Jeffress vs Morton

[Sean Miller Fan]

Potential matchup next Saturday in the quarters. McDowell has to beat Peters who they beat by 4 in January and the Central York/Central Catholic winner. Butler has to beat Central Dauphin then the USC/Allderdice winner. They seem to have the tougher path.

1. As the District 10 Champ, does McDowell get to play all their games in D10 territory? I was hoping to see them around Pgh.

2. McDowell beat Allderdice 49-43 on Saturday in a subregional. What the heck is that?

https://www.goerie.com/sports/20200228/mcdowell-surges-back-to-beat-allderdice-in-subregional

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Potential matchup next Saturday in the quarters. McDowell has to beat Peters who they beat by 4 in January and the Central York/Central Catholic winner. Butler has to beat Central Dauphin then the USC/Allderdice winner. They seem to have the tougher path.

1. As the District 10 Champ, does McDowell get to play all their games in D10 territory? I was hoping to see them around Pgh.

2. McDowell beat Allderdice 49-43 on Saturday in a subregional. What the heck is that?

https://www.goerie.com/sports/20200228/mcdowell-surges-back-to-beat-allderdice-in-subregional

When I opened this, I figured u were comparing Jeffress and Ithiel Horton. Since you’re not, Butler would kill McDowell. Morton is much better than Jeffress even if Jeffress has more potential.

 

[pittchagg]

Allderdice is typically a pretty good team. Not sure why it'd be surprising that they'd play McDowell close.

I'd be surprised if Butler blew out McDowell. Butler squeaked by Peters in the WPIAL semis, and McDowell beat Peters by a similar margin in January (and obviously play them in the PIAAs). They've played pretty similarly against the other common opponents they've played, too (Pine-Richland, North Allegheny, Shaler).

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Allderdice is typically a pretty good team. Not sure why it'd be surprising that they'd play McDowell close.

I'd be surprised if Butler blew out McDowell. Butler squeaked by Peters in the WPIAL semis, and McDowell beat Peters by a similar margin in January (and obviously play them in the PIAAs). They've played pretty similarly against the other common opponents they've played, too (Pine-Richland, North Allegheny, Shaler).

It would be interesting to see how Morton would handle an athlete of similar size and length? Any of those teams have one this year?

 

[pittchagg]

It would be interesting to see how Morton would handle an athlete of similar size and length? Any of those teams have one this year?

Peters has a kid (Cote) that is probably the most similar profile in terms of size and length, but Jeffress would be the best player that Butler has played against by a significant margin.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

When I opened this, I figured u were comparing Jeffress and Ithiel Horton. Since you’re not, Butler would kill McDowell. Morton is much better than Jeffress even if Jeffress has more potential.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...ll-Jeffress-and-McDowell/stories/201812140147

Yea....they really destroyed them the last time they played. They both played well, and one could argue Butler got some calls to go their way.

 

[pittchagg]

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...ll-Jeffress-and-McDowell/stories/201812140147

Yea....they really destroyed them the last time they played. They both played well, and one could argue Butler got some calls to go their way.

I think it's more of a thing that Bballinsider just really, really is high on Morton as a player.

 

[srpst23]

1. As the District 10 Champ, does McDowell get to play all their games in D10 territory? I was hoping to see them around Pgh.

2. McDowell beat Allderdice 49-43 on Saturday in a subregional. What the heck is that?

https://www.goerie.com/sports/20200228/mcdowell-surges-back-to-beat-allderdice-in-subregional

On #1 back when I played (sat on the bench) for McDowell, we played at, if I remember correctly Edinboro, Clarion, and I want to say State College before playing the western finals against Prep at the Tulio Center (now Erie Insurance Arena). Granted this was over 20 years ago, and Prep had the honor of getting blasted by Kobe in the State Finals. I believe that all but the State College Sites are in D-10.

#2 I think it's since D-10 and the City League (D-7?) have so few big schools that they are forced to play at least one additional round to the Tournament.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...ll-Jeffress-and-McDowell/stories/201812140147

Yea....they really destroyed them the last time they played. They both played well, and one could argue Butler got some calls to go their way.

1) Ethan Morton always gets every call to go his way, unless you didn’t see the game vs. USC
2) Morton is undoubtedly a better player at this stage of their careers than Jeffress. He’s 3 years older and smarter. The game you are referencing was the Carney’s kid like 5th game ever and as a frosh. He’s turned into a legit D1 player albeit at a smaller level. Butler wins

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

1. As the District 10 Champ, does McDowell get to play all their games in D10 territory? I was hoping to see them around Pgh.

