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Marlon Barnes Jr Committed

We’re 7-10. Burton isn’t a winning player. I wasn’t wrong. Not even a little bit.

We have a bunch of average players and then Hugley. Someone HAS to score. Someone has to rebound. If we end up with a winning record, he’ll have made a difference.

39 percent shooter. 32 percent from 3. 2.4 assists. 1 steal per game is pretty solid. Price is right horn.

Burton is 100% a winning player, he’s showing that right now.

All you have is words- and you’re wrong more than you’re right so your words even more meaningless than most.

Plus you make so many predictions, some have to be right.

we know where you stand. I guess we will see who’s right and who’s wrong
 
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But your initial take was “dime a dozen” coming out of the portal. (4 points per game yadda yadda). How have you already established a “mean” for this player? He is becoming consistent because the team is currently finding out how to replace two very important players who were counted on to be a huge part of the backcourt rotation. The coach may be barking for Burton to be the man - at practice and during games - this may not have been the case earlier in the season. Think maybe his role is evolving and hopefully you agree with that notion.

He is a really good basketball player. We need a few more players from the transfer portal that can impact the game like he does. He was a fantastic add.
 
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Moving the argument again I see.

Imo, it's silly to not consider that a player missed 5 weeks at the start of a season from a surgery.

To look at his most recent games against P6/ACC. teams just makes more sense to me. I would make the same argument for Mo and Hugley for different reasons with each.

To the bigger point, if Sibande and Horton were in the top 7 or 8 rotation - this team is likely in the 11-6 (if not better) range with a winning record in the ACC. Not sure why Burton should be blamed for Pitt missing 2 of their expected leading scorers.

This doesn't mean either are all-world players just better than the guys who are forced to play more in their absence. That's probably enough to avoid so many close losses.

Basically here's been your argument all along - you say all of these players suck. When it's obvious that they don't suck (instead of simply saying that you were wrong) you change the argument to the team hasn't won enough or now comparing someone like Burton to an All-B1G player.

I will say this about Capel, he has done a good job identifying lower level transfers who can compete at this level. Calling all of them lottery tickets is also silly considering it's not just Burton. He's done a good job developing a good percentage of players so far. We are still waiting on the huge senior season you saw coming once X was shown the door. It is looking like Capel was getting everything out of him.

There is still a long way to go this season but if he gets them to completely turn the corner- we very well could be looking at this season as one that set the foundation to be successful in the future or he just as easily could be gone in 2 years.
Agree since my concurrent post was similar. I did notice the usual posters giving Mack more of the credit for the defeat and not giving Pitt credit for the victory. I’ve said all along that this team that was scraped together was a vision by the coach back in the spring - including the two missing prominent parts. Players in the portal are not lottery picks IF you scout potential and how they will fit your vision for your team that particular year. But I still think changes should be made with the staff to better the connection with prep programs.
 
Everyone deals with injuries, everyone deals with suspensions, transfers, covid etc. Saying we’d have a different record because of two guards who played major minutes every game down the stretch with a better player in Champagnie and a supposed better Pg in Femi than XJ and we went 1-4 is quite the stretch. Maybe we win one more game. Horton is much more valuable than high volume Nike.

And again, no one has told me the difference between Burton and Carr other than Burton only getting one coach fired instead of two (so far).
 
Marcus Carr is a lot closer to Xavier Johnson than he is to Burton.

Burton is almost always under control and slowly works to gain an advantage with body positioning.
XJ shoots better (and less) creates MUCH better and is a better defender than either Carr or Burton.

That’s just flat out stupidity. Carr is so bad the Texas coaches tried to force him to leave mid season and the only reason they let him back was because Canada was gonna be shut off to them. And he’s been more efficient than Burton this year.
 
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XJ shoots better (and less) creates MUCH better and is a better defender than either Carr or Burton.

That’s just flat out stupidity. Carr is so bad the Texas coaches tried to force him to leave mid season and the only reason they let him back was because Canada was gonna be shut off to them. And he’s been more efficient than Burton this year.


