ADVERTISEMENT

Maybe we are over doing the getting the ball to Hugley

gary2

Athletic Director
Jul 21, 2001
18,976
7,789
113
Yeah, he needs to get the ball and when we are struggling to score we should go there, but…

getting a little too dependent.

Hugley is certainly nice to have and all that, but you know what I mean?
 
Last edited:
Yeah, he needs to get the ball and when we are struggling to score we should go there, but…

getting a little too dependent.
Pitt would be deadly with the inside-out/kick-out to an open 3 point shooter. IF they had one. Hugley is strong and a good passer out of the double team.

1 made 3 pt FG for Pitt tonight. Hard to win in today’s basketball that way.
 
Pitt would be deadly with the inside-out/kick-out to an open 3 point shooter. IF they had one. Hugley is strong and a good passer out of the double team.

1 made 3 pt FG for Pitt tonight. Hard to win in today’s basketball that way.
He had 7 TO’s tonight and at least 3 travels that weren’t called. His ability to play out of the post besides putting the ball in the hoop is overrated.
 
He had 7 TO’s tonight and at least 3 travels that weren’t called. His ability to play out of the post besides putting the ball in the hoop is overrated.
Because there are NO options. He gets little help.

UVA had 12 more FG attempts. Because Pitt gave up 11 OR’s in addition to being -6 in turnovers and -10 in points off turnovers. That was the ball game.

Pitt needs some outside shooting desperately. But without Horton and Nike, they are dead in the water.
 
Burton and Gueye deserve a ton of credit . They have ability and brought a real "team basketball" mentality to this squad. But Burton should have also been hogging the ball in the final 4 minutes, he needs to feel more like the man in those situations, I don't think UVA could have stopped Pitt if only Hugley and Burton had been the only ones to shoot the initial shot in each possession down the stretch.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MarshallGoldberg
Because there are NO options. He gets little help.

UVA had 12 more FG attempts. Because Pitt gave up 11 OR’s in addition to being -6 in turnovers and -10 in points off turnovers. That was the ball game.

Pitt needs some outside shooting desperately. But without Horton and Nike, they are dead in the water.
He forced way too much early in the game. Most of his TO’s were unforced. John is a stud and playing well, but he still has some things he needs to learn and work on.
 
Yeah, he needs to get the ball and when we are struggling to score we should go there, but…

getting a little too dependent.

Hugley is certainly nice to have and all that, but you know what I mean?
How did Oladapo look tonight? He looked pretty awful?
 
Yeah, he needs to get the ball and when we are struggling to score we should go there, but…

getting a little too dependent.

Hugley is certainly nice to have and all that, but you know what I mean?
Part of the problem is where they get him the ball. UVA did a good job forcing him down to the baseline a good bit away from the basket. Whenever we fed it to him there, that’s when John forced things too much resulting in a bad shot or turnover. When we got it to him closer in the key, much better results with a made bucket and/or foul.
 
Yeah, he needs to get the ball and when we are struggling to score we should go there, but…

getting a little too dependent.

Hugley is certainly nice to have and all that, but you know what I mean?

Pitt has 3 ACC-level players. Hugley is elite and Femi/Burton would be role players for a good team. They need to force it to Hugley as much as possible. He should get a touch almost every possession

If this team can land a shooter in the off-season, that can change everything. Teams don't have to worry about defending the perimeter against us.

It is somewhat amazing we have been in 1 possession games at the end in all but 1 ACC games with 3 ACC level players.
 
I’d throw Mo in there as well.

But the funny thing with your post is that the results don’t match your assertion, which you point out with your last sentence. Yeah close losses don’t cut it but like you say, it’s amazing this team with only 3 ACC-level players has been right there in all their ACC games but 1. And none of them appeared to be luck, watching all those close losses, it sure looked like we belonged on the court with the opposing team….up until the end when we know who ended up making the key plays.
 
We have to get it to Hugley
because we have NO, and
I mean NO outside shooters.
Hugley, Femi, and Burton
are the only players who
can create, and Femi and
Burton are only so-so at
doing that. We made ONE
three pointer last night.,
1-6. You can't win in
today's game with no 3 pt.
threat. We were in the game
because of our FT's, 18-22.
 