2. McDowell beat Allderdice 49-43 on Saturday in a subregional. What the heck is that?

https://www.goerie.com/sports/20200228/mcdowell-surges-back-to-beat-allderdice-in-subregional

On #1 back when I played (sat on the bench) for McDowell, we played at, if I remember correctly Edinboro, Clarion, and I want to say State College before playing the western finals against Prep at the Tulio Center (now Erie Insurance Arena). Granted this was over 20 years ago, and Prep had the honor of getting blasted by Kobe in the State Finals. I believe that all but the State College Sites are in D-10.

#2 I think it's since D-10 and the City League (D-7?) have so few big schools that they are forced to play at least one additional round to the Tournament.

But they both made the tournament so what was the point of the game? For seeding? That's a lot of trouble to go through for seeding purposes. The WPIAL doesn't want to be bothered to have their teams play games to actually qualify for the PIAA Tournament but the D10 Champ and City Champ, both auto qualifiers, play for just for seeding???

 

[pittchagg]

But they both made the tournament so what was the point of the game? For seeding? That's a lot of trouble to go through for seeding purposes. The WPIAL doesn't want to be bothered to have their teams play games to actually qualify for the PIAA Tournament but the D10 Champ and City Champ, both auto qualifiers, play for just for seeding???

It's a subregion between D10, D6, and the City League, with two teams advancing to states. Each district champ is in the four-team bracket, with the D10 runner up and the D6 runner up doing a play-in game for the last slot.

State College beat Erie in the play-in game, and State College lost to McDowell. Allderdice beat Altoona, and McDowell beat Allderdice. McDowell and Allderdice went to the state tournament, while State College and Altoona were eliminated.

 

[Straight Eye Larry]

When I opened this, I figured u were comparing Jeffress and Ithiel Horton. Since you’re not, Butler would kill McDowell. Morton is much better than Jeffress even if Jeffress has more potential.

That's not true at all.

 

[Straight Eye Larry]

1) Ethan Morton always gets every call to go his way, unless you didn’t see the game vs. USC
2) Morton is undoubtedly a better player at this stage of their careers than Jeffress. He’s 3 years older and smarter. The game you are referencing was the Carney’s kid like 5th game ever and as a frosh. He’s turned into a legit D1 player albeit at a smaller level. Butler wins

Carney is D2 right now. Needs to grow. If he does, D1 for sure. Right now he's only 6 feet tall.

He's a great scorer - only a soph. He went toe to toe with Morton this year as far as scoring is concerned, however he shot the ball more than Morton.

Ethan is a great player. Great team player. Great point guard. Can score when he needs to. Always makes the right play. I'm a huge Morton fan, but to say he's undoubtedly the better player than Jeffress right now just isn't true at all.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Carney is D2 right now. Needs to grow. If he does, D1 for sure. Right now he's only 6 feet tall.

He's a great scorer - only a soph. He went toe to toe with Morton this year as far as scoring is concerned, however he shot the ball more than Morton.

Ethan is a great player. Great team player. Great point guard. Can score when he needs to. Always makes the right play. I'm a huge Morton fan, but to say he's undoubtedly the better player than Jeffress right now just isn't true at all.

That's interesting. Wonder why they had McDowell and Allderdice actually play though since both teams qualiified with their semifinal win

Curious: how many 6A teams are there between Districts 6, 7, and 10

 

[wbrpanther]

Potential matchup next Saturday in the quarters. McDowell has to beat Peters who they beat by 4 in January and the Central York/Central Catholic winner. Butler has to beat Central Dauphin then the USC/Allderdice winner. They seem to have the tougher path.

1. As the District 10 Champ, does McDowell get to play all their games in D10 territory? I was hoping to see them around Pgh.

2. McDowell beat Allderdice 49-43 on Saturday in a subregional. What the heck is that?

https://www.goerie.com/sports/20200228/mcdowell-surges-back-to-beat-allderdice-in-subregional

The way it usually works is the higher seeds stay close to home in the first round. After that they try to find more neutral sites.

To answer your other question, some districts don’t have very many teams in the higher classes so they combine with other districts before the regular PIAA tournament starts. I’ve seen as many as 3 or 4 districts thrown together in sub regionals in higher classes.

As an example Districts 5,9 and 10 get thrown together often in AAAA, AAAAA, and AAAAAA.

