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While everyone is piling on the atrocious play of the DB's (understandably so) something that's been overlooked is how little pass rush we're getting outside of Price. We had 3 4th down stop opportunities and couldn't get to the passer when we obviously knew what was coming. One key sack and the horrible coverage doesn't matter.

I say play some of the young guys in clear passing situations. Let's see if Watts or Camp (or someone else) can get pressure when Price is double teamed.

Cruzer
 
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Agree. Roy over Watts and Camp is a wierd one to me. Also, heard a lot of positive talk about Weaver, get him some reps.
 
I would have loved to see them rotate in the young guys at some point, at least to get them reps that makes it worth burning their redshirt other than against villanova. With soto going down that was prime time opportunity to let them in the game.
 
Sorry, not buying it in total and agree to disagree, Pitt held UNC to 18 yards Rushing, UNC QB 4-12 Third Downs, and Price got in there because other DL's were pushing around the UNC OL.

What lost this game was the last drive of 3 of 4th Downs with great catches and barely made each of them by a foot, give me a break, and this was at the end of game when all were tired?

Time to accept the Panthers played a great game and just 1 to 5 plays ended up 1 point and 2 second short.

The DL played great!
 
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Sorry, not buying it in total and agree to disagree, Pitt held UNC to 18 yards Rushing, UNC QB 4-12 Third Downs, and Price got in there because other DL's were pushing around the UNC OL.

What lost this game was the last drive of 3 of 4th Downs with great catches and barely made each of them by a foot, give me a break, and this was at the end of game when all were tired?

Time to accept the Panthers played a great game and just 1 to 5 plays ended up 1 point and 2 second short.

The DL played great!
We agree to disagree. Clearly the DL played well against the run (although, we had a lot of players in the box. My point is that while we stuffed the run, no one besides Price was getting to the QB. THAT is a major problem and contributed a lot to the loss.
 
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We agree to disagree. Clearly the DL played well against the run (although, we had a lot of players in the box. My point is that while we stuffed the run, no one besides Price was getting to the QB. THAT is a major problem and contributed a lot to the loss.
Again, Price did get to the QB and that is not a major problem, so did the Linebackers, and the DL kept a team under 20 yards, the catches were spot on, and thrown spot on, and barely made first downs on 4th downs, was just damn good Football, and so was Pitt DL Play and not the Major Problem with Pitt Defense, consider it might be the best part of it!
 
Again, Price did get to the QB and that is not a major problem, so did the Linebackers, and the DL kept a team under 20 yards, the catches were spot on, and thrown spot on, and barely made first downs on 4th downs, was just damn good Football, and so was Pitt DL Play and not the Major Problem with Pitt Defense, consider it might be the best part of it!

My point is that in crunch time, with the game on the line, how many sacks or pressures did the DL produce? Zero. One sack on any of those 4th downs and the game is won.
 
My point is that in crunch time, with the game on the line, how many sacks or pressures did the DL produce? Zero. One sack on any of those 4th downs and the game is won.
I understand your point and I will answer you, the Defense had UNC stopped 9 Times and DBs had UNC Wideouts covered and the UNC QB threw the Balls just enough time to pass 6 to 8 Yards and the UNC WRs caught those Balls and just barley made the First Downs and the Throws were grabbed, now tell me how much time was it to Throw 8 to 6 to Yards????? Also, on the previous 9 Plays of 3rd Downs the Throws were off due to Pressure?

Do you think the Pitt DL is responsible for those great throws and catches in seconds or did UNC QB & WRs make Great Plays?

Go review the the game and quit blaming a DL that played and great game, but the UNC QB & WR played a better last two minutes and barely won?

You can disagree, and agree I am more right on what was responsible for the UNC Win and Pitt Lost and it was not the Pitt DL!

One Play lost this Game, you can pick it out of 3 too, if just one of the Three 4th Down Plays come up short, PITT WINS! End Of Analysis!


Video Count The Seconds On 4th Downs Throws: 3 to 5!
 
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My point is that in crunch time, with the game on the line, how many sacks or pressures did the DL produce? Zero. One sack on any of those 4th downs and the game is won.
I don't completely disagree but it's worth noting Cruze that it's not all on the DL when we fail to get pressure on those long yardage passing downs. We blitzed on every one of them-different looks every time-and none of our blitzers even came close to getting home. Very hard to get pressure from a 4 man front against a max protect package, the blitzers have to come through.

I think Price is one of the best pass rushing DEs in college football, I think Jarrett is doing exactly what we need him to as a run plugger, and I think Soto is playing adequately. The weak side DE, the backers and DBs outside of Whitehead are plain awful. Simply not Power 5 level athletes.
 
"thebadby2, post: 1597877, member: 1492"]I don't completely disagree but it's worth noting Cruze that it's not all on the DL when we fail to get pressure on those long yardage passing downs. We blitzed on every one of them-different looks every time-and none of our blitzers even came close to getting home. Very hard to get pressure from a 4 man front against a max protect package, the blitzers have to come through.
All true but that did not lose the game! Those Wideouts were wide open on the long passes!

