It should be an amazing dual. Last year, Lehigh did not wrestle their full team, and Pitt won 21-12. I will give a full preview for this, but the gist is that there will be a lot of high-level close matches. Hopefully, the crowd will turn out well. Unfortunately, there probably won't be any students because it is over Thanksgiving Break. Regardless, it should be one of our better duals this season
Lehigh @ Pitt this Sunday 11/17
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Just saw Taylor is out for the season and Trephan is transferring in. Doubt he will be eligible by this weekend so should help the panthers there
Did he end up out? Heard he got hurt at Journeyman but I wasn’t sure if it was season ending.
Wrestlestat has the match going Lehighs way 25-6 fwiw. Should be some great matchups in there that are very winnable for us that it has us losing.
Wrestlingfan22 I’m looking forward to your preview and seeing what your thoughts are on where we may end up.
Wrestlingfan22 I’m looking forward to your preview and seeing what your thoughts are on where we may end up.
Trephan isn’t going to wrestle until the second semester. He lost his spot at NC State when Trumble moved up to 285.
Didn’t realize Wrestlestat had the dual comparison. Good to know.
I think it will be close dual. A few lineup changes could make big difference.
I see wins at 141, 157, 174, 184 and 285.
To win also need win at 125 or 165. Both possible in by opinion. Might need both if we lose bonus point battle.
I think it will be close dual. A few lineup changes could make big difference.
I see wins at 141, 157, 174, 184 and 285.
To win also need win at 125 or 165. Both possible in by opinion. Might need both if we lose bonus point battle.
Preview:
Pitt:
125: Babin: Has looked good so far this season but lost to Seymour at Journeyman
133: Vin: Has only wrestled 1 match this year. Big test in this one
141: Ant: He has looked good so far but is yet to pick up a ranked win, great choice for that here
149: Finn/Brown: Finn hasn't looked great, hope he can bounce back. Could see Brown go to let him get a good test as one of his dates
157: Evans: Has looked good this year, will be interesting to see how he does against whoever Lehigh puts out there
165: Laffey/MacKay: Both have won matches but lost to non NQ level guys. Lehigh is weaker at this weight so they could both win
174: Augustine: Has wrestled well, could get a good matchup against Rogers
184: Heller: Has had the best season of anyone so far. Should be able to keep this going hopefully
197: Stout: Big test that will show how far hes improved since last year when he got TF by Beard
285: Pitzer: Was going to be a big test but Taylor is out and Trephan won't be available yet. Should be a chance for him to put on a showcase
Lehigh:
125: Seymour: Took 2nd at Jounreyman he seems to keep making jumps year to year
133: Crookham: Number 1 in the country, he is a monster
141: Hines: A really good guy who is always in the NCAA tourney, curious to see how he looks vs Ant
149: Griffin/Munch: Munch is an older senior who wrestled in last dual, Griffin is returning NQ who is an absolute beast on top
157: Gonzalez/Rozynski: A redshirt and true freshman, Gonzalez was a multiple time PIAA placer but never won states. Rozysnki was a smaller wrestler at Blair who has jumped weight classes and looks to be performing well this year.
165: Lawrence: Thayne Lawrence has been at 174 before but is now down at 165. His results at the new weight are hard to track but he is talented and could do well
174: Rogers/Schope/Grungo: Rylan Rogers is a Michigan transfer who was up at 184/197 last year. He is the best guy at 174 for the Hawks but recently Schope and Grungo have been competing and they are far below his level
184: Wilt/Rogers: Jack Wilt and Caden Rogers have both been wrestling this year at 184, they are both solid guys who can get decent wins
197: Beard: Beard is very up and down but when he is on he is elite. Excited to see him and Stout
285: Lachman: Seems to be only available heavyweight currently. True freshman that Pitzer should really put it on
Pitt:
125: Babin: Has looked good so far this season but lost to Seymour at Journeyman
133: Vin: Has only wrestled 1 match this year. Big test in this one
141: Ant: He has looked good so far but is yet to pick up a ranked win, great choice for that here
149: Finn/Brown: Finn hasn't looked great, hope he can bounce back. Could see Brown go to let him get a good test as one of his dates
157: Evans: Has looked good this year, will be interesting to see how he does against whoever Lehigh puts out there
165: Laffey/MacKay: Both have won matches but lost to non NQ level guys. Lehigh is weaker at this weight so they could both win
174: Augustine: Has wrestled well, could get a good matchup against Rogers
184: Heller: Has had the best season of anyone so far. Should be able to keep this going hopefully
197: Stout: Big test that will show how far hes improved since last year when he got TF by Beard
285: Pitzer: Was going to be a big test but Taylor is out and Trephan won't be available yet. Should be a chance for him to put on a showcase
Lehigh:
125: Seymour: Took 2nd at Jounreyman he seems to keep making jumps year to year
133: Crookham: Number 1 in the country, he is a monster
141: Hines: A really good guy who is always in the NCAA tourney, curious to see how he looks vs Ant
149: Griffin/Munch: Munch is an older senior who wrestled in last dual, Griffin is returning NQ who is an absolute beast on top
157: Gonzalez/Rozynski: A redshirt and true freshman, Gonzalez was a multiple time PIAA placer but never won states. Rozysnki was a smaller wrestler at Blair who has jumped weight classes and looks to be performing well this year.
