Oh now you predicted us to win! I don’t believe your prediction was quite that strong although I am pleased you got the West lock wrong!
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Check the Pitt +4.5 spread where I said I think we win this because Louisville sucks
He’s just a guy. Can’t play defense, occasionally makes a shot. Doesn’t put pressure on defense in transition or at the hoop.
Keyshawn Hall is going to visit Pitt for an official and likely get an offer on the visit. He is also being recruited by Hugley who he is friends with, is from Cleveland, and is connected to Chet Mason, Hugley's Coach who is also the Coach of Marlon Barnes and is also connected with 2023 major target stud point guard Jaylen Curry over the summer. 6'7 250lb power forward / wing with guard skills and a build like Jaron Brown. Recently put Pitt in his Top 3, 2022 player. There is a very good chance he chooses Pitt over Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Georgia Tech, and Mizzou.
He recently scored 48 points and destroyed IMG Academy, one of the best high school teams in the country.
He recently scored 48 points and destroyed IMG Academy, one of the best high school teams in the country.
You said the same thing about his friend, John Hugley...
I said Hugley was an A10 center. A10 centers don’t stink. He’s about the 6th or 7th best center in the ACC. So he’d be the all A10
a kid who has no skills other than being bigger than guys in Hs at 6’7 doesn’t translate to college. He stinks.
We currently have a 6’5 kid whose only discernible skill in Hs was being bigger than his competition and as predicted, Jeffress stinks too.
Hall is fine if he’s your 3rd/4th player in Your class and you hope he loses some weight and he can find a way to succeed as a power guard type… but it’s most likely his game won’t translate. He does nothing for next year.
We need 4 ACC level ready guys for next year. A developmental guy isn’t nearly enough.
We need a starting point guard.
We need an adequate replacement for Gueye.
We need a capable bench C/PF
Anything less,is another year with no progress
Really , you need to follow another team and do most of us a favor , one that doesn’t stink !
We desperately need outside shooting. Add that to the list as well.
We have people comparing John Hugley, who is playing his first full season in college, to redshirt seniors right now.
What does that tell you. It should tell you everything you need to know, lol.
Hugley is a good player, but not elite. It is more a response to SMF’s hyperbole.
Do you recall who you were talking about when you replied this to me?
"He averaged 4 PPG. I’m sorry you can find a any guard in the transfer portal that can get 2 buckets a game in 19 minutes. If you’re expecting more from him than that, not sure what to tell you."
I think John is being unfairly compared to other players further along their development mostly on better teams.
He's good now and getting better. He's a high end college player. I love the hoodie I bought off him.
As I said in the other thread, as soon as the NCAA stops allowing those other teams to play their juniors and seniors against our sophomore then we can stop comparing the players. Unfortunately for us, it doesn't look like they are going to do that.
He's being compared to the other players that he has to play against. Which is exactly who he should be compared with. When we play Carolina no one is going to care that Bacot is a junior and Hugley is a sophomore who didn't play much last year. They are only going to care what they do on the court that day. When we played Syracuse no one cared that Jesse Edwards was a junior and Hugley is a sophomore who didn't play much last year. They only cared about what happened on the court that night.
Haha I mean the only reason anybody is saying anything negative at all about him is because of SMF. If SMF could just go a day without posting hot takes like “Hugley will be the best returning big in Cbb” or “Hugley is in the Top 3 bigs in college basketball” then I think everybody would agree he’s pretty damn good and will likely keep getting better. But SMF going to SMF.
Yes. Burton, the lottery ticket they took that’s been good. Take enough scratch offs and they’ve hit a few. Of course, we’re 7-10 so beating your chest over a guard getting off a few games is very odd to me.
I’d take the time to find what you said when I told u Femi wasn’t a PG, but I really don’t care.
Funny to read you change the topics when it's pointed out that you have been incorrect on most of your predictions.
I love wide body players. Time and time again these guys over perform their national ranking. Lett, Troutman, Blair, Hugley... It isnt just at Pitt. Bonzie Coleman was a 6'4 center at Notre Dame who averaged 20 and 9 in the acc. Luke Harandogy, Kris Jenkins who hit the national title winner etc. the list goes on and on with these wide body studs in the post.
It is one of the reasons I want Amani Hansberry badly in 2023 when all these national recruiting guys dont think he is athletic enough and dropped his national ranking out of the top 100 when schools like Kansas want him and offered him and the kid has a ton of power 6 offers after having a strong EYBL last summer. Another wide body that is going to be a bear in college.