I think Price is one of the best pass rushing DEs in college football, I think Jarrett is doing exactly what we need him to as a run plugger, and I think Soto is playing adequately. The weak side DE, the backers and DBs outside of Whitehead are plain awful. Simply not Power 5 level athletes.
Again, above is the video on last 4th Down Plays, DL forced the pass under 4 and 3 seconds, and 1 had a one other blitz, but the catches by Switzer even under cover were caught high and terrific and within seconds few DL could stop anywhere, you are both looking at the wrong place and just talking they could do better, that can be said in any game.

UNC made 3 & 1 TD 4th Down Plays with great catches and throws, end of game, get over your blame games!.....No Coaches Bad Calls or DB Coverages, and certainly no DL could stop Switzer great catches and just over the First Down Lines, and that 3 Times after Pitt DL did help stop them 9 times leading to three 4th Downs!

Even when Pitt Defense's had Great Execution on those plays and Switzer beat it and so did the QB Throws. Watch the Video??? Count The Seconds and see the Covearges and where they came down. and that is why your blaming the DL is feckless and wrong and the Coaches too/

Here let me see....I blame the weather if it had Rain Pitt could have won and and the DL would have held UNC to No Yards instead of 18 and Sacked them 10 times but Switzer catches 16 Ball as a record day, that was not on the DL that did a pretty good job all game long???

Coach Narduzzi cost the game because he did not check the weather reports and 18 yards was too much to give up and cost the game? LLOL!

I respect both of you and you know it, but the Nitpicking on this Game as been way overblown by the Posters and Fans and on a game that could have gone either way, cut the over analysis crap.

IF SWITZER DROPS, OR COMES UP SHORT, THREE TIMES, ON 4TH DOWNS GAME OVER!.....iS A FACT! And requires no blaming of a DL in those last few minutes or anyone else, just damn good FB by Swizters and QB in inches and seconds!
 
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"thebadby2, post: 1597877, member: 1492"]I don't completely disagree but it's worth noting Cruze that it's not all on the DL when we fail to get pressure on those long yardage passing downs. We blitzed on every one of them-different looks every time-and none of our blitzers even came close to getting home. Very hard to get pressure from a 4 man front against a max protect package, the blitzers have to come through.
All true but that did not lose the game! Those Wideouts weer wide open on the long passes!

I think Price is one of the best pass rushing DEs in college football, I think Jarrett is doing exactly what we need him to as a run plugger, and I think Soto is playing adequately. The weak side DE, the backers and DBs outside of Whitehead are plain awful. Simply not Power 5 level athletes.
Again, above is the video on last 4th Down Plays, DL forced the pass under 4 and 3 seconds, and 1 had a one other blitz, but the catches by Switzer even under cover were caught high and terrific and within seconds few DL could stop anywhere, you are both looking at the wrong place and just talking they could do better, that can be said in any game.

UNC made 3 & 1 TD 4th Down Plays with great catches and throws, end of game, get over your blame games!.....No Coaches Bad Calls or DB Coverages, and certainly no DL could stop Switzer great catches and just over the First Down Lines, and that 3 Times after Pitt DL did help stop them 9 times leading to three 4th Downs! Even when Pitt Defense's had Great Execution on those plays and Switzer beat it and so did the QB Throws. Watch the Video??? Count The Seconds and see the Covearges and where they came down. and that is why you blaming the Dl is feckless and wrong and Coaches!

Here let me see....I blame the weather if it had Rain Pitt could have won and and the DL would have held UNC to No Yards instead of 18 and Sacked them 10 times but Switzer catches 16 Ball as a record day, that was not on the DL that did a pretty good job all game long???

Coach Narduzzi cost the game because he did not check the weather reports and 18 yards was too much to give up and cost the game? LLOL!

I respect both of you and you know it, but the Nitpicking on this Game as been way overblown by the Posters and Fans and on a game that could have gone either way, cut the over analysis crap, IF SWITZER DROPS, OR COMES UP SHORT, THREE TIMES, ON 4TH dOWNS GAME OVER!.....iS A FACT! And requires no blaming of a DL in those last few minutes or anyone else, just damn good FB by Swizters and QB in inches and seconds!
"thebadby2, post: 1597877, member: 1492"]I don't completely disagree but it's worth noting Cruze that it's not all on the DL when we fail to get pressure on those long yardage passing downs. We blitzed on every one of them-different looks every time-and none of our blitzers even came close to getting home. Very hard to get pressure from a 4 man front against a max protect package, the blitzers have to come through.
All true but that did not lose the game! Those Wideouts weer wide open on the long passes!

I think Price is one of the best pass rushing DEs in college football, I think Jarrett is doing exactly what we need him to as a run plugger, and I think Soto is playing adequately. The weak side DE, the backers and DBs outside of Whitehead are plain awful. Simply not Power 5 level athletes.
Again, above is the video on last 4th Down Plays, DL forced the pass under 4 and 3 seconds, and 1 had a one other blitz, but the catches by Switzer even under cover were caught high and terrific and within seconds few DL could stop anywhere, you are both looking at the wrong place and just talking they could do better, that can be said in any game.