165: Lawrence: Thayne Lawrence has been at 174 before but is now down at 165. His results at the new weight are hard to track but he is talented and could do well
174: Rogers/Schope/Grungo: Rylan Rogers is a Michigan transfer who was up at 184/197 last year. He is the best guy at 174 for the Hawks but recently Schope and Grungo have been competing and they are far below his level
184: Wilt/Rogers: Jack Wilt and Caden Rogers have both been wrestling this year at 184, they are both solid guys who can get decent wins
197: Beard: Beard is very up and down but when he is on he is elite. Excited to see him and Stout
285: Lachman: Seems to be only available heavyweight currently. True freshman that Pitzer should really put it on
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Matchup Favor:
125: Seymour just beat Babin in a match where he got the only two takedowns. It was not a close match at all. Seymour got to Babin's legs easily and rode him hard. He never went under so Babin didn't get the chance to work on top. Seymour is good and has many good results against common opponents. He is more dynamic on his feet than Babin is so a different gameplan will be needed for Nick to win this time. However, I am not putting too much stock into any 125lb match this year. I think Babin is good enough to potentially flip this result. TOSS UP
133: Crookham majored Vinnie last year and has only gotten better since that match. I hope Vinnie can hold this to a major at worst but I could see Crookham widening the gap. LEHIGH FAVORED
141: It is so hard to gauge where Anthony stands in relation to other guys who are good. Hines and Ant only have Koderhandt as their official common opponent. However, Santaniello wrestled Carter Bailey (the backup 141 at Lehigh) at Journeyman and beat him 4-2. Bailey is a really solid wrestler and that win gives me some confidence in Anthony overall, but based on his lack of results and the fact that his best career win is against the backup to Hines, while Hines is a 4x NQ and has finished in the blood round before I will have to favor Hines, but Anthony winning would not shock me at all. LEHIGH FAVORED
149: This match is one where both teams have two realistic options for 149. Last year Solomon snuck out a close one against Matt Repos who I wouldn't expect to go in this match. If both teams send their starters I expect we see Griffin vs Solomon which is a clash of styles that would likely create a very exciting match. If Brown or Munch gets thrown in the mix that adds interesting elemetns of a rookie and a vet. There is so many possibilities that I am just saying it is a tossup match unless someone unexpected wrestles. TOSS UP
157: The two options for Lehigh are both younger guys. Rozynski won the Princeton Open that had both these wrestlers in it. This included a TF over the Lehigh wrestler who beat Gonzalez. However he has not competed since then which suggests they are at least considering saving his 5 dates for redshirt. Gonzalez never took higher than 7th at PIAAs but has many good wins across those seasons. He lost to Jack Pletcher at PIAAs in 2022. Evans won that bracket. Rozynski is someone who has made jumps has he moves up weights. He took 2nd at National Preps at 144 in March and is now competing up at 157. I am curious to see who goes for Lehigh and hope Evans can continue his good performances from early in the season. However, he is not too proven so I will hedge this as a toss up. TOSS UP
Half Way:
0 Pitt Favored, 3 Toss up, 2 Lehigh Favored
There is a chance this dual starts out really good for us, and it could also start REALLY BAD. This is what makes this dual potentially so exciting.
