...the Sooners and the Cowboys were both impressive in their bowl games.
Maybe the Big 12 was a bit overlooked...
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I'm not ripping on the Big 12 or Oklahoma, but how does one of the better bowls have an 8-4 Auburn team playing in it. Was it an SEC standings thing or they just knew their fans would show up?
They were the second highest ranked team after Alabama in the SEC. Similar to why USC played in the Rose Bowl instead of Colorado and Florida State in the Orange in place Louisville. Not to mention, the reason Michigan played in the Orange and Wisconsin the Cotton.
Again, let's not forget that USC and Florida State were 9-3 teams. Better than 8-4 but not by much. Auburn also had to play Clemson and Alabama this season.
Florida State didn't have many marquee wins and they got into the Orange with 3 losses. I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that FSU beat only one ranked team going into bowl season, Florida Gators. It will be more than that now with The U likely finishing in the polls and the win over Michigan. I'd say their best wins this season were Ole Miss, The U, Michigan and Florida. They lost to Louisville, UNC and Clemson though.
I hear you, but at least the ACC proved to be the most balanced conference this season. Auburn also lost 4 games. It was a weird year, with so many teams with 2+ losses playing in major bowl games. I can't help but think that Pitt missed an opportunity.
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Oklahoma was great and all but they played half of the game against Auburn's backup QB AND played their RB who should have been suspended for the game.
Conference had 4 Winning Teams OU, OKSU, WVU & KSU! The Six Other had losing records and OU lost to OSU that got blown away by Clemson? WVU did not beat one Ranked Team? Better to break them up and put them in Power Four conferences, again, no Team for them in the CFB Playoffs.
I think we spend too much time trying to rank the conferences when everything is predicated on individual matchups for each team. As a whole, I don't think the Big 12 was very good at all, but teams stocked with Texas talent could pose matchup nightmares for more than a few teams from other P5 conferences. It honestly just depends on the draw for a specific game.
I've been saying that for a couple years now. Even when the big ten has good teams at the top, this year especially the bottom is complete garbage. The ACC rarely has any really bad teams, maybe one or two at most in some seasons. Even when there's not a great team, the ACC is always good enough that there are usually never any guaranteed wins.
Bowls suck. 9 conference game schedule, 11 regular season games and 16 team playoff.
Football games are zero-sum games, someone wins or loses and for the entire season, it not just about one game. So, games can be weighed and on many other factors as well.
Individuals Performances are also factors weighed in Post-Season Awards and that is just one factor as well! Saying that should be the Individual Match-ups Factor when it is a Team Sport is even far less reliable?
Texas talent is loaded on many of the Big-12 Teams, and the Big-12 Conference does not do as well in the NFL Draft and that dates back to 2000. Which is another negative factor.
Big-12 have struggled the past years since the CFB Playoffs invites have come online. again, that is an additional factor as well.
When playing other conferences, evaluating Conferences is always part of the CFB Pre-During-Post Season and part of the evaluations as another factors as well.
The Three Bowls are now part of CFB Playoffs Invites as well, so they are factors as well.
I can see not one factor or Bowl Games being that big a factor but they are still factors to added as part of an entire evaluation with other factors.
After just 4 Posts your comments make no sense when it is common to weigh Conferences based on Games, Wins, Losses, NFL Draft and Playoff Invite Factors! Every year it is use by Sports Media and discussed anyhow no matter how any of us think on the issues.
Conferences themselves brag and advertise it too.
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The SEC was looking to have a down year early in the season. The media looked at the Big 10 and said, "Meyer, Harbaugh, D'Antonio....it should be a great year in the Big 10. It will be the best conference in the country."
That's why PSU went from unranked to 12 after beating OSU, despite OSU being young and struggling to be able to complete a forward pass this year.
Wisky lost to every good team it played this year in conference.
Okay, well after 20,000 posts, I would think you would be intelligent enough (although my expectations are low for a guy who types in oversized bold and blue italics in an attempt to be noticed) to realize how silly it is that everyone is in a rush to rank everything based on extremely limited facts. When everybody plays everybody - which will never happen - is when I'll start paying attention to these rankings. The majority media consensus was that the Big 10 was the best conference coming into the bowl season. I never really thought that (I've argued all season that teams such as Nebraska and Wisconsin have been riding the coattails of early-season wins against teams - Oregon and LSU - that didn't end up being as good as we thought they were at the time). Regardless, assuming someone though the Big 10 was the best conference coming into the bowl season, why should seven games (the losses) change that? Every team has a clunker here and there; Ohio State's just so happened to be on a big stage against a team who is not in their conference. And Michigan (sans their best player) and Penn State could have easily both won, so I'm not about to rush to judgement based on games against teams in their home states that were within a field goal. I simply don't think that we can rank conferences based on the fact that each team in it plays 1-3 OOC games against other P5 opponents... random opponents who may or may nor be a good matchup for that individual team.
