JUCO transfers get 4 years of eligibility

[Sean Miller Fan]

Unlimited eligibility coming very soon. All its going to take is one lawsuit where a player claims the NCAA is denying them a right to earn a living.

Was it Ross Dellenger or someone else who recently tweeted that the most average of players are making 6 figures and QB's are making well into 7 figures. And didnt we have this debate where I said Quinn Ewers was making $2 million + and nobody believed me?

 

[USAF Phantom]

Unlimited eligibility coming very soon. All its going to take is one lawsuit where a player claims the NCAA is denying them a right to earn a living.

Was it Ross Dellenger or someone else who recently tweeted that the most average of players are making 6 figures and QB's are making well into 7 figures. And didnt we have this debate where I said Quinn Ewers was making $2 million + and nobody believed me?

This whole scheme is pretty much out of control. Say you have 60 football players earning an average $1m each—Basketball another 15 players. That’s nearing $100m per year. Wow

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This whole scheme is pretty much out of control. Say you have 60 football players earning an average $1m each—Basketball another 15 players. That’s nearing $100m per year. Wow

I dont think 60 guys are making $1 million. OSU is said to have the largest payroll at $20 million this year. I'd expect that to double for next season as the market keeps going up. Dan Mullen said during the boel game last night that people are taking money just to sit and he wants guys who want to play football (at UNLV). Remember what I said about Quinton Martin, he took money to clean jock straps for 2-3 years instead of playing football and tranferring up. This is what Narduzzi has to sell. Why sit?

 

[NCPitt]

Unlimited eligibility coming very soon. All its going to take is one lawsuit where a player claims the NCAA is denying them a right to earn a living.

Was it Ross Dellenger or someone else who recently tweeted that the most average of players are making 6 figures and QB's are making well into 7 figures. And didnt we have this debate where I said Quinn Ewers was making $2 million + and nobody believed me?

There is no right to earn a living.

 

[NCPitt]

 

[pittizit]

No way no how am I gonna contribute a dime to this insanity it’s supposed to be amateur and no pay
It’s gone beyond crazy and until there’s 20!teams left standing will it stop

 

[pafootballguy]

Unlimited eligibility coming very soon. All its going to take is one lawsuit where a player claims the NCAA is denying them a right to earn a living.

Was it Ross Dellenger or someone else who recently tweeted that the most average of players are making 6 figures and QB's are making well into 7 figures. And didnt we have this debate where I said Quinn Ewers was making $2 million + and nobody believed me?

This situation is a little different than your typical high school recruit and the argument being made for another year of eligibility is interesting. The NCAA and NAIA are separate entities so why should participation at one impact the other when it doesn't for players that do a post graduation year at a prep school.

 

[S.R.M.]

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion but why should sports be different than an other extra curricular activity? They don't limit the number of years you can be in the band or the French club. As long as you are a student you can participate. You have to pick, is it a business or an extra circular? If it is a business you "hire" the best people regardless of age or how many years they have been there. If it is an extra circular they don't limit the eligibility for anything else. College sports have always existed in this strange vacuum. It was accepted as normal but never actually made any intuitive sense.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

There is no right to earn a living.

That's going to be an impossible court case for the NCAA to win. These are millionaire pros now and the 4 year rule is so arbitrary. If a player wants to stay in school for 20 years and earn 8 degrees, there is 0 reason why they should be limited to only 4 years to play football, especially when playing for the football team is their livelihood.

 

[wbrpanther]

There is no right to earn a living.

Exactly. There are a thousand ways to make a living.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Thornton Melon - Come on Down!

The swimming and diving team could use you.

 

[pittdan77]

This has a chance to create "juniors", similar to hockey, for many sports. Two years of "prep" ball and then maybe get picked up to play for cash. Might have a pretty devastating affect on the casual athlete who wants to get their degree, can't get an offer because there are a bunch of guys in their twenties coming in from JUCO, and doesn't want to screw around for a couple of years.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

This has a chance to create "juniors", similar to hockey, for many sports. Two years of "prep" ball and then maybe get picked up to play for cash. Might have a pretty devastating affect on the casual athlete who wants to get their degree, can't get an offer because there are a bunch of guys in their twenties coming in from JUCO, and doesn't want to screw around for a couple of years.

Hockey players who are playing professional hockey in "junior hockey" in Canada are also now eligible to compete in the NCAA now. Some think this will raise the level of NCAA Hockey a ton. If so, you wonder if maybe Pitt or others would consider a team if the best Americans and Canadiens would not choose NCAA over the OHL or QMJHL.

 

[pittdan77]

Hockey players who are playing professional hockey in "junior hockey" in Canada are also now eligible to compete in the NCAA now. Some think this will raise the level of NCAA Hockey a ton. If so, you wonder if maybe Pitt or others would consider a team if the best Americans and Canadiens would not choose NCAA over the OHL or QMJHL.

That's really not the same thing I was talking about but it seems pretty unlikely Pitt would add a sport right now.

