Do we see it as often as we did last 2 years? I did not attend Spring game this year wondering from anyone who went if they ran it at all? I would think with the core of our sweepers back it will still be there, but is Whipple down for it or will he scrap it totally just to make a statement that he wants his stamp on the offense? Haven't heard much on this.
Jet Sweep 2019
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I hope he has it in his back pocket.
I rather not see it as a staple, more of a catch off guard play.
We got lucky with it, but once teams adjusted we needed more.
I rather not see it as a staple, more of a catch off guard play.
We got lucky with it, but once teams adjusted we needed more.
Was a version of it.. Paris Ford read it and the tackle for a loss..
I hope we don't see it again. It worked well with the personnel Pitt had when Canada was OC, but since they've it's felt forced. Time to move on.
Carter and Ffrench are still excellent candidates to run it. But rather than being predictable, I'd like to see us do variations - such as running a reverse, or maybe even have the runner throw a pass.
There's not an opponent that plays Pitt that doesn't practice all week before their game to defend the jet sweep. As such Pitt should be faking off that play and throwing the ball to the opposite side of the field from the sweep.
I'd rather get those guys the ball in other ways. The jet sweep has become so predictable and easy to defend with this team.
Agree with this, it's why it behooves us to run it at least once a game, to force the opponent to waste practice time defending it.
I suspect we will see it here and there. I doubt we will see it as often as we have in recent years, but I also doubt that we will never see it again.
However, I don’t think it’s a matter of individual plays but rather principles. The idea is to get the football into the hands of our quickest guys as often as possible. If they can make a guy or two miss, that can turn a good play into a HUGE play.
I fully think they will be excellent at doing that.
However, I don’t think it’s a matter of individual plays but rather principles. The idea is to get the football into the hands of our quickest guys as often as possible. If they can make a guy or two miss, that can turn a good play into a HUGE play.
I fully think they will be excellent at doing that.
Agree with most on here, I said all last year we need a reverse or a pass off the jet sweep and never saw it. And understanding that every team practices against the jet sweep when it comes to Pitt I understand... but that's the same for every team.. teams practiced to stop GT and they still did what they wanted most years, you always practice against what the other team does..its up to your team to be good at what you do regardless... so I say if the jet sweep is working ride the horse. I was just curious how we were looking with the okay style going into this year
If you're creative it will help get them the ball. It's only easy to defend when you don't mix it up. Fake the jet and then throw a swing pass to that player, shuffle pass, pass down the seam off fake, wheel route, QB keeper. There's a lot you can do off the jet motion. Pitt was boring with it under Watson.
Canada had learned the fly offense from Mark Speckman and revolutionized it with a zone scheme. Speck ran a great gap scheme. Canada added his insane motion and pre snap shifting to enhance the effectiveness of the jet and zone scheme.
That scheme covered up some sore spots we had in talent.
While I highly doubt we'll go full Canada mode, as long as you package the jet with
1. Off tackle play
2. Inside play
3. Counter
4. Play action
5. Boot pass
you can create an extremely hard offense to defend that is very user friendly.
The question is Whipple a series based play caller?
That scheme covered up some sore spots we had in talent.
While I highly doubt we'll go full Canada mode, as long as you package the jet with
1. Off tackle play
2. Inside play
3. Counter
4. Play action
5. Boot pass
you can create an extremely hard offense to defend that is very user friendly.
The question is Whipple a series based play caller?
I do not see this as a big part of Whipple's playbook. He likes quick hitters. This play takes time and I don't see it more than 1-2 times per game.
We have some speedsters who can make it work - like Carter did against Duke last season.
I would think use of the jet sweep depends on the speed of the opposing defense...
Go Pitt.
I would think use of the jet sweep depends on the speed of the opposing defense...
Go Pitt.
If it's used at the right time, with the right personnel it's a valuable offensive play.
If PITT runs the jet sweep as often as they did in the past its a complete waste of time, yards, and a down.
In the past if appeared to be well nothing else is working run the jet sweep?
If PITT runs the jet sweep as often as they did in the past its a complete waste of time, yards, and a down.
In the past if appeared to be well nothing else is working run the jet sweep?
You guy are funny. Every team in the country has the jet sweep in its playbook, especially the teams that run a more traditional pro style
Offense.
Also, there are a lot of different ways to run it, starting with blocking schemes and formations.
Matt Canada mixed up the way he ran it,
the formations he ran it out of, the way it was blocked, the gaps he attacked with it, and the types of players that carried the ball.
With Watson, it was always the slot receiver, it was always run to the sideline and it was almost always the guy who just came into the game for one play and lined up in the slot. If the opponent saw Vlique Carter come into the game, they knew exactly what was coming. Watson never even tried to fool anyone.