UNC made 3 & 1 TD 4th Down Plays with great catches and throws, end of game, get over your blame games!.....No Coaches Bad Calls or DB Coverages, and certainly no DL could stop Switzer great catches and just over the First Down Lines, and that 3 Times after Pitt DL did help stop them 9 times leading to three 4th Downs! Even when Pitt Defense's had Great Execution on those plays and Switzer beat it and so did the QB Throws. Watch the Video??? Count The Seconds and see the Covearges and where they came down. and that is why you blaming the Dl is feckless and wrong and Coaches!

Here let me see....I blame the weather if it had Rain Pitt could have won and and the DL would have held UNC to No Yards instead of 18 and Sacked them 10 times but Switzer catches 16 Ball as a record day, that was not on the DL that did a pretty good job all game long???

Coach Narduzzi cost the game because he did not check the weather reports and 18 yards was too much to give up and cost the game? LLOL!

I respect both of you and you know it, but the Nitpicking on this Game as been way overblown by the Posters and Fans and on a game that could have gone either way, cut the over analysis crap, IF SWITZER DROPS, OR COMES UP SHORT, THREE TIMES, ON 4TH dOWNS GAME OVER!.....iS A FACT! And requires no blaming of a DL in those last few minutes or anyone else, just damn good FB by Swizters and QB in inches and seconds!
All of the above may be true, but the fact of the matter is that the offense couldn't close out the game in the fourth quarter. If they get first downs and possess the ball, then UNC never gets the chance to do what they did.
 
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All of the above may be true, but the fact of the matter is that the offense couldn't close out the game in the fourth quarter. If they get first downs and possess the ball, then UNC never gets the chance to do what they did.
It is another point but another over analysis I already pointed out above QB Peterman missed 3 passes to wide open Pitt guys that could have kept drives alive but too, happen before the last UNC Drive!

Sorry, but I am correct, One Play lost this Game, you can pick it out of 3 too, if just one of the Three 4th Down Plays come up short, PITT WINS!

End Of All Over ANALysis!
 
While everyone is piling on the atrocious play of the DB's (understandably so) something that's been overlooked is how little pass rush we're getting outside of Price. We had 3 4th down stop opportunities and couldn't get to the passer when we obviously knew what was coming. One key sack and the horrible coverage doesn't matter.

I say play some of the young guys in clear passing situations. Let's see if Watts or Camp (or someone else) can get pressure when Price is double teamed.

Cruzer

Agree, it was the main card Narduzzi has had to hide the awful back seven since he got here. They didn't upgrade the back seven and now Hendrix got hurt. They've smartly tried to play the time of possession game but holding 41 minutes still not enough. You would think since that penn st td at end of first half till now, they've seen enough and scrap it.
 
It is another point but another over analysis I already pointed out above QB Peterman missed 3 passes to wide open Pitt guys that could have kept drives alive but too, happen before the last UNC Drive!

Sorry, but I am correct, One Play lost this Game, you can pick it out of 3 too, if just one of the Three 4th Down Plays come up short, PITT WINS!

End Of All Over ANALysis!

Captain...

I have been big on Narduzzi, I am not giving up on him yet but he needs to honest with himself and with us if he is to stop the bleeding (i.e start winning the games he should) and get this season back on track.

"If just..." is simply an excuse PN is attempting to sell us for two games, but this guy :rolleyes: ain't buying. Why? We are talking about a secondary being asked to do something it simply hasn't been able to do virtually all season- defend against the pass. Hearing "if just one of the three 4th down plays come up short (against this secondary), Pitt wins," feels almost like hearing someone saying, "If just one of my three mega million lottery tickets matched all of the numbers, I'd win."

Let me put it this way: It should never have had to come down to NC's strength vs. Pitt's weakness to decide the game. Don't you agree? At the end of the day, even as bad as the secondary was in the game, the team was good enough to win. The coaches need to own much of both of Pitt's last two losses. When the coaches decide to change how they call plays on offense (from what had been proven to be effective all game to something that did not play into the hands of the quarterback's and team's proven strength), ultimately believing they could always lean on the DBs (who again have not been able to cover against the pass all season) to come through and save the day (if needed), frankly doesn't sound like a smart strategy.

Reality check for the coach and any Pitt fans wanting to know just how our secondary stacks up against the other FBS teams...
Hint: Look at the team at the VERY BOTTOM.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-passing-yards-per-game

As you probably know, Albert Einstein believed insanity to be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Let's stop the insanity Pat. Play to your strengths for 4 quarters. Don't change what works. Change what isn't.


