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It's Miller Time!

TiredRam97

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I'll crack one open in honor of another failure from the Miller family.

Sean will choke again next week. That will be IPA worthy.

This post was edited on 3/22 8:36 PM by TiredRam97
 
Doubtful, I think Arizona is Final Four bound...

looks like an easy path to me. They beat Xavier for sure, Carolina has major flaws and I think they're too athletic for Wisconsin.
 
Originally posted by TiredRam97:
I'll crack one open in honor of another failure from the Miller family.

Sean will choke again next week. That will be IPA worthy.

This post was edited on 3/22 8:36 PM by TiredRam97
what do you have against the millers? not that i care....curious
 
The Miller family tried to ruin Pitt basketball. From bolting coaching positions last minute to screwing with the local recruits via the JOTS. Other than that small nugget, I've got nothing.
 
I root against Arizona more than any team left in the tournament. Of all the non-Pitt fans I've encountered, Arizona fans are by far the worst.
 
interesting...I don't know what jots is... i'm from beaver county..so i grew up around a crowd that always loved them.
 
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Blind hatred is a wasted effort. Sean and Archie are making millions coaching college basketball. That Dayton made it as far as they did...says something. You may recall, they were not the lower seed. As for Arizona, they are still dancing and look to have a pretty decent shot of advancing further. Regardless of what you think about them...seems like things have turned out pretty well for them. Hail to Pitt!
 
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Tired Ram seems to be overstating things with the Millers. Blind hatred makes you do those kinds of things.
 
Re: Nope, he called it spot on.*

Every time someone asks about this issue, Harve in particular has patiently taken the time to go through the story into details. If the Board had access to archives, inquiring minds could be directed to the posts, though I think there might even be a recent version around. NTOP has as well been a strong and informed witness who has punctuated Harve's many posts. The consistent theme is that the Millers showed that they disregarded any commitment to Pitt in any of these situations. We have seen enough of this unprofessional opportunism from our football coaches. Hatred is too strong a word, but if there any type of antipathy toward them in the upper echelons of the university, it is not blind.
 
Re: Nope, he called it spot on.*

People preaching "blind hatred" in this thread should look-up "blind loyalty".
 
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I'm not blind...and certainly not loyal to the Millers. If you or others want to waste your energy hating them...it is a free world and you are entitled. But as I said, they are making millions coaching college basketball. Pretty successful by nearly any measure. My best guess, is they could careless what you think about them. I'll just remember Sean's playing days at Pitt with fondness...and wish him well in his future coaching endeavors [wherever they may lead]. Hail to Pitt!
 
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I enjoyed Sean as a player, too. He and Archie are very good coaches, and most people are happy to see their success reflect well on the region and on Pittsburgh. The relevance of these threads is simply to provide the back story to people who don't know the story and think either coach could ever be a candidate for a job at Pitt. It gets repeated because people keep asking, and it will continue to be relevant. Any comments posters care to make are not really superfluous.
 
No one's questioned their ability as coaches. Nor should they.

But deliberately sabotaging your Alma Mater's basketball fortunes, over several years', is worthy of scorn. Worse than Fred Primus stealing jewelry. Archie was simply a bystander in the Willard betrayal, but his older brother AND father deserve to be shunned.
 
I believe most Pittsburghers are happy for them and more than impressed.

I honestly don't see how any reasonable person could be less than impressed with what they have accomplished.
 
Originally posted by sylvessa:
interesting...I don't know what jots is... i'm from beaver county..so i grew up around a crowd that always loved them.
Then you better take a history course.
 
Re: No one's questioned their ability as coaches. Nor should they.

NTOP--what's the Cliff's notes version of what went down? I don't know this story and I've always wondered why there's such an anti-Miller contingent of the board.
 
Syl,
I lived in Beaver County during Sean's HS career, with apartments in two different school districts at different times, neither one Blackhawk.

At the time, since Sean was a Pitt recruit, I was a Miller fan,too.

But, among the fans of other local schools, and with my co-workers at the J&L plant, John Miller was certainly NOT universally popular. He was a very good coach, but he recruited players from other high schools, using very similar techniques as the stories in another thread on charter and other non-public schools. For every John Miller fan, there was an equally feverish detractor.

JOTS was an AAU program run by a local businessman, J O Stright. He recruited Tino Hunter and Danny Fortson to literally move into his home and play at Shaler with his son. Stright was a Pitt fan at one time until Pitt wouldn't offer his son a scholarship. Some Pitt players joined with him in an anti-Paul Evans effort. Evans was universally hated by his players. JOTS became a nationally recognized AAU power, drawing every significant regional player possible.

He was close with Huggins and Calipari and funneled players to both. JOTS sent 45 players prior to 2006 to D-1 schools. 8 went to Huggins. 1 to Pitt. Blair became the 2nd but after JOTS folded after Herb Pope punched the coach at a late season tournament in Florida. It was a betrayal by Pope since Stright had brought him back to Pittsburgh from DC and had been his mentor. Stright had actually phoned Pitt to announce Pope's de-committal. Pryor abandoned Stright too and switched his emphasis to football.
 
Willie Sutton was an impressive bank robber.

Chuck Manson impressed some folks, too. ;)
 
Re: I believe most Pittsburghers are happy for them and more than impressed.


Originally posted by mdpitt:
I honestly don't see how any reasonable person could be less than impressed with what they have accomplished.
Mostly. I understand, to an extent, that they felt burned by Pitt's administration, and Lord knows that they likely were dicked around, nickel and dimed, had their hands (and legs) tied and the like. Coaches have falling outs with their admins all the time, but ours in particular.

But, like with Wannstedt, Gattuso and Cignetti to come later, these Miller guys appeared to take their anger to unacceptable extremes, via embarrassing public outbursts and outright sabotage of recruits. Hard to forgive it, especially if the coaches are alums.

Job changes are the nature of the biz. Just part ways and leave with class. Maybe your bosses were douches, for sure, but realize they are temporary. ADs in particular come and go almost as frequently as coaches. They aren't the university.
 
Re: No one's questioned their ability as coaches. Nor should they.

Originally posted by NTOP:
But deliberately sabotaging your Alma Mater's basketball fortunes, over several years', is worthy of scorn. Worse than Fred Primus stealing jewelry. Archie was simply a bystander in the Willard betrayal, but his older brother AND father deserve to be shunned.
Call me crazy, but if something would happen to Jamie, I would hope the future AD would have the two brothers numbers on his short speed dial list.
 
Don't think for a minute that people in Oakland have forgotten

the actions. And, yes, you are crazy!! ;)
 
Re: No one's questioned their ability as coaches. Nor should they.


I gave my opinion on the Millers on a diff. thread. Both these guys can coach. Sean is doing it big time at a major BBall school. Archie on the other hand is succeeding and IMO overachieving at Dayton in the A-10. He's doing it with A-10 talent. He booted his two top players off the team mid season and still continued to win. Came in second in A-10 tourney, won in NCAA first round, and almost beat much higher rated Oklahoma in 2nd round. I've watched several of Dayton's games. They do not have elite talent but they are disciplined, play within themselves, hustle, and can beat you several diff ways.
I doubt we'd ever get Sean to Pitt, but Archie would be a great get if Jamie left. Archie won't be at Dayton long.
BTW, not living in Western PA I'm unaware of the Millers, McConnell's, and their baggage....all I know is they produce,
 
Re: No one's questioned their ability as coaches. Nor should they.

Originally posted by recruitsreadtheseboards:

Originally posted by NTOP:
But deliberately sabotaging your Alma Mater's basketball fortunes, over several years', is worthy of scorn. Worse than Fred Primus stealing jewelry. Archie was simply a bystander in the Willard betrayal, but his older brother AND father deserve to be shunned.
Call me crazy, but if something would happen to Jamie, I would hope the future AD would have the two brothers numbers on his short speed dial list.
They should be at the top of the list, 1A & 1B.

I've read all of these stories of things that happened in the past, and I can't see that they have done anything wrong.
 
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Holding a grudge takes too much energy--at least as far as the Miller's are concerned with Pitt. There are always several sides to every dispute. Whatever sins they have been accused of, it appears they were not successful in those efforts [unless you are suggesting their efforts are the reason for Dixon's recent recruiting failures?]. Hail to Pitt!
 
Wrong....Miller screwed Willard.

All because they hated Evans.....who liked Evans??
 
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LOL...wrong about what? I get it....you hate Sean Miller. Willard has been gone for well over a decade. Heck, Pitt has even paid off the Willard contract extension that Steve gave him the year before firing him more than a decade ago. Still wearing your "One for the Thumb" tshirt? Want to worry about the program...there are far more recent problems and concerns to fret about. Hail to Pitt!
 
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"Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me!"

As I posted yesterday, anyone posting "Miller" on here should be suspended for obscenity.
 
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Harve74: Sorry I missed your prosectution of the Millers. Did they have an opportunity to put on a defense? Who testified? Sounds like a thread that should have been pinned. Regardless, you will not see me starting any threads about the Miller's. For the life of me I frankly cannot understand why our fans love living in the past? Take away posts about former players and coaches...and the Lair content would be down 50% or more. Hail to Pitt!
 
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