165: This is a match I don't even know how to preview. Thayne has been at 174 until this season while Laffey has been at 149 and 157. Normally guys coming up have a gas tank advantage so I hope Laffey can use that. If it is MacKay going in this match he also has no common opponents or anything for me to compare against Lawrence. Lawrence has faced better competition so far this season than the other two, but that is out of MacKay and Laffey's control. I think they could both pull this one off. TOSS UP
174: I don't know who is going for Lehigh, but this is a weight where they clearly have a best option. If Schope or Grungo go I would expect a dominant win for Luca. He TF Schope at Journeyman. Grungo is a 165 that has no results that suggest this match would be close. Rylan Rogers however is a former top recruit with good results in the past at 184 and 197. He has one competition this year, where he took 3rd at the Princeton Open in a bracket I would expect Luca to win. However, if he does go I would keep this as a tossup because of his pedigree and the fact that it was his first competition at a new weight. TOSS UP
184: Reece should beat both of these guys. Wilt is a tough competitor who keeps matches close, but nothing so far in his careers suggests he can beat someone of Reece's caliber. Rogers wrestled in the dual last season and lost 4-1 to Heller. He is 1-0 on the season with a 1-0 win in their last dual. Regardless of who he faces I expect it to be a closer match but one that Reece will win. PITT FAVORED.
197: This is the match of the night. If one where to look at all results against common opponents this would be an obvious toss up match with one wrestler being more proven and having slightly better results. However, last year in the dual, Beard absolutely massacred Stout and TechFalled him. I think Mac is a lot better than he looked in that match and that he will keep it closer than that. But I do not think this match can be anything but a Beard favor until Mac proves otherwise. LEHIGH FAVORED
285: This would have been the match of the night if this dual was a few weeks earlier or in the second semester. Taylor who Pitzer is 2-0 against is however out for the season with injury. His replacement through the portal Trephan (who Dayton is 0-2 against) will not be competing for the Mountain Hawks till second semester. Therefore Pitzer gets a true freshman that he should really put it on. Lachman is a good kid and better than his PIAA results indicate but I would expect Pitzer to go to work on top against him. PITT FAVORED
Second Half:
2 PITT FAVORED, 2 TOSS UP, 1 LEHIGH FAVORED
The buffer of Pitzer at heavyweight may be the difference in the dual. 165 and 174 could go either way and depending on what bonus happens at 184 and 197 it could come down to Dayton putting up 5 or 6.
Overall:
2 Pitt Favored, 5 Toss up, 3 Lehigh Favored
This match will be decided from 149-174 where I have every match as a toss up. If one side can win three of these they all but clinch themselves the dual barring any upsets. Excited to see this match and hope both teams send all their starters out.
125: Seymour just beat Babin in a match where he got the only two takedowns. It was not a close match at all. Seymour got to Babin's legs easily and rode him hard. He never went under so Babin didn't get the chance to work on top. Seymour is good and has many good results against common opponents. He is more dynamic on his feet than Babin is so a different gameplan will be needed for Nick to win this time. However, I am not putting too much stock into any 125lb match this year. I think Babin is good enough to potentially flip this result. TOSS UP
133: Crookham majored Vinnie last year and has only gotten better since that match. I hope Vinnie can hold this to a major at worst but I could see Crookham widening the gap. LEHIGH FAVORED
141: It is so hard to gauge where Anthony stands in relation to other guys who are good. Hines and Ant only have Koderhandt as their official common opponent. However, Santaniello wrestled Carter Bailey (the backup 141 at Lehigh) at Journeyman and beat him 4-2. Bailey is a really solid wrestler and that win gives me some confidence in Anthony overall, but based on his lack of results and the fact that his best career win is against the backup to Hines, while Hines is a 4x NQ and has finished in the blood round before I will have to favor Hines, but Anthony winning would not shock me at all. LEHIGH FAVORED
149: This match is one where both teams have two realistic options for 149. Last year Solomon snuck out a close one against Matt Repos who I wouldn't expect to go in this match. If both teams send their starters I expect we see Griffin vs Solomon which is a clash of styles that would likely create a very exciting match. If Brown or Munch gets thrown in the mix that adds interesting elemetns of a rookie and a vet. There is so many possibilities that I am just saying it is a tossup match unless someone unexpected wrestles. TOSS UP
157: The two options for Lehigh are both younger guys. Rozynski won the Princeton Open that had both these wrestlers in it. This included a TF over the Lehigh wrestler who beat Gonzalez. However he has not competed since then which suggests they are at least considering saving his 5 dates for redshirt. Gonzalez never took higher than 7th at PIAAs but has many good wins across those seasons. He lost to Jack Pletcher at PIAAs in 2022. Evans won that bracket. Rozynski is someone who has made jumps has he moves up weights. He took 2nd at National Preps at 144 in March and is now competing up at 157. I am curious to see who goes for Lehigh and hope Evans can continue his good performances from early in the season. However, he is not too proven so I will hedge this as a toss up. TOSS UP
Half Way:
0 Pitt Favored, 3 Toss up, 2 Lehigh Favored
There is a chance this dual starts out really good for us, and it could also start REALLY BAD. This is what makes this dual potentially so exciting.