Bt the way, Pitt is second from the top when it comes to opponent passing yards percentage:
Unfortunately in this is a category, you probably want to be at the bottom.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-passing-yards-pct
 
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"#99HUGHgreen, post: 1598098, member: 4804"]Captain...I have been big on Narduzzi, I am not giving up on him yet but he needs to honest with himself and with us if he is to stop the bleeding (i.e start winning the games he should) and get this season back on track.
No question anyone that said what you said and Baby2 and Cruzer are not wrong that Narduzzi has a big analysis of his own to do, with how the Defense is being handles, blown away, and costing Pitt games! I have no problem with those criticisms or critics whatsoever. But I also want to point real factual reasons why games were lost and it is not all the Coaches, Peterman, WRs, and LBs and DBs, sure they all need to improve. But Narduzzi has that OL & DL & ST doing pretty good?

Second I guess none of you read what I posted up with Links from the Triblive and it was in Videos that Narduzzi admitted maybe his system and his demands on putting on his Defensive Players maybe needs adjusted or is the problem? How can you fault an Honest Coach saying it might his problem as well????

He also said, the Defense Players are not communicating enough, tackling better, and execution is absence at times by a few. Now Go ti the Video I put up above. Go look at the missed Tackles that results in First Downs. go look at wide open WRS not covered, and then see even if covered, the WR and RB took short passes and 2 to 3 Pitt Players had sloppy Tackles and and UNC got First Downs!!!!

What you guys seeing super tackling for i am not, that is execution, on Players not Narduzzi? still, Narduzzi puts it on him too, no excuses?

Also, look at Switzer Runs, Catches and Routes, don't tell me Pitt is the blame for not stopping him, he did a super job, Pitt players did too, but in the end Switzer did it to Pitt again! And you blame DL & just Narduzzi??? I mean go look Switzer is covered, the throw is high because DL made it be thrown in 3 seconds, and he still comes down
with the Ball about a foot pass the 1st Down Marker???? Just great FB!


"If just..." is simply an excuse PN is attempting to sell us for two games, but this guy :rolleyes: ain't buying. Why? We are talking about a secondary being asked to do something it simply hasn't been able to do virtually all season- defend against the pass. Hearing "if just one of the three 4th down plays come up short (against this secondary), Pitt wins," feels almost like hearing someone saying, "If just one of my three mega million lottery tickets matched all of the numbers, I'd win."
Too bad but it true on the Pitt Game and the analogy using a Lottery on a FB game is not relevant nor proper. FB games are won and lost by 4 to 5 plays many times, unlike Lotteries pure odds and luck. Human Activity plays FB against Humans not Lottery Machine?

It is fact, Switzer comes down, drops, or is tackled one inch less, in Three of 4th Downs Pitt Wins! That is a Fact a not a Lottery Hit!


Let me put it this way: It should never have had to come down to NC's strength vs. Pitt's weakness to decide the game.
I can buy that but it did and I can't change it, only Narduzzi & Coaches & Players can change it! My point it was not a DL letdown either!

Don't you agree?
I agree had QB Peterman hit 3 Open Players Drives would have been kept alive as well. Also, Agree, Pitt had the bigger Lead through the Game, but came up short on executions on O and D in 4th quarter! also, that UNC And OKSU have great Coaches and Players. Pitt stood with both close too.

Do they have a problem Yep, QB-WR & Defense have to execute better and coaches have to coach it.


At the end of the day, even as bad as the secondary was in the game, the team was good enough to win.
Sure no says otherwise. But Pitt lost it and UNC won it too!

The coaches need to own much of both of Pitt's last two losses.
I did not see them running away, but a Game Plan that put 38 and 36 Points up was good too. At the same time, when a Defense gives up 45 and 37 points that is on the Coaches too, but Players have to execute in both. O did and D did not?

When the coaches decide to change how they call plays on offense (from what had been proven to be effective all game to something that did not play into the hands of the quarterback's and team's proven strength),
Well, 3 overthrows to wide open Players was good play calling and terrible execution?? Pitt Game Plan on Offense was working until last 3 minutes did the defense take over? If QB Nate hits 1, 2, or 3 open Players Drives stay alive and some had TD written all of them with no one in front of them, that is QB Execution problem. Not coaches at all?

ultimately believing they could always lean on the DBs (who again have not been able to cover against the pass all season) to come through and save the day (if needed), frankly doesn't sound like a smart strategy.
This is your interpretation and UNC QB had no problem hitting covered WR while under pressure and only 3 Time after missing 9 times? Coaches believing they could stop UNC QB & Switzer weer right 9 times as the Players executed it, then dropped Three 4th Downs by barely inched? This is still good football.

Now earlier having Switzer run and break tackles all game long was Pitt D Execution problem and Communication and Coaches problem too?


Reality check for the coach and any Pitt fans wanting to know just how our secondary stacks up against the other FBS teams...
Hint: Look at the team at the VERY BOTTOM.
Not a problem with what you said is good advice and they need do need advice and admitted it? Nate also admitted he missed 3 Open Passes to Wideouts!!

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-passing-yards-per-game

As you probably know, Albert Einstein believed insanity to be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Let's stop the insanity Pat. Play to your strengths for 4 quarters. Don't change what works. Change what isn't.
Albert was great on Physics, I don't recall him being a Coach of 22 to 40 Starters that are learning from Coaches their 17th Game in just their Second Year?

