majority of the people on this board, probably at least 90%, thought it was a great idea.

There are a lot of Monday morning quarterbacks here on Narduzzi's extension.

It's mostly irrelevant. It's not like Pitt boosters are going to pony up the $20 mil per year it takes to compete at a high level. Pat Narduzzi can deliver mediocre football just as well as anyone else Pitt could bring in.

 

[12162022]

Easily the worst AD in Pitt history. She'll never be acknowledged as such, because the damage she caused didn't manifest while she still held the position. But it's possible she laid the groundwork for the literal demise of Pitt athletics.

1) Coaching hires as a whole were subpar
2) Resisted NIL at a time when it needed to be embraced
3) Gave Capel a huge extension for merely finally doing what he should have been doing anyway
4) Gave Narduzzi a massive extension when no one else wanted him and we only outbid ourselves
5) Left Pitt in a financial predicament that is arguably the worst in the P4. Don't feel like searching for all of it now, but there was an SI article published about the awful financial shape UCLA is in, and we are actually worse.

Victory Heights might have been a good idea in her own head, but it went over about as well as Venezuelan Communism. You need to make sure the sports that matter are in good shape before you try to convince everyone that non-revenue sports matter. They don't mean a damn thing if football/basketball are reeling. But hood rich Heather went out and splurged on that Caddy while her house is falling apart.

Bozik and SP were worse. I don't care about Barnes.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It's mostly irrelevant. It's not like Pitt boosters are going to pony up the $20 mil per year it takes to compete at a high level. Pat Narduzzi can deliver mediocre football just as well as anyone else Pitt could bring in.

Your notion that it's not possible for Pitt to hire anyone better than Pat Narduzzi as their head football coach is just as dumb today as it was the first time you posted it. Or the 100th.

 

[TD_6082]

Your notion that it's not possible for Pitt to hire anyone better than Pat Narduzzi as their head football coach is just as dumb today as it was the first time you posted it. Or the 100th.

You apparently lack reading comprehension. I said Pitt boosters are not willing to fund high level football & the program will continue in mediocrity regardless of coach.