165: This is a match I don't even know how to preview. Thayne has been at 174 until this season while Laffey has been at 149 and 157. Normally guys coming up have a gas tank advantage so I hope Laffey can use that. If it is MacKay going in this match he also has no common opponents or anything for me to compare against Lawrence. Lawrence has faced better competition so far this season than the other two, but that is out of MacKay and Laffey's control. I think they could both pull this one off. TOSS UP
174: I don't know who is going for Lehigh, but this is a weight where they clearly have a best option. If Schope or Grungo go I would expect a dominant win for Luca. He TF Schope at Journeyman. Grungo is a 165 that has no results that suggest this match would be close. Rylan Rogers however is a former top recruit with good results in the past at 184 and 197. He has one competition this year, where he took 3rd at the Princeton Open in a bracket I would expect Luca to win. However, if he does go I would keep this as a tossup because of his pedigree and the fact that it was his first competition at a new weight. TOSS UP
184: Reece should beat both of these guys. Wilt is a tough competitor who keeps matches close, but nothing so far in his careers suggests he can beat someone of Reece's caliber. Rogers wrestled in the dual last season and lost 4-1 to Heller. He is 1-0 on the season with a 1-0 win in their last dual. Regardless of who he faces I expect it to be a closer match but one that Reece will win. PITT FAVORED.
197: This is the match of the night. If one where to look at all results against common opponents this would be an obvious toss up match with one wrestler being more proven and having slightly better results. However, last year in the dual, Beard absolutely massacred Stout and TechFalled him. I think Mac is a lot better than he looked in that match and that he will keep it closer than that. But I do not think this match can be anything but a Beard favor until Mac proves otherwise. LEHIGH FAVORED
285: This would have been the match of the night if this dual was a few weeks earlier or in the second semester. Taylor who Pitzer is 2-0 against is however out for the season with injury. His replacement through the portal Trephan (who Dayton is 0-2 against) will not be competing for the Mountain Hawks till second semester. Therefore Pitzer gets a true freshman that he should really put it on. Lachman is a good kid and better than his PIAA results indicate but I would expect Pitzer to go to work on top against him. PITT FAVORED
Second Half:
2 PITT FAVORED, 2 TOSS UP, 1 LEHIGH FAVORED
The buffer of Pitzer at heavyweight may be the difference in the dual. 165 and 174 could go either way and depending on what bonus happens at 184 and 197 it could come down to Dayton putting up 5 or 6.
Overall:
2 Pitt Favored, 5 Toss up, 3 Lehigh Favored
This match will be decided from 149-174 where I have every match as a toss up. If one side can win three of these they all but clinch themselves the dual barring any upsets. Excited to see this match and hope both teams send all their starters out.
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Based on Lehigh's probable's: Rozynski is at 157, Bailey could go at 141, Federici could go at 165, Davis could go at 197
Vinnie just doesnt have enough offense against decent wrestlers
It is getting really old watching him wrestle, is somebody gonna ever tell him that you’re never gonna win if you don’t have any offense. It’s ridiculous, I know it’s not easy but if you don’t even try a shot, I mean come on.
He wrestles a power game without really having the power that makes it effective like someone like Trent Hidlay.
Kind of similar to the way Phillippi would hang on the russian tie and never really do anything with it
Huge win! Nice to see him finish strong. He gassed out a bit against Koderhandt so maybe that was him just reacclimating to competitive matches after being out so long
What a super impressive win for Finn!
That was a great performance by Finn. He is so good in neutral when he really gets after it
Good, tough win for Evans. I think he will have a real solid year.
Does he have a brother that is a freshman somewhere this year. Two or three time state champ?
Glad to get the win, but that kind of performance isnt going to hold up over the course of the season. Most of the lineup barely took a legitimate shot in their match. Feels like the wrestling version of a Frank Cignetti offense
Good match. I’m not ripping on him but Pitzer hasn’t gotten so much slower with the weight he added on
I usually don't post , just read the comments, but I have noticed there is not as many people on here when they win...? kinda quiet? vs when they lose?
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