 

[pittchagg]

That's interesting. Wonder why they had McDowell and Allderdice actually play though since both teams qualiified with their semifinal win

Curious: how many 6A teams are there between Districts 6, 7, and 10

D6: Altoona, Mifflin County (Lewistown), State College
D8: Brashear, Allderdice
D10: Erie High, Kennedy Catholic, McDowell

I think the reason why they had McDowell and Allderdice play is because most of the bigger districts have a bunch of consolation games to determine seeding. Central Dauphin, Butler's opponent from Harrisburg, played four total games in the D3 tournament (first round win, quarterfinal loss, consolation semifinal win, 5th place game win). McDowell has played three playoff games leading up to the PIAA tournament (bye in the D10 semifinals, D10 final win, sub-region semi win, sub-region final win). It just keeps a similar playing ground.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The way it usually works is the higher seeds stay close to home in the first round. After that they try to find more neutral sites.

Right, that is the way that it is supposed to work. The second round and beyond is supposed to be somewhere close to half way between the schools.

Sometimes it even does work that way.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

That's interesting. Wonder why they had McDowell and Allderdice actually play though since both teams qualiified with their semifinal win

One of them gets a "home" game, the other gets an "away" game. For Allderdice that's the difference between them playing at Fox Chapel instead of someplace like Brashear. For McDowell that's the difference between them playing at Edinboro versus playing somewhere like, well, Fox Chapel.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Carney is D2 right now. Needs to grow. If he does, D1 for sure. Right now he's only 6 feet tall.

He's a great scorer - only a soph. He went toe to toe with Morton this year as far as scoring is concerned, however he shot the ball more than Morton.

Ethan is a great player. Great team player. Great point guard. Can score when he needs to. Always makes the right play. I'm a huge Morton fan, but to say he's undoubtedly the better player than Jeffress right now just isn't true at all.

You can have Jeffress. I like winning. I’ll take Morton. Ethan does what he has to to win. Plays with bums outside of Carney and gets everyone involved. True PG. That’s what wins in CBB.

Jeffress might end up a good player wherever he goes. Morton will definitely be a good player at Purdue. And play in a ton of ncaa tournament games.

 

[wbrpanther]

Right, that is the way that it is supposed to work. The second round and beyond is supposed to be somewhere close to half way between the schools.

Sometimes it even does work that way.

Very difficult to get it fair. They also try to put double and triple headers together til the semifinals. That being said there is always teams that have to travel farther than their opponent.

 

[Straight Eye Larry]

You can have Jeffress. I like winning. I’ll take Morton. Ethan does what he has to to win. Plays with bums outside of Carney and gets everyone involved. True PG. That’s what wins in CBB.

Jeffress might end up a good player wherever he goes. Morton will definitely be a good player at Purdue. And play in a ton of ncaa tournament games.

Look buddy, all I said was that they're much closer than what you're portraying. Ethan struggled mightily this past AAU circuit when playing better players. He's a great player and will be a super nice college player. I'm not doubting this nor disagreeing with you.

You say Morton plays with bums.. but who does Butler play that's all that good? He should beat Mt. Lebo and Pine Richland. He's the best player on the floor. It's not like those teams are trotting out D1 hoops players.

"Jeffress might end up a good player.." "Morton will definitely be a good player.." - no idea why you're slighting Jeffress so much here.

I'm from Butler. Played at Butler. Coached at Butler. You don't need to preach to me about Morton - I know how good he is, but you're blind if you don't think Jeffress is right there with him.

At this next level, I'm taking Jeffress over Morton. Jeffress' ceiling is sky high.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Look buddy, all I said was that they're much closer than what you're portraying. Ethan struggled mightily this past AAU circuit when playing better players. He's a great player and will be a super nice college player. I'm not doubting this nor disagreeing with you.

You say Morton plays with bums.. but who does Butler play that's all that good? He should beat Mt. Lebo and Pine Richland. He's the best player on the floor. It's not like those teams are trotting out D1 hoops players.

"Jeffress might end up a good player.." "Morton will definitely be a good player.." - no idea why you're slighting Jeffress so much here.

I'm from Butler. Played at Butler. Coached at Butler. You don't need to preach to me about Morton - I know how good he is, but you're blind if you don't think Jeffress is right there with him.

At this next level, I'm taking Jeffress over Morton. Jeffress' ceiling is sky high.

I’m not. Morton’s game doesn’t fit AAU. It’s why we mistakenly put our resources into a kid we wouldn’t get instead of him. And I say this knowing there’s a good chance Jeffress DOES NOT end at Pitt. Same either way for me. My opinion won’t change.