Also, Coach Pat & Staff are not insane they do know they have a problem and have been quoted the last 3 Games they dislike the Tackling, Communications, and Execution and it may be on them too as Coaches Plans and Practices and Systems, as posted from Trib, and maybe they will have change.


Bt the way, Pitt is second from the top when it comes to opponent passing yards percentage:Unfortunately in this is a category, you probably want to be at the bottom.
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-passing-yards-pct
I didn't even need to look that up, everyone knows it after giving up, 300+, 600+,and$400+ Yards, TDS, in 42, 45, and 37 point games?

What is there Defense on Rushing Statistics, Sacks, and Yardage?

The OC & offense is just fine, and Narduzzi knows the Defense is big problem and he has not run away from it, trying to figure out how to fix it, and it admitted it might his fault, we shall see?
 
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I guess none of you read what I posted up with Links from the Triblive and it was in Videos that Narduzzi admitted maybe his system and his demands on putting on his Defensive Players maybe needs adjusted or is the problem? How can yo fault an Honest Coach saying it might his problem as well????


This is from the Triblive link I saw that you posted:

"You can't cover them all,” Narduzzi said. “They're going to spread you out. “(Ryan) Switzer's a good player,” he said of the UNC wide receiver. “Mitch (Trubisky, the UNC quarterback) is a good player. There's nothing you can do about it.”..................

I did see not anything you posted that suggested he took any blame. If he did in fact take some blame, then maybe we are turning a corner here. PLEASE INCLUDE THE LINK WERE HE SAID THOSE THINGS. I would be elated. It would show some proof that he is not merely insecure or just finding excuses or completely stubborn about always being right, but rather more interested in fixing things than .


He also said, the Defense Players are not communicating enough,


Okay, here's where I have another area of concern. In the same Triblive piece you posted the other day it said...

Safety Jordan Whitehead said the communication problems that plagued the secondary at Oklahoma State were eliminated Saturday. “We were communicating better,” he said. “That was an emphasis all week in practice, making sure everybody got their assignment.”

Players and the coaches are saying two different things. Which is ti?


Also, look at Switzer Runs, Catches and Routes, don't tell me Pitt is the blame for not stopping him, he did a super job, Pitt players did too, but in the end Switzer did it to Pitt again! I mean go look Switzer is covered, the throw is high because DL made it be thrown in 3 seconds, and he still comes down
with the Ball about a foot pass the 1st Down Marker???? Just great FB!

No doubt Switzer is talented, but if everyone is being completely honest here (including the coaches), we'd all have to admit Pitt's poor secondary play made him look even better. How can I back this up? It's simple. The Last two passing offense (QBs and WRS) Pitt played against put up career high numbers. Look at those players number against any other defense they've played. Pitt's number are the absolute worst. So while I must concede that Switzer and Johnson (WR from NC) are both talented receivers and that both the NC and OSU QBs are better than average, you and the coaches must concede that they had bigger numbers (in some cases far bigger numbers) against Pitt's secondary than any other team they played so far this season- and that includes non FBS teams. In other words, Yes, they played a against some solid passing teams, but no, they were not nearly as good as PN would have us believe with his comments after the games.


the analogy using a Lottery on a FB game is not relevant nor proper. FB games are won and lost by 4 to 5 plays many times, unlike Lotteries pure odds and luck. It is fact, Switzer comes down, drops, or is tackled one inch less, in Three of 4th Downs Pitt Wins! That is a Fact a not a Lottery Hit!

We can try this a different way if you'd prefer. Pitt has not only the worst pass defense (second worst by a different measurement) but also ranks at the bottom when it comes to opponents completions per game against them (124th out of 128) of all FBS teams and again barely made any stops in coverage thought the game. Yet, after the game, Narduzzi is quotes as saying,"You can't cover them all." No you can't Or even a few. But your comment makes it sound like you have DBs playing well, who just were unlucky to play such great opponents. The fact is your "worst in the league" pass defense stunk and there above average QB and receivers took advantage of it.

Rudolph struggled with the short passes all day and excelled with the deep balls. Even the announcers were talking about how Rudolph didn't seem to have the touch to drop shorter passes over LBs. Yet PN kept playing his CB right next to the the line of scrimmage.


Fool me one, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me. Right?



I agree had QB Peterman hit 3 Open Players Drives would have been kept alive as well. Also, Agree, Pitt had the bigger Lead through the Game, but came up short on executions on O and D in 4th quarter! also, that UNC And OKSU have great Coaches and Players. At the same time, when a Defense gives up 45 and 37 points that is on the Coaches too, but Players have to execute in both. O did and D did not?