"Panthers1983, post: 1747846, member: 49079"]Okay, well after 20,000 posts, I would think you would be intelligent enough (although my expectations are low for a guy who types in oversized bold and blue italics in an attempt to be noticed) to realize how silly it is that everyone is in a rush to rank everything based on extremely limited facts.
Naw, I am not worried about a Lightweight Poster like you that said nothing and made stupid comments like the games don't matter but the Player Match Ups do....LOL!
You were stupid at your first posts and are more stupid now talking about what you don't know in your 4th to 9th Posts!
Intelligence is seen in the contents in any form, not by you crying about it! You can't respond with substance so you argue form of nothingness reflected in your own windmills of confusion in your own mind.
When everybody plays everybody - which will never happen - is when I'll start paying attention to these rankings.
This is the Lair, we share to learn here, and the Best Posters can see what you don't know because you can't show it. Nobody cares what you think you are more important to decide to pay attention to or when, so cry somewhere else now that you admitted you don't pay attention and thus, you can't respond with any kind of intelligence and now pout.
The majority media consensus was that the Big 10 was the best conference coming into the bowl season.
Yeah, we know but that was them and so again, you undercut yourself since you said only Individual Match-Ups matter?
I never really thought that (I've argued all season that teams such as Nebraska and Wisconsin have been riding the coattails of early-season wins against teams - Oregon and LSU - that didn't end up being as good as we thought they were at the time).
Really.......you did that with just 4-9 Posts and argued all season long on that subject??? You just betray yourself and don't even know it. A quick look at your Archives and you did not argue anything all year long, are you a Nittany Liar upset that Big Ten, PSU were overrated all year?
Hmmmnnnn....maybe you have more than one Handle and are now so stupid you are caught another name you made up all of sudden or are lying, and still lack the Intelligence to back up what you say.
Can you show all of us all your Posts you argued all year long in your archives of 5 Posts?
Regardless, assuming someone though the Big 10 was the best conference coming into the bowl season, why should seven games (the losses) change that?
Well.....Mr. Brilliant Undercover Poster....Because they are games, they count in the record books, and played by the Players as Coached by Teams. But you only have 9 Posts so now you know it since the Lair just educated you.
Every team has a clunker here and there; Ohio State's just so happened to be on a big stage against a team who is not in their conference.
More like one Conference had a number of clunkers they played and beat and then bragged they had 4 Top Ten Teams but could not show it when playing Tougher Competition and now crying they can't show it....like your posts here all year long not seen in 4 to 9 Postings? LOLL!
Please tell me you are just a BWI PSU Cult Dolt Fan not a True Blue PSU Graduate, because you just showed all Posters what you don't know.....Think A Dink? Here let me help in the color Purple.....and Priest wear it to care for the unfortunate thinker unlike you because you may need an Lair's Exorcism!
Well, One Team Won and OSU Lost, called Zero-Sum Game and the Individual Match-Ups you said are more important happen, OSU Players did not perform and lost, so gain what are saying is more important after 5 Posts that are clunkers yourself? Just because PSU beat MAC, AAU, and Big Ten Weaklings it does not mean it did not happen for your psyche? Now get some help!
And Michigan (sans their best player) and Penn State could have easily both won, so I'm not about to rush to judgement based on games against teams in their home states that were within a field goal.
Yeah.....why worry about a 49-10 Michigan win that was over by Half-Time and Michigan ran 8 straight same plays? It is not important according you it was about Individual Match-Ups? Why watch them at all? My goodness you are as lame as your postings using words that betray yourself?
I simply don't think that we can rank conferences based on the fact that each team in it plays 1-3 OOC games against other P5 opponents...
Yeah, especially when Penn State beating Ohio State by a Blocked Kick Win looks Lame Today compared to Clemson mopping up Ohio State 31-0? The Lair Posters understand your pain since Pitt Beat Penn state and Clemson with Individual Match-Ups too! Clemson Fans came on the Lair and like Strong Educated Men & Women congratulated Pitt unlike you saying games don't matter since clunkers played in the Big Ten?
random opponents who may or may nor be a good matchup for that individual team.
Well, Thank you for that Final Admission and accept I educated you and that took just 9 Posts to do it, but that is me, i like helping the ignorant and exposing the arrogant in many colors and forms but usually with wiser words than you posted all year long?