Marcus Carr has played more minutes this year for Texas than any other player on the entire roster. Regardless of your own opinion, Chris Beard thinks Carr is valuable since he plays him the most minutes. Texas is also a ranked team.
 
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Marcus Carr has played more minutes this year for Texas than any other player on the entire roster. Regardless of your own opinion, Chris Beard thinks Carr is valuable since he plays him the most minutes. Texas is also a ranked team.
That has not changed either. Averaged 34.5 minutes for the last 2 games
 
Marcus Carr has played more minutes this year for Texas than any other player on the entire roster. Regardless of your own opinion, Chris Beard thinks Carr is valuable since he plays him the most minutes. Texas is also a ranked team.
Ha. I know what Chris Beard (and his assistants) think of him. Staff is a mess. Team is a jumbled mess. They’re gonna have mass exodus and have to start anew and there will be staff changes as he hired 3 recruiters, no great coaches, (like a Mark Adams).

Texas is gonna do a full reboot after this season because beard got away from everything that’s made him successful as a coach because he thought he needed to bring in an all star team because it’s Texas.
 
Ha. I know what Chris Beard (and his assistants) think of him. Staff is a mess. Team is a jumbled mess. They’re gonna have mass exodus and have to start anew and there will be staff changes as he hired 3 recruiters, no great coaches, (like a Mark Adams).

Texas is gonna do a full reboot after this season because beard got away from everything that’s made him successful as a coach because he thought he needed to bring in an all star team because it’s Texas.

I don't necessarily disagree with what you wrote with regarding Burton and his efficiency metrics except for the fact that I don't see his shooting or midrange game dropping off anytime soon if ever. He is shooting 92% from the free throw line and has been a really good mid range shooter his entire career.

In other words, from an efficiency standpoint currently, you could compare Burton and Carr for the whole season. My issue is, is that the last 10 games in a row Burton has been playing at a completely different level from an efficiency standpoint. You can also add the fact his last 4 game stretch he is running over 120+ ORTG each game, something Champ never accomplished in college. He is playing at a very high level, both with scoring and other metrics, and he is very efficient while doing this 10 games straight which is impressive. I think there is plenty of reason to think he has the capability of averaging 110+ ORTG if healthy, which is better than preseason expectations. And I think he is capable of averaging that next year.
 
I don't necessarily disagree with what you wrote with regarding Burton and his efficiency metrics except for the fact that I don't see his shooting or midrange game dropping off anytime soon if ever. He is shooting 92% from the free throw line and has been a really good mid range shooter his entire career.

In other words, from an efficiency standpoint currently, you could compare Burton and Carr for the whole season. My issue is, is that the last 10 games in a row Burton has been playing at a completely different level from an efficiency standpoint. You can also add the fact his last 4 game stretch he is running over 120+ ORTG each game, something Champ never accomplished in college. He is playing at a very high level, both with scoring and other metrics, and he is very efficient while doing this 10 games straight which is impressive. I think there is plenty of reason to think he has the capability of averaging 110+ ORTG if healthy, which is better than preseason expectations. And I think he is capable of averaging that next year.
He’s better with the ball in his hands and Femi at the 2/3 so that’s probably why. If he could create a little more pressure on the defense and create more for others, I’d take the all time L.
 
I think sometimes it’s difficult to predict how a player will do going from HS to college.

I recall several thinking Jeffress was a great pickup and were super excited. He’s still very young and time will tell.

I recall a video of Hugley dunking during a practice or just messing around and some on here claiming the dude will never cut it and was extremely unathletic and awkward.

There was a great debate about Pryor and that he was a dime a dozen at 6’6” and nothing special on the court and should go the football route.

Again, pretty tough to say who will be a boom or bust based on HS body of work and not fully matured body.
 
Why? Him Vader and SMF all are useful contributors in their own (sometimes obnoxious) ways.

For a free message board for maybe thr worst P6 program, I think this board is pretty good. I enjoy all the contributions, even the ones who don't agree with me. Souf can be a pain but I'm glad he's back. He serves his purpose as the contrarian. Plus, I'm going to win $1000 from him.
 