Players/ teams preform better wen you play to their strengths. The O executed for a little more than 3 qtrs. and then they didn't, for the third game straight.
At the end of the day, even as bad as the secondary was in the game, the team was good enough to win if the coaches just didn't change up the play calling/ and strategy on offense for the last three series.
There is no sugarcoating it. Pitt lost a game it should have won. It's like an arm wrestling match where you have your opponent wrist bent back and you are an inch away from victory, but then all of the sudden you change the strategy and let up on what got you an inch away from victory, deciding to try a different strategy that does not play to the strength of your abilities and the opponent quickly jerks your arm back the other way and pins you. That's basically what happened here. The opponents coaches out coached Pitt's coaches in the last two games at the end- or maybe more appropriately put, Pitt coaches . Pitt's coaches did a nice job working to their strengths with the offense for 3 quarters and they did a nice job with the defensive line, but they took too many risks with DBs that couldn't handle what they were asking them to do and the coaches got away from their strengths on offense when they needed to stay the course. Period.
The coaches need to own much of both of Pitt's last two losses.

When the coaches decide to change how they call plays on offense (from what had been proven to be effective all game to something that did not play into the hands of the quarterback's and team's proven strength),
Well, 3 overthrows to wide open Players was good play calling and terrible execution?? Pitt Game Plan on Offense was working until last 3 minutes did the defense take over? If QB Nate hits 1, 2, or 3 open Players Drives stay alive and some had TD written all of them with no one in front of them, that is QB Execution problem. Not coaches at all?

I think you are not getting the point here: They took what was working- what Pitt was successfully able to execute all game for the third straight game , and pitched it in the garbage in the fourth quarter–– deciding instead to try something that did not play to their strengths (Nate throwing and Conner moving laterally). Remember these coaches have already made it clear that Nate is a Game Manager, not a Game Changer. Putting the game on the shoulders of Nate and some unproven receivers to come up with a victory, when you already had a winning strategy, just make ZERO sense.

ultimately believing they could always lean on the DBs (who again have not been able to cover against the pass all season) to come through and save the day (if needed), frankly doesn't sound like a smart strategy.
This is your interpretation and UNC QB had no problem hitting covered WR while under pressure and only 3 Time after missing 9 times? Coaches believing they could stop UNC QB & Switzer weer right 9 times as the Players executed it, then dropped Three 4th Downs by barely inched? This is still good football.

You may see it as the DBs only needing one stop. I see it as NC's solid passing offense has 4 chance to beat Pitt's terrible DBs for a first down. If you look at it my way you may then realize why statistically it works in NCs favor every time. I see a coach leaning on DBs who statistically are the worst in the FBS(128th out of 128) to win games for them instead of leaning on the offense with it's mix of jet sweeps and other running plays that statistically one of the best (9th out 128) other counters and other running. By the way the passing offense for Pitt, which Pitt coaches thought would work better) is near the bottom too (107th out of 128).

Why a coaching staff does not stick with it's strengths when the chips are down is beyond me. I just don't see how anyone can spin this in a way that let's the coaches off the hook for these losses. Not that you did. Just that it was sounding that way from the first Tribelive piece I saw you post after the game.


I appreciate your responses Captain even if you happen to have a different perspective on a situation. Overall though, I think we have far more areas where we agree than where we disagree.
 
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This is from the Triblive link I saw that you posted:

"You can't cover them all,” Narduzzi said. “They're going to spread you out. “(Ryan) Switzer's a good player,” he said of the UNC wide receiver. “Mitch (Trubisky, the UNC quarterback) is a good player. There's nothing you can do about it.”..................

I did see not anything you posted that suggested he took any blame. If he did in fact take some blame, then maybe we are turning a corner here. PLEASE INCLUDE THE LINK WERE HE SAID THOSE THINGS. I would be elated. It would show some proof that he is not merely insecure or just finding excuses or completely stubborn about always being right, but rather more interested in fixing things than .


He also said, the Defense Players are not communicating enough,


Okay, here's where I have another area of concern. In the same Triblive piece you posted the other day it said...

Safety Jordan Whitehead said the communication problems that plagued the secondary at Oklahoma State were eliminated Saturday. “We were communicating better,” he said. “That was an emphasis all week in practice, making sure everybody got their assignment.”

Players and the coaches are saying two different things. Which is ti?


Also, look at Switzer Runs, Catches and Routes, don't tell me Pitt is the blame for not stopping him, he did a super job, Pitt players did too, but in the end Switzer did it to Pitt again! I mean go look Switzer is covered, the throw is high because DL made it be thrown in 3 seconds, and he still comes down
with the Ball about a foot pass the 1st Down Marker???? Just great FB!

No doubt Switzer is talented, but if everyone is being completely honest here (including the coaches), we'd all have to admit Pitt's poor secondary play made him look even better. How can I back this up? It's simple. The Last two passing offense (QBs and WRS) Pitt played against put up career high numbers. Look at those players number against any other defense they've played. Pitt's number are the absolute worst. So while I must concede that Switzer and Johnson (WR from NC) are both talented receivers and that both the NC and OSU QBs are better than average, you and the coaches must concede that they had bigger numbers (in some cases far bigger numbers) against Pitt's secondary than any other team they played so far this season- and that includes non FBS teams. In other words, Yes, they played a against some solid passing teams, but no, they were not nearly as good as PN would have us believe with his comments after the games.


the analogy using a Lottery on a FB game is not relevant nor proper. FB games are won and lost by 4 to 5 plays many times, unlike Lotteries pure odds and luck. It is fact, Switzer comes down, drops, or is tackled one inch less, in Three of 4th Downs Pitt Wins! That is a Fact a not a Lottery Hit!

