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Mav Rowan

King Of All Message Boards

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Jan 9, 2009
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Evidently Pitt is back in play and according to Steinbrink the Nike/Adidas thing is no longer a factor. Reclassifying still an option. Anyone else have any info?

Papa Rowan played with Mullin so could SJU now be a factor?
 
I can confirm all of these things are true and that the Panthers are very much in the mix.
 
Man. After all of the kicks in the rosin bags we've all had as Pitt fans (been a lifetime fan of hoops and football) aren't we due for some things to go our way? Could we possibly get Cheick and Mav? A guy can dream I guess haha.
 
I wouldn't say great.

"Promising," but not great.
 
Papa Rowen may have played with Mullen but if he points his son to the mess that is St. John's he would be nuts.
 
Originally posted by King Of All Message Boards:
Man. After all of the kicks in the rosin bags we've all had as Pitt fans (been a lifetime fan of hoops and football) aren't we due for some things to go our way? Could we possibly get Cheick and Mav? A guy can dream I guess haha.
Since you referenced the "kicks", perhaps let's wait until it actually happens until we even dream about it.
 
I've been following Pitt hoops closely for a long time.

Beginning with the Spring of my Freshman year, when the only recruiting information you could get came from blurbs in the newspapers (or rumors from "insiders", generally players or managers who were as clueless as we students were), I have avidly waited for good news in the Spring signing period for 45 years. That first Spring, we were "locks" to sign Maurice Lucas and Rickey Coleman.

Yeah, Right.

While we did land Charles Smith and Demetris Gore, it is perhaps illustrative that later Gore got stopped at the airport with a gym bag full if cash. Admittedly, that was 4 years later but it was probably still pretty symbolic of why we briefly had a surge in recruiting in that era.

Bottom line is, it's great that we have a decent chance to bring in some huge recruits like Diallo and Rowan this Spring. But too often, I have watched helplessly as Lucy pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown and coveted recruits go elsewhere in the Spring.

I remain hopeful, but it becomes more difficult every year to invest too much emotionally in Pitt sports, especially in recruiting. That's a huge reason I greatly prefer coaches who can do more with less.
 
Originally posted by King Of All Message Boards:
Evidently Pitt is back in play and according to Steinbrink the Nike/Adidas thing is no longer a factor. Reclassifying still an option. Anyone else have any info?

Papa Rowan played with Mullin so could SJU now be a factor?
Why does this kid's recruiting journey make me think about Khem Birch a bit and wouldn't be surprised after December of his first year he wants to transfer?
 
Following recruiting is kind of interesting, but I never count on a guy playing for Pitt until I actually see him wearing a uniform. And even then, who knows what could still happen.
 
Your wife, unlike a lot of us, sounds like a wise person. I try not to get all that caught up in it either - even if there's a verbal. But like I said earlier - dare to dream I guess.
 
I helps to keep remembering that we have Wilson signed and Heron committed. Fingers crossed that Heron signs too but hopefully this recruiting thing is finally turning as we enter our third year in the ACC.
 
I would happy with an Antonio Graves and Ontario Lett type late signee out of nowhere. Don't care about the stars - just want production.
 
Originally posted by Harve74:
I've been following Pitt hoops closely for a long time.

Beginning with the Spring of my Freshman year, when the only recruiting information you could get came from blurbs in the newspapers (or rumors from "insiders", generally players or managers who were as clueless as we students were), I have avidly waited for good news in the Spring signing period for 45 years. That first Spring, we were "locks" to sign Maurice Lucas and Rickey Coleman.

Yeah, Right.

While we did land Charles Smith and Demetris Gore, it is perhaps illustrative that later Gore got stopped at the airport with a gym bag full if cash. Admittedly, that was 4 years later but it was probably still pretty symbolic of why we briefly had a surge in recruiting in that era.