 

[NCPitt]

That's going to be an impossible court case for the NCAA to win. These are millionaire pros now and the 4 year rule is so arbitrary. If a player wants to stay in school for 20 years and earn 8 degrees, there is 0 reason why they should be limited to only 4 years to play football, especially when playing for the football team is their livelihood.

That may be true, but not because of the factor you claimed.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

That may be true, but not because of the factor you claimed.

Why dont you believe that will be a factor? Kid goes to court and says "I'm making $1 million as a dual threat QB with no shot to make the NFL. I can make $20 million more in college football but $0 in the NFL and maybe 50K in Canada. The arbitrary college eligibility rules disadvantage me. I want to stay in college until I am 38 and have 10 majors. Let me play."

There's no way the NCAA wins that one. Then, the next one will be NFL players who get cut coming back to college to play.

Its going to take 10 different steps but college football will be 100% fully professional. You may even have some boosters go and try to buy a Pat Mahomes type player at that time from the NFL. When it comes to that, I think what may happen is that the NFL will buy the Top 50 teams or so and make college football its 23 and under league.

 

[CJsE]

Why dont you believe that will be a factor? Kid goes to court and says "I'm making $1 million as a dual threat QB with no shot to make the NFL. I can make $20 million more in college football but $0 in the NFL and maybe 50K in Canada. The arbitrary college eligibility rules disadvantage me. I want to stay in college until I am 38 and have 10 majors. Let me play."

There's no way the NCAA wins that one. Then, the next one will be NFL players who get cut coming back to college to play.

If you read any of the decisions you’d know that’s a ridiculous claim for you to make.

 

[NCPitt]

Why dont you believe that will be a factor? Kid goes to court and says "I'm making $1 million as a dual threat QB with no shot to make the NFL. I can make $20 million more in college football but $0 in the NFL and maybe 50K in Canada. The arbitrary college eligibility rules disadvantage me. I want to stay in college until I am 38 and have 10 majors. Let me play."

There's no way the NCAA wins that one. Then, the next one will be NFL players who get cut coming back to college to play.

Its going to take 10 different steps but college football will be 100% fully professional. You may even have some boosters go and try to buy a Pat Mahomes type player at that time from the NFL. When it comes to that, I think what may happen is that the NFL will buy the Top 50 teams or so and make college football its 23 and under league.

All its going to take is one lawsuit where a player claims the NCAA is denying them a right to earn a living.

There is no right to earn a living.

Furthermore, a player is typically an at-will employee and can be fired for any reason.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

There is no right to earn a living.

Furthermore, a player is typically an at-will employee and can be fired for any reason.

Maybe the word "right" is improperly used. If a player has the opportunity to earn a very good living, why should an arbitrary 4 year rule deny them of that? How could the NCAA possibly win that? They are making up their own rules themselves giving guys 8 and 9 years of eligibility as it is.

 

[CJsE]

Furthermore, a player is typically an at-will employee and can be fired for any reason.

How can both of you be so wrong at the same time?

 

[USAF Phantom]

I dont think 60 guys are making $1 million. OSU is said to have the largest payroll at $20 million this year. I'd expect that to double for next season as the market keeps going up. Dan Mullen said during the boel game last night that people are taking money just to sit and he wants guys who want to play football (at UNLV). Remember what I said about Quinton Martin, he took money to clean jock straps for 2-3 years instead of playing football and tranferring up. This is what Narduzzi has to sell. Why sit?

What do you think the NIL budget say in 5 years?

 

[NCPitt]

How can both of you be so wrong at the same time?

I'm talking about SMF's future world where players are employed pros.

For those unclear on the context.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

What do you think the NIL budget say in 5 years?

Ok, yea probably

 

[CJsE]

I'm talking about SMF's future world where players are employed pros.

For those unclear on the context.

Even when that takes place there will be a union, there will be contracts, there will be collective bargaining. They will in no way be at-will employees.

 

[NCPitt]

Even when that takes place there will be a union, there will be contracts, there will be collective bargaining. They will in no way be at-will employees.

That is an assumption that I did not make.

Does the NFL union prevent players from getting cut in the offseason?

 

[ratking17]

I support any effort to grant tre Tipton a 9th year of eligibility

 

[DT_PITT]

Thornton Melon - Come on Down!

The swimming and diving team could use you.

He won’t need NIL dollars either.

 

[CJsE]

That is an assumption that I did not make.

Does the NFL union prevent players from getting cut in the offseason?

But that’s not the definition of an at will employee. Anyone can be fired, but that doesn’t make anyone an at will employee.

Every single player in the NFL has a contract that lays out the terms for how and why they can be fired. If the employer does not follow those guidelines then the player is due the compensation that is established in that contract (see Russell Wilson). It’s literally the opposite of at will employment.

NFL executives can cut players in the offseason without further compensation if their contract with that player allows it. Which is why you see many players getting (Kirk Cousins for example) due roster bonuses at the start of camp.