We can try this a different way if you'd prefer. Pitt has not only the worst pass defense (second worst by a different measurement) but also ranks at the bottom when it comes to opponents completions per game against them (124th out of 128) of all FBS teams and again barely made any stops in coverage thought the game. Yet, after the game, Narduzzi is quotes as saying,"You can't cover them all." No you can't Or even a few. But your comment makes it sound like you have DBs playing well, who just were unlucky to play such great opponents. The fact is your "worst in the league" pass defense stunk and there above average QB and receivers took advantage of it.

Rudolph struggled with the short passes all day and excelled with the deep balls. Even the announcers were talking about how Rudolph didn't seem to have the touch to drop shorter passes over LBs. Yet PN kept playing his CB right next to the the line of scrimmage.


Fool me one, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me. Right?



I agree had QB Peterman hit 3 Open Players Drives would have been kept alive as well. Also, Agree, Pitt had the bigger Lead through the Game, but came up short on executions on O and D in 4th quarter! also, that UNC And OKSU have great Coaches and Players. At the same time, when a Defense gives up 45 and 37 points that is on the Coaches too, but Players have to execute in both. O did and D did not?

Players/ teams preform better wen you play to their strengths. The O executed for a little more than 3 qtrs. and then they didn't, for the third game straight.
At the end of the day, even as bad as the secondary was in the game, the team was good enough to win if the coaches just didn't change up the play calling/ and strategy on offense for the last three series.
There is no sugarcoating it. Pitt lost a game it should have won. It's like an arm wrestling match where you have your opponent wrist bent back and you are an inch away from victory, but then all of the sudden you change the strategy and let up on what got you an inch away from victory, deciding to try a different strategy that does not play to the strength of your abilities and the opponent quickly jerks your arm back the other way and pins you. That's basically what happened here. The opponents coaches out coached Pitt's coaches in the last two games at the end- or maybe more appropriately put, Pitt coaches . Pitt's coaches did a nice job working to their strengths with the offense for 3 quarters and they did a nice job with the defensive line, but they took too many risks with DBs that couldn't handle what they were asking them to do and the coaches got away from their strengths on offense when they needed to stay the course. Period.
The coaches need to own much of both of Pitt's last two losses.

When the coaches decide to change how they call plays on offense (from what had been proven to be effective all game to something that did not play into the hands of the quarterback's and team's proven strength),
Well, 3 overthrows to wide open Players was good play calling and terrible execution?? Pitt Game Plan on Offense was working until last 3 minutes did the defense take over? If QB Nate hits 1, 2, or 3 open Players Drives stay alive and some had TD written all of them with no one in front of them, that is QB Execution problem. Not coaches at all?

I think you are not getting the point here: They took what was working- what Pitt was successfully able to execute all game for the third straight game , and pitched it in the garbage in the fourth quarter–– deciding instead to try something that did not play to their strengths (Nate throwing and Conner moving laterally). Remember these coaches have already made it clear that Nate is a Game Manager, not a Game Changer. Putting the game on the shoulders of Nate and some unproven receivers to come up with a victory, when you already had a winning strategy, just make ZERO sense.

ultimately believing they could always lean on the DBs (who again have not been able to cover against the pass all season) to come through and save the day (if needed), frankly doesn't sound like a smart strategy.
This is your interpretation and UNC QB had no problem hitting covered WR while under pressure and only 3 Time after missing 9 times? Coaches believing they could stop UNC QB & Switzer weer right 9 times as the Players executed it, then dropped Three 4th Downs by barely inched? This is still good football.

You may see it as the DBs only needing one stop. I see it as NC's solid passing offense has 4 chance to beat Pitt's terrible DBs for a first down. If you look at it my way you may then realize why statistically it works in NCs favor every time. I see a coach leaning on DBs who statistically are the worst in the FBS(128th out of 128) to win games for them instead of leaning on the offense with it's mix of jet sweeps and other running plays that statistically one of the best (9th out 128) other counters and other running. By the way the passing offense for Pitt, which Pitt coaches thought would work better) is near the bottom too (107th out of 128).

Why a coaching staff does not stick with it's strengths when the chips are down is beyond me. I just don't see how anyone can spin this in a way that let's the coaches off the hook for these losses. Not that you did. Just that it was sounding that way from the first Tribelive piece I saw you post after the game.


I appreciate your responses Captain even if you happen to have a different perspective on a situation. Overall though, I think we have far more areas where we agree than where we disagree.
Well, there was plenty of debate on certain plays and like the coach said they made one more that Pitt? Which one can be debated, it also included in Coach mentioning DL could have done better at the end like Cruzer said too.

I am happy how this team is being coached and they admitted they have more work to do as coaches. They lost as Team and coming back to do better together. I don't mind other views! The key is stopping the bleeding and improve form losing 7 and 1 Points Games!
 
