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Personal (Vegas) line on the game and thoughts.

I say Pitt by -12 or so.

Kent state should be the toughest test for Pitt so far. Pitt needs to play a fairly good game to win.

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Go Pitt
 
Want to see how Kent State rebounds against Pitt. They've been dominant so far this year and my biggest concern with Pitt is their defensive rebounding.
 
IMHO, our defensive rebounding has been just fine. We have not been giving up many offensive rebounds to opponents. All teams are dealing with an inability to box out. "Butt in gut" gets you whistled for a foul so we aren't seeing much firm boxing out by anyone. Best you can do is get inside position and go straight up for rebound.
 
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DC_Area_Panther said:
IMHO, our defensive rebounding has been just fine. We have not been giving up many offensive rebounds to opponents. All teams are dealing with an inability to box out. "Butt in gut" gets you whistled for a foul so we aren't seeing much firm boxing out by anyone. Best you can do is get inside position and go straight up for rebound.
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-Agreed. I don't see a rebounding problem yet. We were beating Gonzaga on the glass. The 2 largest problems I see are creating turnovers on defense and Robinson in general.
 
DC_Area_Panther said:
IMHO, our defensive rebounding has been just fine. We have not been giving up many offensive rebounds to opponents. All teams are dealing with an inability to box out. "Butt in gut" gets you whistled for a foul so we aren't seeing much firm boxing out by anyone. Best you can do is get inside position and go straight up for rebound.
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I agree they've been good so far, I just want to see how they fare against a team that's actually capable of rebounding well.

Pitt wound up 204th in defensive rebounding last year so a good showing tomorrow would give some hope that it was just a one season issue.
 
Agree. A warm fuzzy would be nice in that regard. I think we will get it. We aren't dependent solely on MY and JA with little help from other bigs like last year. Much more help than last year.
 
I think our defensive rebounding is fairly solid. The main concern is their on-ball defense.
 
Yeah poor is a huge understatement. Our defensive rebounding is totally non-existent.
 
Pittbaseball11 said:
I'm really interested to see where they wind up nationally. Get a feel for how much of this is Pitt and how much of it is the new rules. There's been a large impact nationally for sure.
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I can see our profile being VERY similar to last years Notre Dame team. Great offensively, but mediocre on defense. I'd be ok if it brought similar results.
 
Pittbaseball11 said:
I'm really interested to see where they wind up nationally. Get a feel for how much of this is Pitt and how much of it is the new rules. There's been a large impact nationally for sure.
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Agree it's a mixture of both. The rules are meant to bolster offense. You can not just make kids better shooters though. Pitt has legit shooters basically everywhere.
 
Pitt is losing on the boards 17-11.

Everything else is good though. 6-7 from three,shooting 61.5 % from the field plus, Robinson has 11 pts!

Up 10 isn't bad at the half
 
R-M-U-h-o-o-p-s-f-a-n said:
Pitt is losing on the boards 17-11.

Everything else is good though. 6-7 from three,shooting 61.5 % from the field plus, Robinson has 11 pts!

Up 10 isn't bad at the half
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I agree, but PittBaseball is correct that we can't keep shooting at that rate so we'll need to be better on the boards in the second half. I think we will be though.
 
Scruffy the Panther said:
I can see our profile being VERY similar to last years Notre Dame team. Great offensively, but mediocre on defense. I'd be ok if it brought similar results.
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Funny, I actually posted that on premium before the season started. Pitt last year had a REALLY similar profile to Notre Dame 2 years ago. I mainly posted it to show how even a bit of a bump defensively could give Pitt a lot more success.

Pitt doesn't need to be good on defense, just mediocre. I think their on-ball defense and rotations have improved overall, it would just be great to be able to effectively end possessions after forcing a miss. The defense could actually be pretty good in that case.
 
Pittbaseball11 said:
Funny, I actually posted that on premium before the season started. Pitt last year had a REALLY similar profile to Notre Dame 2 years ago. I mainly posted it to show how even a bit of a bump defensively could give Pitt a lot more success.

Pitt doesn't need to be good on defense, just mediocre. I think their on-ball defense and rotations have improved overall, it would just be great to be able to effectively end possessions after forcing a miss. The defense could actually be pretty good in that case.
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Agree. We haven't given them many easy looks, but a missed shot doesn't mean much if we don't get the ball back.
 
Scruffy the Panther said:
Kent State coach with strategic technical foul.
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That was an awful call. The ref told the Kent State coach to stop, and the Kent State coach shut up and turned and walked away. And then three or four seconds later the ref gave him the technical. He didn't even realize for a long time that the ref called it on him, because he wasn't even facing towards the ref for several seconds before he made the call.

If you tell the coach to stop and he stops how do you give him the T anyway? Terrible.
 
Joe the Panther Fan said:
That was an awful call. The ref told the Kent State coach to stop, and the Kent State coach shut up and turned and walked away. And then three or four seconds later the ref gave him the technical. He didn't even realize for a long time that the ref called it on him, because he wasn't even facing towards the ref for several seconds before he made the call.

If you tell the coach to stop and he stops how do you give him the T anyway? Terrible.
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Generally speaking Joe, I'm very supportive of refs in both basketball and football. They have to make split second calls -- calls that when are viewed at 7 angles in high definition don't even offer a clear cut offer of what it the right call.

But when it comes to technicals in hoops, that's a different story. There are times when it's clear when a coach is "asking" for a T. But otherwise, it seems like T's are indeed an ego trip for refs, and this was one of those times.

I don't exactly know what transpired to deserve the T, but unless the Kent State coach screamed: "ref you suck" (or worse) while walking away, I can't imagine what transpired to deserve the T.

By the way, it was Lamar Simpson who called the T and he's a vet ref for sure.
 
DT_PITT said:
I don't exactly know what transpired to deserve the T, but unless the Kent State coach screamed: "ref you suck" (or worse) while walking away, I can't imagine what transpired to deserve the T.
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Well that's the thing. As you (I believe) know, our seats afford us a great view of the opponent's bench. And when the Kent State coach turned and walked away I can tell you for certain that he did not scream "ref you suck" or anything at all like that. Because I happened to be looking directly at him and he was not saying anything at all. The ref basically told him to shut up, and he turned and walked away and didn't say a word. And then a few seconds later got the T anyway. He was genuinely surprised when one of his assistants told him that he had been given a technical, because he literally had no idea that they had called one on him.
 
Joe the Panther Fan said:
Well that's the thing. As you (I believe) know, our seats afford us a great view of the opponent's bench. And when the Kent State coach turned and walked away I can tell you for certain that he did not scream "ref you suck" or anything at all like that. Because I happened to be looking directly at him and he was not saying anything at all. The ref basically told him to shut up, and he turned and walked away and didn't say a word. And then a few seconds later got the T anyway. He was genuinely surprised when one of his assistants told him that he had been given a technical, because he literally had no idea that they had called one on him.
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There's an argument to be made to eliminate, if not at least "revise" the technical foul call in college hoops.

This would be "exhibit A."

Another call was made by Roger Ayers during the year that Steve Adams was here. He got an entry pass, and broke open for an easy slam. When he slammed, he hung on the rim, and even pulled himself up slightly.

By the letter of the law, it should have been a T. But why? What affect did it have on the game?

I recall a moment when James Breeding called a T on Dixon, during a Cuse game I believe. Dixon was in a squatting position and said something about the foul differential at the time and then pointed at the scoreboard. Breeding T'd him, and his response to Dixon was "you can't do that."

In no other sport can teams get points for arguments like you can in basketball. It just doesn't make sense to me.
 
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