Well, everybody else does that talks CFB unlike you hiding in the shadows of your own created self-stupidity as seen in 9 Posts? Go back to whomever you are are and accept your Team and Conference were not important because you contributed nothing of insight here on the Lair.
After all, your own claims you were here arguing all year long and those were your errors in your own words and all the Lair can see them. Gotcha!
You caught yourself this time and accept it!
Naw, I am not worried about a Lightweight Poster like you that said nothing and made stupid comments like the games don't matter but the Player Match Ups do....LOL!
You were stupid at your first posts and are more stupid now talking about what you don't know in your 4th to 9th Posts!
Intelligence is seen in the contents in any form, not by you crying about it! You can't respond with substance so you argue form of nothingness reflected in your own windmills of confusion in your own mind.
When everybody plays everybody - which will never happen - is when I'll start paying attention to these rankings.
This is the Lair, we share to learn here, and the Best Posters can see what you don't know because you can't show it. Nobody cares what you think you are more important to decide to pay attention to or when, so cry somewhere else now that you admitted you don't pay attention and thus, you can't respond with any kind of intelligence and now pout.
The majority media consensus was that the Big 10 was the best conference coming into the bowl season.
Yeah, we know but that was them and so again, you undercut yourself since you said only Individual Match-Ups matter?
I never really thought that (I've argued all season that teams such as Nebraska and Wisconsin have been riding the coattails of early-season wins against teams - Oregon and LSU - that didn't end up being as good as we thought they were at the time).
Really.......you did that with just 4-9 Posts and argued all season long on that subject???
You just betray yourself and don't even know it. A quick look at your Archives and you did not argue anything all year long, are you a Nittany Liar upset that Big Ten, PSU were overrated all year?Hmmmnnnn....maybe you have more than one Handle and are now so stupid you are caught another name you made up all of sudden or are lying, and still lack the Intelligence to back up what you say.
Can you show all of us all your Posts you argued all year long in your archives of 5 Posts?
Regardless, assuming someone though the Big 10 was the best conference coming into the bowl season, why should seven games (the losses) change that?
Well.....Mr. Brilliant Undercover Poster....Because they are games, they count in the record books, and played by the Players as Coached by Teams. But you only have 9 Posts so now you know it since the Lair just educated you.
Every team has a clunker here and there; Ohio State's just so happened to be on a big stage against a team who is not in their conference.
More like one Conference had a number of clunkers they played and beat and then bragged they had 4 Top Ten Teams but could not show it when playing Tougher Competition and now crying they can't show it....like your posts here all year long not seen in 4 to 9 Postings? LOLL!
Please tell me you are just a BWI PSU Cult Dolt Fan not a True Blue PSU Graduate, because you just showed all Posters what you don't know.....Think A Dink?
Here let me help in the color Purple.....and Priest wear it to care for the unfortunate thinker unlike you because you may need an Lair's Exorcism!Well, One Team Won and OSU Lost, called Zero-Sum Game and the Individual Match-Ups you said are more important happen, OSU Players did not perform and lost, so gain what are saying is more important after 5 Posts that are clunkers yourself? Just because PSU beat MAC, AAU, and Big Ten Weaklings it does not mean it did not happen for your psyche? Now get some help!
And Michigan (sans their best player) and Penn State could have easily both won, so I'm not about to rush to judgement based on games against teams in their home states that were within a field goal.
Yeah.....why worry about a 49-10 Michigan win that was over by Half-Time and Michigan ran 8 straight same plays? It is not important according you it was about Individual Match-Ups? Why watch them at all? My goodness you are as lame as your postings using words that betray yourself?
I simply don't think that we can rank conferences based on the fact that each team in it plays 1-3 OOC games against other P5 opponents...
Yeah, especially when Penn State beating Ohio State by a Blocked Kick Win looks Lame Today compared to Clemson mopping up Ohio State 31-0? The Lair Posters understand your pain since Pitt Beat Penn state and Clemson with Individual Match-Ups too! Clemson Fans came on the Lair and like Strong Educated Men & Women congratulated Pitt unlike you saying games don't matter since clunkers played in the Big Ten?
random opponents who may or may nor be a good matchup for that individual team.
Well, Thank you for that Final Admission and accept I educated you and that took just 9 Posts to do it, but that is me, i like helping the ignorant and exposing the arrogant in many colors and forms but usually with wiser words than you posted all year long?
Well, everybody else does that talks CFB unlike you hiding in the shadows of your own created self-stupidity as seen in 9 Posts? Go back to whomever you are are and accept your Team and Conference were not important because you contributed nothing of insight here on the Lair.
After all, your own claims you were here arguing all year long and those were your errors in your own words and all the Lair can see them. Gotcha!
You caught yourself this time and accept it!