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A good read for all and an excerpt backing up on what Narduzzi is trying to do and emphasize and from the most successful coach in CFB with NFL experience that learn under and with Belichick taking 40 years of great coaching to perfect....It all started at West Virginia values raising and Michigan State Head Coaching and Coach Pat deserves his 4 years to put his own in system that Saban took 40 is all I am saying.
Excerpt:

"What really separates Saban from the crowd is his organizational modus operandi. In Tuscaloosa they call it the Process. It’s an approach he implemented first in turnarounds at Michigan State and LSU and seems to have perfected at Alabama. He has a plan for everything. He has a detailed program for his players to follow, and he’s highly regimented. Above all, Saban keeps his players and coaches focused on execution — yes, another word for process — rather than results."
Sound like your typical chief executive? “I think it’s identical,” Saban says, digging into his salad. “First of all, you’ve got to have a vision of ‘What kind of program do I want to have?’ Then you’ve got to have a plan to implement it. Then you’ve got to set the example that you want, develop the principles and values that are important, and get people to buy into it.”

Sounds simple. But it’s taken Saban 40 years to perfect the Process............Plenty of coaches are intense, and a lot of them work hard. In fact, most do. Where Saban stands apart is the execution at all levels of his operation. That means defining expectations for his players athletically, academically, and personally, and — and this is critical — always following through............
As hard as he drives everyone around him to prepare, Saban is careful not to be overbearing when it’s time to compete. Before each game the coaches have what they call a what-if meeting. (What if this happens? What if that happens?) And Saban makes sure to express his confidence in the staff, says defensive coordinator Kirby Smart. Says Smart: “He’ll be like, ‘Look, guys, tomorrow the plan’s there. You, as the guy making the calls, are not going to make or not make the play. So have confidence in it; believe in it. If the kids don’t make the plays, we’ll live with it. And it’s all on me.’ It’s always one voice. That’s all we’ve got here: one voice coming out of that chair. If we ever screw it up, he has always taken the blame and never pointed at a coach or a person or a kid. And I think that helps the whole organization. It gives you confidence before the game that, ‘Hey, we’ve got a plan. We’ve outworked everybody at this point. Let’s go execute it and do it.’ ”..................
“But what that game made me realize is how much better it is for people not to worry about the opposition but to focus on executing and know if they do their job correctly they’re going to be successful, rather than thinking the other guy’s going to determine the outcome.”.............
Saban’s commitment to developing his players — or his “product,” as he suggests an organization should think of its people in his book — goes way beyond monitoring their academic progress. He invests a lot of time (and athletic department money) to understand them as people and teach them how to accept coaching.............
Says Saban: “It all goes back to helping the players, but individual players being successful makes the team more successful. Now, everybody always says there’s no ‘I’ in team, but there is an ‘I’ in win, because the individuals make the team what it is, and how they think and what they do is important to the team. So when you act like the individual is not important, well, it is damn important who these people are and what they are.”

LINK:
http://fortune.com/2012/09/07/leadership-lessons-from-alabama-football-coach-nick-saban/


I like what I see in Narduzzi's value he brings from Youngstown under his Father, and what he learned at Michigan State with Dantonio and I think he will get the job down beyond his 17th game so far, just my opinion and hunch! Please be aware that Narduzzi at 50 is rebuilding a Pitt Program that Saban did to MSU at 39?

I am not asking for more time for Narduzzi it is my opinion he is doing what it takes to establish similar values in a Program that by no means gives him the resources that LSU & Bama gave Saban. But the Coaching Concepts are the same......learn about your Players as Individuals to make great Game Plans for the Teams and then keep teaching "Execution" is an "I" in Individuals to help Teams wIn!


I respect the opinions voice here and welcome those that may disagree!
 
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While everyone is piling on the atrocious play of the DB's (understandably so) something that's been overlooked is how little pass rush we're getting outside of Price. We had 3 4th down stop opportunities and couldn't get to the passer when we obviously knew what was coming. One key sack and the horrible coverage doesn't matter.

I say play some of the young guys in clear passing situations. Let's see if Watts or Camp (or someone else) can get pressure when Price is double teamed.

Cruzer

Exhaustion sets in on the pass rushers when teams throw the ball all the time. I can't blame the pass rushers for being put of gas near the end of a game. Again, though, that's a function of poor DB play.
 
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On the last 4th and 9 conversion they brought Maddox off the corner and he clearly had his facemask pulled and yanked. Now I am not blaming the refs for this loss by any means, but as in the video above you see a Pitt player being tackled as he heads to the QB, and Price is being held like James Harrison in his prime.

But with all that aside, the Maddox non call was egregious as if it is called it goes from 4th and 9 to 4th and 24. Now with this secondary, it could still have been picked up but this makes a big difference.
 
I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as the rest of you...but I might offer that to the untrained eye every team we've played for the past 2 years has had a better QB? Even when they play their backups. This does not in any way diminish the damage done by the three blind mice in our defensive backfield. That's already well documented.

Our QB is not a P5 QB, and therefore can't perform like one when we need him to. Hate to over simplify because there's more to it - like only one competent WR each season- but he's not good and not confident.
 
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