I like Hall's potential at power forward. He has a legit handle and passing for a frontcourt player and has the skillset to be a pain in the ass when sticking him in the middle of a 2-3 zone. He easily can be a Nasir Robinson in that role with the tape above where he can blow past taller defenders off the bounce or make the pass in high low action to the bigs. Its a bit cloudy in terms of who they want the most when Pitt is also recruiting players like Leonard Miller from Canada hard in the frontcourt who is also being recruited by a bunch of schools like Kansas.
We’re 7-10. Burton isn’t a winning player. I wasn’t wrong. Not even a little bit.
We have a bunch of average players and then Hugley. Someone HAS to score. Someone has to rebound. If we end up with a winning record, he’ll have made a difference.
39 percent shooter. 32 percent from 3. 2.4 assists. 1 steal per game is pretty solid. Price is right horn.
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I agree with a lot of your posts but definitely not w/r to Burton.
He’s not bad. But he’s not even shooting 40 percent as a guard and not 33 percent from 3. Those aren’t good numbers. 11 shots to get 13 a game isn’t great. It’s just ok.
Some games he has looked really good. Just not consistent enough.
I mostly agree but sometimes in college basketball you see these unique players succeed. Kris Jenkins, Austin Freeman, etc. But then you have your Shamiel Stevenson's. I don't know what Hall will be. I'd probably bet against him since his rank is so low but his body type scares away scouts whether he's really good or not.
After listening to a podcast, I do think Hall is coming to Pitt FWIW.
Your look at me and my predictions has surpassed SMF and Vader. Something to think about.
It’s a Pitt message board to talk about players, games, recruits and the programs and people take it way too seriously. If it weren’t for me Vader and SMF’s bickering this board would be boring.
The guy missed 5 weeks from a surgery. In his last 7 games his numbers are - 16.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 32-33 FT (97%), 40.7% 3FG
So you’re pulling the Vader tactic of leaving out certain games? If he keeps that pace, I will be horrifically wrong and it will be great because it will lead to a few more wins. If he regresses to his mean, he’ll be just another college hoops guard.
honest question, do you think there’s a huge difference between him and Marcus Carr? I think they’re the same player, essentially. High volume guys who if surrounded by others can win some games and maybe can win some games on their own when the best player but not terribly efficient and gonna just will you to win after win like elite guards? I just don’t see a huge use for scoring combo guards who aren’t efficient.
Moving the argument again I see.
Imo, it's silly to not consider that a player missed 5 weeks at the start of a season from a surgery.
To look at his most recent games against P6/ACC. teams just makes more sense to me. I would make the same argument for Mo and Hugley for different reasons with each.
To the bigger point, if Sibande and Horton were in the top 7 or 8 rotation - this team is likely in the 11-6 (if not better) range with a winning record in the ACC. Not sure why Burton should be blamed for Pitt missing 2 of their expected leading scorers.
This doesn't mean either are all-world players just better than the guys who are forced to play more in their absence. That's probably enough to avoid so many close losses.
Basically here's been your argument all along - you say all of these players suck. When it's obvious that they don't suck (instead of simply saying that you were wrong) you change the argument to the team hasn't won enough or now comparing someone like Burton to an All-B1G player.
I will say this about Capel, he has done a good job identifying lower level transfers who can compete at this level. Calling all of them lottery tickets is also silly considering it's not just Burton. He's done a good job developing a good percentage of players so far. We are still waiting on the huge senior season you saw coming once X was shown the door. It is looking like Capel was getting everything out of him.
There is still a long way to go this season but if he gets them to completely turn the corner- we very well could be looking at this season as one that set the foundation to be successful in the future or he just as easily could be gone in 2 years.
But your initial take was “dime a dozen” coming out of the portal. (4 points per game yadda yadda). How have you already established a “mean” for this player? He is becoming consistent because the team is currently finding out how to replace two very important players who were counted on to be a huge part of the backcourt rotation. The coach may be barking for Burton to be the man - at practice and during games - this may not have been the case earlier in the season. Think maybe his role is evolving and hopefully you agree with that notion.
Marcus Carr is a lot closer to Xavier Johnson than he is to Burton.
Burton is almost always under control and slowly works to gain an advantage with body positioning.
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