For a free message board for maybe thr worst P6 program, I think this board is pretty good. I enjoy all the contributions, even the ones who don't agree with me. Souf can be a pain but I'm glad he's back. He serves his purpose as the contrarian. Plus, I'm going to win $1000 from him.

Yep

Vader gives us good stats and recruit info - but tells us every recruit is either MJ or Steph and that Class of _____insert class after this one___ kids LOVE Pitt

Bballinsider is somewhat connected in bball industry and has good info/evaluations for the most part but loves to tell you when he hits (unfortunately he’s been mostly correct w his mostly negative outlook)

And then there’s you… our own Skip Bayless who just thinks of the craziest ideas and then convinces yourself they are true. And keeps us updated with JUCO and NAIA conference realignment.
 
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XJ shoots better (and less) creates MUCH better and is a better defender than either Carr or Burton.

That’s just flat out stupidity. Carr is so bad the Texas coaches tried to force him to leave mid season and the only reason they let him back was because Canada was gonna be shut off to them. And he’s been more efficient than Burton this year.

In conference games:

Burton is shooting 45/44/100 while averaging 15.8 ppg / 4.3 rpg 2.8 apg and 1.5 tpg in 34 mpg

X is shooting 30/21/65 while averaging 8.3 ppg/ 4.5 rpg / 3.8 apg / 1.8 tpg in 24 minutes / game

So who’s the better shooter again? And shouldn’t X has better #’s since he’s the better player on the better team?
 
Yep

Vader gives us good stats and recruit info - but tells us every recruit is either MJ or Steph and that Class of _____insert class after this one___ kids LOVE Pitt

Bballinsider is somewhat connected in bball industry and has good info/evaluations for the most part but loves to tell you when he hits (unfortunately he’s been mostly correct w his mostly negative outlook)

And then there’s you… our own Skip Bayless who just thinks of the craziest ideas and then convinces yourself they are true. And keeps us updated with JUCO and NAIA conference realignment.

I didn't like Vader's contributions at first but have learned to translate his overly optimistic recruiting info.

BballinsiderfromPitt - I like his info even if its wrong, which it mostly is.
 
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For a free message board for maybe thr worst P6 program, I think this board is pretty good. I enjoy all the contributions, even the ones who don't agree with me. Souf can be a pain but I'm glad he's back. He serves his purpose as the contrarian. Plus, I'm going to win $1000 from him.
So this is your officially accepting the bet ?
Fantastic
 
I was joking. There is no way to prove NIL offers. If you can figure out a way to prove which teams offer Hugley a deal, I will consider it.
You are the one who made the statement.
I offered the null hypothesis .
The alternative is you admit you are wrong.
 
Your bs statement was impossible to prove .
You cowarded

If you figure out a way to prove which schools offer Hugley money to transfer, I will accept your bet. So its on you. You are asking me to risk $1000 for something that is impossible to verify and you sound so stupid with this whole idea. Even if Hugley stays at Pitt, it would be impossible to prove or disprove that Auburn offered him $100K. Perhaps Pitt matched it for him to stay or at least got close. We would never know.
 
If you figure out a way to prove which schools offer Hugley money to transfer, I will accept your bet. So its on you. You are asking me to risk $1000 for something that is impossible to verify and you sound so stupid with this whole idea. Even if Hugley stays at Pitt, it would be impossible to prove or disprove that Auburn offered him $100K. Perhaps Pitt matched it for him to stay or at least got close. We would never know.
I know who killed Tupac
 
If you figure out a way to prove which schools offer Hugley money to transfer, I will accept your bet. So its on you. You are asking me to risk $1000 for something that is impossible to verify and you sound so stupid with this whole idea. Even if Hugley stays at Pitt, it would be impossible to prove or disprove that Auburn offered him $100K. Perhaps Pitt matched it for him to stay or at least got close. We would never know.
I agree it was a very stupid thing for you to suggest
I simply pointed out how stupid it was
 
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