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Watson's entire offense towards the end was not fooling anyone... I can't count how many times during the Miami game I sat on the couch with my girlfriend and told her what was coming. Sure enough 90 percent time I was right.
What world do some of you live in? I hope we do the jet sweep many times a game. First, it DID WORK:
French - 8.8 ypc
Carter - 8.6 ypc
Shocky 8.3 ypc
Second, it stretches out the defense they have to account for the guy in motion, and frees up the inside for our running game, which had one of the best seasons in Pitt history last year, and since the advent of our jet sweep.
Maybe you are bored by it, that is fine, but it worked very well last year.
i mocked the jet sweep until i got to witness it under Canada. a thing of beauty. thinking back against va tech, they were destroying the perimeter, sold out effectively and Canada made adjustments and Conner was running wild between the tackles.
Seeing the shovel pass work so well against better teams like Clemson when they were focused on the jet sweep, really gave me a new appreciation for it..
but yes, Canada is gone and even though we had a few plays, it went back to trickery. Like every other team in organized football, you have it in your playbook and use it sparingly and hope it works.
Seeing the shovel pass work so well against better teams like Clemson when they were focused on the jet sweep, really gave me a new appreciation for it..
but yes, Canada is gone and even though we had a few plays, it went back to trickery. Like every other team in organized football, you have it in your playbook and use it sparingly and hope it works.
Like Bobby Ewings death I almost think that 16 offense was a dream. What that guy was able to do with, let's face it, mostly a buncha jabronies, grows more legendary each year when we think of the boring incompetent offenses we had for the 10 years before and 2 years after...
And it's one thing that WE couldn't (or refused to) recreate the offense. Canada HIMSELF couldnt do so... before that year or after.
It was kinda magical, in a literal sense.
These discussions are both fascinating and irritating at the same time.
1) the jet sweep wasn't a standalone play. Last year's team ran some different stuff off that motion.
2) it's good as gadget, not as a staple. The power run was staple last year and 2016.
3) the problem with last year was they couldn't take effective shots down the field (I'm not getting into the reasons), so a lot of the opposing defenses were playing downhill. Especially when the team had a solid d front.
4) somewhat adjacent, I hope they get away from the gadget players. Carter was only good for running that motion. I'm not convinced of Carter as a rb, but he's an offensive weapon.
1) the jet sweep wasn't a standalone play. Last year's team ran some different stuff off that motion.
2) it's good as gadget, not as a staple. The power run was staple last year and 2016.
3) the problem with last year was they couldn't take effective shots down the field (I'm not getting into the reasons), so a lot of the opposing defenses were playing downhill. Especially when the team had a solid d front.
4) somewhat adjacent, I hope they get away from the gadget players. Carter was only good for running that motion. I'm not convinced of Carter as a rb, but he's an offensive weapon.
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I hardly remember any traditional power scheme under Canada. I remember Jet, Inside Zone, Outside Zone, Power Read, Power shovel.
In terms of traditional power with gap blocking and the FB kicking, I'd say that was nowhere near a staple in 2016.
Canada has said that the Jet allowed that 2016 team to become better at everything else they did. He had to dress up the offense quite a bit in order to make it what it was.
The effect that the jet sweep had on the offense combined with his shifting and motions had the same feel to the defense that a triple option offense has. You had to play assignment football on every snap because you had a consistent threat to the edge. His genius was getting spill players to become box players and vice versa with the scheme. Defense's were really lost in their run fits.
I don't know if it was a "scheme" thing, but it was a power run game IMO. I'm moreso saying that Henderson was far more effective, because Conner demanded so much respect. Likewise, the jet sweep was effective because of Hall and Ollison ( at least in part tactically speaking).
As with a triple option, you still feature a sturdy power game.
#3 is underrated and why we got destroyed by Clemson and Miami. They were run blitzing every play. It was send 7, drop 4 stuff constantly. AND those 7 were also winning their matchups. We couldn't win 1 on 1 matchups in the air (this was not on the WR).
Yes indeed that is just what they did. I'm not astute to know whether the DCs all those other teams we faced up to then in that string of victories simply didn't think to do this, or they tried similar but our OL just won more matchups... but it really didn't seem that way. Just against a team whose chief strength was the off tackle run, wasn't committed to the jet sweeps (despite the success in the Duke game), with a QB that panicked at the slightest pressure, it was amazing in retrospect that everyone didn't realize to do the same to us.
I’m sure that when it was so successful, teams practiced against it too. It’s like the shovel pass we ran. Gives teams one more thing to think about and practice against.
How much time do you think Clemson spent practicing against it in 2016? It sure didn’t help them stop us. Yet, we hardly ran it against them. But, it reduced the time they had to practice against other plays.
If we have the personnel, we should run it. How often should defend on how successful it is. We hardly ran it against Clemson probably because of their speed, but defending against the threat of it opened them up to the shovel pass, which was very successful against them.