 

[PMizzle88]

I’m not. Morton’s game doesn’t fit AAU. It’s why we mistakenly put our resources into a kid we wouldn’t get instead of him. And I say this knowing there’s a good chance Jeffress DOES NOT end at Pitt. Same either way for me. My opinion won’t change.

This board would explode if Jeffress did not end up here

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This board would explode if Jeffress did not end up here

Semi-local kid that Capel has invested a lot of time on. At just turning 17, you'd think they'd want him close. So yea if he doesn't go to Pitt, stay off the board that day or week

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Look buddy, all I said was that they're much closer than what you're portraying. Ethan struggled mightily this past AAU circuit when playing better players. He's a great player and will be a super nice college player. I'm not doubting this nor disagreeing with you.

You say Morton plays with bums.. but who does Butler play that's all that good? He should beat Mt. Lebo and Pine Richland. He's the best player on the floor. It's not like those teams are trotting out D1 hoops players.

"Jeffress might end up a good player.." "Morton will definitely be a good player.." - no idea why you're slighting Jeffress so much here.

I'm from Butler. Played at Butler. Coached at Butler. You don't need to preach to me about Morton - I know how good he is, but you're blind if you don't think Jeffress is right there with him.

At this next level, I'm taking Jeffress over Morton. Jeffress' ceiling is sky high.

Lemme rephrase what I’m saying. I’d rather have Morton for the next 4 years because he’s a PG and gonna be 23 years old when he’s a senior. Imo that’s how you win in March, with elite guards who are older. Whether or not Jeffress has a better pro career, be it overseas, NBA or whatever I couldn’t care less. I’m saying for college purposes I’d rather have a 23 year old Morton as a senior than a 20 year old Jeffress.

 

[wbrpanther]

Lemme rephrase what I’m saying. I’d rather have Morton for the next 4 years because he’s a PG and gonna be 23 years old when he’s a senior. Imo that’s how you win in March, with elite guards who are older. Whether or not Jeffress has a better pro career, be it overseas, NBA or whatever I couldn’t care less. I’m saying for college purposes I’d rather have a 23 year old Morton as a senior than a 20 year old Jeffress.

How bout if we get Jeffress and a different point guard as good as Morton. This is a pretty stupid argument on both parts. Morton and Jeffress are two good players who play different positions. What is the point in bickering.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Lemme rephrase what I’m saying. I’d rather have Morton for the next 4 years because he’s a PG and gonna be 23 years old when he’s a senior. Imo that’s how you win in March, with elite guards who are older. Whether or not Jeffress has a better pro career, be it overseas, NBA or whatever I couldn’t care less. I’m saying for college purposes I’d rather have a 23 year old Morton as a senior than a 20 year old Jeffress.

Following the string, this response makes a lot of sense.

Jefferies might end up being as good or even better than Morton, but Morton will be more likely to help earlier and likely to spend four years and be a kid who can really help a team win as an upper classman. While Jefferies might take more time to develop into a player who can consistently help you win games.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

How bout if we get Jeffress and a different point guard as good as Morton. This is a pretty stupid argument on both parts. Morton and Jeffress are two good players who play different positions. What is the point in bickering.

Well we haven’t landed a PG as good as Morton in 3 classes. In fact, I’d argue we haven’t landed a PG yet. Just combo guards.

 

[Straight Eye Larry]

Lemme rephrase what I’m saying. I’d rather have Morton for the next 4 years because he’s a PG and gonna be 23 years old when he’s a senior. Imo that’s how you win in March, with elite guards who are older. Whether or not Jeffress has a better pro career, be it overseas, NBA or whatever I couldn’t care less. I’m saying for college purposes I’d rather have a 23 year old Morton as a senior than a 20 year old Jeffress.

I think you're putting too much stock into the age. Eric Hamilton is 23 and stinks out loud. The best players in college hoops are all under 20-21 years old. It's always this way - age doesn't matter.


I won't argue your point about Morton over Jeffress. Again, I'm a huge Morton fan and think he'll be terrific. This isn't sour grapes, I just genuinely think Jeffress will be a game changer. He's hardly polished at this point and will still make a big impact as a Freshman wherever he goes. I'm not too sure what Morton's ceiling is, but he's already fairly polished as a player. That's not a knock on him, he's really good, but I'm not sure what the ceiling is.

In less than a year Jeffress developed a solid 3pt shot. He's 6'8" and can play wing or under the basket. Freaky athletic. I just think the ceiling is much higher for this kid. He has legit NBA hopes - as does Morton - but Jeffress ceiling IMO is All American level.