Last edited:
He had 7 TO’s tonight and at least 3 travels that weren’t called. His ability to play out of the post besides putting the ball in the hoop is overrated.
Of course you’d find fault . Does he stink too !

The problem is that he , his teammates, his coaches, the opposing players and their coaches plus everyone watching all know Pitt needs his production because without him they don’t have enough offense to win . Pitts forcing him the ball and when he gets the ball he’s constantly trying to make something happen . There’s no offensive balance they need Horton back .
 
Our "guards" attempted and made ZERO three pointers last night. ZERO.ZERO.

Not one. Not one attempted. Not one made.

I mean, in this day and age, and with college BB being mostly a guard driven sport, you can't win. Unless you have a couple of pure "wings" knocking down 3's, when the only guy who makes a 3 point jumper is your Five? You are handicapped.
 
Our "guards" attempted and made ZERO three pointers last night. ZERO.ZERO.

Not one. Not one attempted. Not one made.

I mean, in this day and age, and with college BB being mostly a guard driven sport, you can't win. Unless you have a couple of pure "wings" knocking down 3's, when the only guy who makes a 3 point jumper is your Five? You are handicapped.
Are you going to post this in every thread on both basketball boards?
 
  • Love
Reactions: FireballZ
Of course you’d find fault . Does he stink too !

The problem is that he , his teammates, his coaches, the opposing players and their coaches plus everyone watching all know Pitt needs his production because without him they don’t have enough offense to win . Pitts forcing him the ball and when he gets the ball he’s constantly trying to make something happen . There’s no offensive balance they need Horton back .
You’re right, my fault. I shouldn’t have blamed him for the almost and should’ve been 10 turnovers. It was Dixon’s fault! Or Stallings! Anyone’s but anyone currently representing Pitt! All I said is his playmaking out of the post ,
OUTSIDE OF PUTTING THE BALL IN THE HOOP, is overrated. How could ANYONE disagree with that statement?

I said it wasn’t his fault, it was the game plans in another thread. You can’t ask a 250 lb dude to play 30 plus mins every night, get the ball every time and play defense. And he’s simply stopped trying to even play defense.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gary2
You’re right, my fault. I shouldn’t have blamed him for the almost and should’ve been 10 turnovers. It was Dixon’s fault! Or Stallings! Anyone’s but anyone currently representing Pitt! All I said is his playmaking out of the post ,
OUTSIDE OF PUTTING THE BALL IN THE HOOP, is overrated. How could ANYONE disagree with that statement?

I said it wasn’t his fault, it was the game plans in another thread. You can’t ask a 250 lb dude to play 30 plus mins every night, get the ball every time and play defense. And he’s simply stopped trying to even play defense.
Pitt is using him in the only way it can with its current personal . Play him less they lose , are they asking too much from him , absolutely, but what other choice is there ?
 
Pitt is using him in the only way it can with its current personal . Play him less they lose , are they asking too much from him , absolutely, but what other choice is there ?
Ah, so if they play him less they’ll lose. What was the score last night?

The dude is gonna be dead by February and not wanna play at Pitt anymore. Playing him 5 mins less per night you’ll get the exact same out of him. He couldn’t move the last 7 mins

also, maybe if some other guys entire game plan wasnt we have to give jon the ball every single time they’d develop some sort of game of their own and help the team
 
Ah, so if they play him less they’ll lose. What was the score last night?

The dude is gonna be dead by February and not wanna play at Pitt anymore. Playing him 5 mins less per night you’ll get the exact same out of him. He couldn’t move the last 7 mins

also, maybe if some other guys entire game plan wasnt we have to give jon the ball every single time they’d develop some sort of game of their own and help the team
Yeah. Running the full 94 feet every possession is rough on bigs. Guards don't have to run nearly that far. I like your thoughts on getting John more rest. Collier is bad, but he sets good screens and can finish with dunks.
 
Ah, so if they play him less they’ll lose. What was the score last night?

The dude is gonna be dead by February and not wanna play at Pitt anymore. Playing him 5 mins less per night you’ll get the exact same out of him. He couldn’t move the last 7 mins

also, maybe if some other guys entire game plan wasnt we have to give jon the ball every single time they’d develop some sort of game of their own and help the team
I’m sure if you asked him he doesn’t want to sit a minute .