Bottom line is, it's great that we have a decent chance to bring in some huge recruits like Diallo and Rowan this Spring. But too often, I have watched helplessly as Lucy pulls the ball away from Charlie Brown and coveted recruits go elsewhere in the Spring.

I remain hopeful, but it becomes more difficult every year to invest too much emotionally in Pitt sports, especially in recruiting. That's a huge reason I greatly prefer coaches who can do more with less.
Harve, a question. Any idea who was on the coaching staff during that time frame?

As for the Lucy/Charlie Brown reference and Pitt sports, please I want credit and royalties to any reference to this.
 
I believe Seth Greenberg and John Calipari were known to get their hands dirty. Maybe others can confirm.
 
Chipman's original recruiters were Greenberg (1980-83) and Reggie Warford. Joe DiGregorio was his bench coach in the later half of his tenure.

Warford got caught trying to buy a Kentucky high school star, as exposed in a Louisville Herald-Leader article. He didn't get another coaching job for a long time. He won a retrial on the lawsuit about the article, on appeal, but not on having the offer disproved, rather on his not being a public figure and entitled to a different standard of privacy. The case was eventually settled out of court.

Greenberg was a counselor at the 5-Star camps and is credited with recruiting Curtis Aiken. When Greenberg left, he was replaced by Jay Eck, who, frankly, I didn't even remember. I barely remember him after finding his picture in some old programs.

I think it was the old Eastern Basketball magazine that alleged Charles Smith's mother held a closed bid, Chinese auction for his services. Smith signed in April 1984, so the staff then was Chipman, Warford, Eck and DiGregorio.

Calipari was hired the last year, 1985, under Chipman, replacing Eck. He was the only coach retained and coached several years under Evans, recruiting the Miller, Matthews, Shorter, Martin and Porter class. He may or may not have been involved in the Doug West fiasco when Pitt and Villanova traded accusations of attempts to buy the player. West's mother allegedly produced a $10000 check signed by a Pitt booster and trustee. He had moved on to head coach at UMass by the time the infamous All-Prop 48 class was signed in 1990.

John Sarandrea replaced Calipari as chief recruiter until he was charged with violations over Jamal Faulkner. To be fair, Sarandrea probably would have brought several very good players to Pitt (who went to Syracuse or UConn instead) if Pitt had admitted them. After the All-Prop 48 class, the Killer B's raised academic standards unilaterally. He recruited very well to New Castle later and won a state title there.

While looking up the details on this, I found a quote I had never seen before. I believe it was from the PG archives. Roy Chipman allegedly told someone he decided to retire because his 9-year old daughter asked him if he was going to jail because of recruiting violations. As I said, I NEVER saw this before and yes, I'm well aware of the questionable veracity of things on the internet. Full disclosure: I am NOT a French model.

The Charlie Brown/Lucy reference IS a good one.

There are people who usually have good information who think we are in good shape on both Diallo and Rowan, but to make ANOTHER cartoon analogy, Pitt sports has been Joe Bftsplk, the guy with a constant dark cloud over his head from L'il Abner. Our Athletic Department motto should be Murphy's Law. If something can go wrong, it will.

This post was edited on 4/4 11:24 PM by Harve74
 
Harve's Encyclopedic Pitt Basketball History column should be a regular feature.
 
Nah, there's a good chance my massive missives are severely reduced soon. Mrs. 74 retires in a month and she will have PLENTY of other things for me to do beside "wasting hours on that Pitt board!"
 
I hope I am wrong, but this is starting to look like two of the top guys we are looking at (Diallo and Rowan) could be headed elsewhere. Seems really hard for us to land the big fish.
 
It's not starting to look that way, it has looked that way for a long time. If anything, it looks like we are possibly in slightly better shape than before, but that doesn't mean much I guess if we go from 10% chance to 20% chance. But, there is still a chance.
 
I know I am doing my best to remain positive about our chances, and I will continue to be positive until I have seen they have signed elsewhere.
 
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