Agree to disagree. I'd take Jeffress - you'd take Morton. Can't blame you, you make good points.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

I think you're putting too much stock into the age. Eric Hamilton is 23 and stinks out loud. The best players in college hoops are all under 20-21 years old. It's always this way - age doesn't matter.


I won't argue your point about Morton over Jeffress. Again, I'm a huge Morton fan and think he'll be terrific. This isn't sour grapes, I just genuinely think Jeffress will be a game changer. He's hardly polished at this point and will still make a big impact as a Freshman wherever he goes. I'm not too sure what Morton's ceiling is, but he's already fairly polished as a player. That's not a knock on him, he's really good, but I'm not sure what the ceiling is.

In less than a year Jeffress developed a solid 3pt shot. He's 6'8" and can play wing or under the basket. Freaky athletic. I just think the ceiling is much higher for this kid. He has legit NBA hopes - as does Morton - but Jeffress ceiling IMO is All American level.

Agree to disagree. I'd take Jeffress - you'd take Morton. Can't blame you, you make good points.

Did Pitt not recruit Morton hard enough, or did Morton simply want to attend Purdue over Pitt and others?

 

[Straight Eye Larry]

Did Pitt not recruit Morton hard enough, or did Morton simply want to attend Purdue over Pitt and others?

Capel made up a bunch of lost ground with Morton. Pitt wasn't considered with KS here. KS did recruit Morton quite a bit, but all for not. Capel arriving changed a lot - he got in the door with Morton, but Painter has been all over him for 3-4 years now.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Did Pitt not recruit Morton hard enough, or did Morton simply want to attend Purdue over Pitt and others?

By all indications HCJC gave it a good go, but IMO, he just was a kid who seemed to be a B10 type.

According to the PG - "Although Morton never had a “final list” of schools, you could say Purdue, Pitt, Michigan, Ohio State, Marquette, Indiana, Iowa and Stanford were his final choices. Coaches from those eight schools made home visits with Morton or visited him at Butler High School in the past few weeks."

5 B10 schools and Marquette - in their footprint. Pitt and Stanford.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Capel made up a bunch of lost ground with Morton. Pitt wasn't considered with KS here. KS did recruit Morton quite a bit, but all for not. Capel arriving changed a lot - he got in the door with Morton, but Painter has been all over him for 3-4 years now.

Thank you for the input. BballinsiderfromPitt has been trying to portray it as though Capel didn’t really recruit him, and he made it sound like Morton wanted to attend Pitt.

 

[Straight Eye Larry]

Thank you for the input. BballinsiderfromPitt has been trying to portray it as though Capel didn’t really recruit him, and he made it sound like Morton wanted to attend Pitt.

that's very very far from the case.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Did Pitt not recruit Morton hard enough, or did Morton simply want to attend Purdue over Pitt and others?

Players like Morton go to the Big Ten. Remember my prediction on him?

 

[wbrpanther]

Well we haven’t landed a PG as good as Morton in 3 classes. In fact, I’d argue we haven’t landed a PG yet. Just combo guards.

I agree but we are not getting Morton so what is the point. I don’t think we will be turning down a top PG by bringing in Jeffress.

 

[Ski11585]

Players like Morton go to the Big Ten. Remember my prediction on him?

The prediction where you listed like 10 potential schools he would attend? Those don’t count.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I agree but we are not getting Morton so what is the point. I don’t think we will be turning down a top PG by bringing in Jeffress.

I didn’t start the thread. Your beef is not with me

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

If Butler and Erie McDowell win their next game, then they will play each other.

 

[YAPES]

1. As the District 10 Champ, does McDowell get to play all their games in D10 territory? I was hoping to see them around Pgh.

2. McDowell beat Allderdice 49-43 on Saturday in a subregional. What the heck is that?

https://www.goerie.com/sports/20200228/mcdowell-surges-back-to-beat-allderdice-in-subregional

On #1 back when I played (sat on the bench) for McDowell, we played at, if I remember correctly Edinboro, Clarion, and I want to say State College before playing the western finals against Prep at the Tulio Center (now Erie Insurance Arena). Granted this was over 20 years ago, and Prep had the honor of getting blasted by Kobe in the State Finals. I believe that all but the State College Sites are in D-10.

#2 I think it's since D-10 and the City League (D-7?) have so few big schools that they are forced to play at least one additional round to the Tournament.[/QUOT

Prep lost 48-43, not exactly getting blasted.
Bryant scored a game-high 17 points to help Lower Merion beat Cathedral Prep 48-43 in the PIAA Class 4A title game in front of 7,000 at Hersheypark Arena on March 23, 1996.