They trying to get him a break around the Tv time outs and you have to ride your horses and he’s it .

He’d maybe make some A10 team a good center !

Maybe Pitt can get the shot clock rule eliminated and they could run the four corner offense .

These kids are trying everything they can to develop their games .
 
Hugley has no option even kicking it out to the perimeter. That also is hurting him and allowing the defense to collapse and be more aggressive.
 
I’m sure if you asked him he doesn’t want to sit a minute .

They trying to get him a break around the Tv time outs and you have to ride your horses and he’s it .

He’d maybe make some A10 team a good center !

Maybe Pitt can get the shot clock rule eliminated and they could run the four corner offense .

These kids are trying everything they can to develop their games .
Correct. He’d be all league in the A10 at like Dayton. Unfortunately for him, he’s stuck being overused and abused at Pitt and it’s ruining his efficiency.
 
Correct. He’d be all league in the A10 at like Dayton. Unfortunately for him, he’s stuck being overused and abused at Pitt and it’s ruining his efficiency.
Would it be possible for a good coach to use teams emphasis on Hugley against then?

Could we get some seal off layups ourselves?

Maybe some quick ball reversal numbers advantage on the opposite side?

Other side of the rim put backs?

Do we do enough to make them pay?
 
Last edited:
Pitt’s best performance this year was the win over Louisville, and he played 26 minutes.
You think you can rely on the other players to score on a consistent basis , I don’t nor do I think the coaches do .
 
Would it be possible for a good coach to use teams emphasis on Hugley against then?

Could we get some seal off layups ourselves?

Maybe some quick ball reversal numbers advantage on the opposite side?

Do we do enough to make them pay?
Pitt should have had a significant mismatch on Clark guarding anyone other than Eze.

It didn’t seem we took much advantage of that. I remember one play by Burton.
 
You think you can rely on the other players to score on a consistent basis , I don’t nor do I think the coaches do .
I think our stats say yeah you can rely on other players to score on a consistent basis, at least somewhat consistent. Scoring averages of our top 4 aren’t that much off of other teams in the ACC. We have 3 guys with double-digit averages and Mo just outside double-digit.

Our problem of course is the drop off after that. We can pretty much count on zero scoring from anyone after the top 4.

So, while our top four are somewhat consistent, they don’t score enough to make up for the zero contribution from everyone else.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gary2
Correct. He’d be all league in the A10 at like Dayton. Unfortunately for him, he’s stuck being overused and abused at Pitt and it’s ruining his efficiency.

All-league in the A10 is cute. He's going to be 2nd or 3rd Team All-ACC.....as a Redshirt Freshman. Your take on Hugley is one of the all-time worst on this board. I am getting nervous he's going to declare for the draft.
 
Our "guards" attempted and made ZERO three pointers last night. ZERO.ZERO.

Not one. Not one attempted. Not one made.

I mean, in this day and age, and with college BB being mostly a guard driven sport, you can't win. Unless you have a couple of pure "wings" knocking down 3's, when the only guy who makes a 3 point jumper is your Five? You are handicapped.

Its amazing we are competitive. Capel deserves blame for not having enough ACC talent but also a lot of praise that this team is maximizing its ability.
 
Our "guards" attempted and made ZERO three pointers last night. ZERO.ZERO.

Not one. Not one attempted. Not one made.

I mean, in this day and age, and with college BB being mostly a guard driven sport, you can't win. Unless you have a couple of pure "wings" knocking down 3's, when the only guy who makes a 3 point jumper is your Five? You are handicapped.
You're right, but last night
we couldn't even get an open
look for a three. We couldn't
because their D was tough
enough to limit us outside.
They were able to overplay
Hugley and make him work
for his pts., while at the same
time limiting us on the outside.
Pretty simple to me, their D was
better than our O. That speaks
to overall talent difference.
 
You think you can rely on the other players to score on a consistent basis , I don’t nor do I think the coaches do .
No, but you also can’t rely on John to play almost the entire game and still be effective in the last few minutes, which is when every ACC game except Syracuse was decided.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gary2
I think our stats say yeah you can rely on other players to score on a consistent basis, at least somewhat consistent. Scoring averages of our top 4 aren’t that much off of other teams in the ACC. We have 3 guys with double-digit averages and Mo just outside double-digit.

Our problem of course is the drop off after that. We can pretty much count on zero scoring from anyone after the top 4.

So, while our top four are somewhat consistent, they don’t score enough to make up for the zero contribution from everyone else.
That’s with them double and tripling Hugley .

The loss of Nike and Horton really crippled the offense , it might have actually been a pretty successful season with those two .
 
All-league in the A10 is cute. He's going to be 2nd or 3rd Team All-ACC.....as a Redshirt Freshman. Your take on Hugley is one of the all-time worst on this board. I am getting nervous he's going to declare for the draft.
He has an OUTSIDE shot at 3rd team, strictly from pure volume and no one else on the squad being deserving. VERY outside shot. Hes one of the least efficient offensive players in the league. He’s also probably the worst defensive center in the league. Alume and Bacot have locked in the first 2 teams already.

If he declares for the association, he should be checked into a mental facility
 
I’d throw Mo in there as well.

But the funny thing with your post is that the results don’t match your assertion, which you point out with your last sentence. Yeah close losses don’t cut it but like you say, it’s amazing this team with only 3 ACC-level players has been right there in all their ACC games but 1. And none of them appeared to be luck, watching all those close losses, it sure looked like we belonged on the court with the opposing team….up until the end when we know who ended up making the key plays.

And they were up 7 on Syracuse with 3 minutes left in the 1st Half and 1 at halftime. In fact, end of 1st Half runs vs Syracuse and UVa really cost them.

I always forget about Gueye because my mind is on next year when he wont be here. He is definitely an ACC level player but we only have 4 and in reality 3 of them are average ACC players. To win in the ACC, we need Hugley + at least 1 "plus-level" player and another 6-7 ACC-level players.

This team is fatally flawed as we know. No PG, no wing shooter, only 4 ACC level players. Despite that, its encouraging to see them in all these close games. If they can add some transfers, they can be good
 
No, but you also can’t rely on John to play almost the entire game and still be effective in the last few minutes, which is when every ACC game except Syracuse was decided.
They rest him around timeouts and he gets himself in foul trouble enough to get a seat on the bench too often . I think the coaches are well aware of his usage .

Unfortunately they just don’t have many viable options .
 
He has an OUTSIDE shot at 3rd team, strictly from pure volume and no one else on the squad being deserving. VERY outside shot. Hes one of the least efficient offensive players in the league. He’s also probably the worst defensive center in the league. Alume and Bacot have locked in the first 2 teams already.

If he declares for the association, he should be checked into a mental facility

This is an example of how I say you know basketball but cannot apply it. You are harping on the "efficiency" of a Freshman Center playing on a team with very few options where he is being double teamed often and is the central focus of defenses. If you compare him to Keve Aluma, he is only shooting 46% to his 51% but you have to keep in mind that Hugley is probably shooting 20% on jump shots that he really shouldn't be shooting that brings down his average. Capel allows him to take those because we dont have much else. Also, he has one of the top FT rates in the country, which by some metrics make him one of the MOST efficient big men in the league. You cant just look at FG% with him.
 
That’s with them double and tripling Hugley .

The loss of Nike and Horton really crippled the offense , it might have actually been a pretty successful season with those two .
“You are what your record says you are”
 
This is an example of how I say you know basketball but cannot apply it. You are harping on the "efficiency" of a Freshman Center playing on a team with very few options where he is being double teamed often and is the central focus of defenses. If you compare him to Keve Aluma, he is only shooting 46% to his 51% but you have to keep in mind that Hugley is probably shooting 20% on jump shots that he really shouldn't be shooting that brings down his average. Capel allows him to take those because we dont have much else. Also, he has one of the top FT rates in the country, which by some metrics make him one of the MOST efficient big men in the league. You cant just look at FG% with him.
Correct, you have to look at how many shots he’s taking, how many turnovers he’s creating, if he’s creating for any teammates, and what he’s giving up on the other end.

UVA scored a ton of points in the paint, a guy who sucks scored 12 from the backup center position. Another big had 14. How many layups did we give up? And not contested layups. Like you or I could’ve made them layups. He’s a good player. Really good maybe. Not near the level you think he is. Everyone on the board thinks he’s really good, except you who thinks he’s elite.
 
  • Like
Reactions: pittjas and gary2
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT