McMillon, PItt not in top 10

[Sean Miller Fan]

The only one who didn't have other D1 offers was probably DiNucci. And I didn't even list guys from those places who would have came to Pitt if we offered but still ended up at other P5 schools. Thrift from Norwin, Gmiter from Bethel, etc. Again, your theory is complete hogwash.

Do you honestly not understand what am I saying? I am going to have to say this for the 3rd time.

If a recruit from a rich Pgh suburb has offers from programs EQUAL to Pitt or BETTER than Pitt, we get 5% of those players.

If Pitt is the best offer (Dinucci, Wirginis, Briggs, Huoy, Carrigan, etc), we have a great chance to get them but that's not what I am talking about.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

I think the stigma is why can't Pitt get the Good white guy from the suburbs of its own city ?

Danielson, Holtz, Bookser, Nix, Malecki, Palko, Houy, Orndoff, Shanahan, Bisnowaty, Kradel, Zubovic, etc. This is a complete non-story. And especially ironic when this safety isn't even white.

 

[Las Panteras]

The hit rate would be significantly higher if we are perceived as a big time program.

It has little to do with rich and suburban as much as it does winning and rankings.

 

[daminals76]

Danielson, Holtz, Bookser, Nix, Malecki, Palko, Houy, Orndoff, Shanahan, Bisnowaty, Kradel, Zubovic, etc. This is a complete non-story. And especially ironic when this safety isn't even white.

You just want to argue to argue...
Biz and Bookser are the only 2 that meet the criteria listed above.
We arent talking about TJ, West A or the further out schools in Westmoreland, Butler Co .

Also take out the other 3 star kids you listed. You're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and change everything to fit your narrative. Give it a rest.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

Do you honestly not understand what am I saying? I am going to have to say this for the 3rd time.

If a recruit from a rich Pgh suburb has offers from programs EQUAL to Pitt or BETTER than Pitt, we get 5% of those players.

If Pitt is the best offer (Dinucci, Wirginis, Briggs, Huoy, Carrigan, etc), we have a great chance to get them but that's not what I am talking about.

Houy... Louisville? You think Pitt is better than Louisville?

Pilato... Minnesota, Maryland, etc.

Grimm... Baylor, Arizona, WVU, Wisconsin, UVA, etc.

Bookser... Ohio State, Penn State, Tennessee, Alabama, and many others.

Bisnowaty... Florida, MIchigan, Michigan State, Penn State, many more.

Danielson... Louisville, Wisconsin, UCLA, WVU, UVA, etc.

Zubovic... MIchigan State, NC State, Penn State, Minnesota, etc.

Johnson... Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc.

Again, not sure if you'd count Belle Vernon.

Zeise... WVU.

Ford... Maryland (probably not quite Pitt's level, but they recruit better than us).

Carrigan... Wake Forest (not quite our level, but not that far off).

Mike Shanahan... WVU.

Decicco... Georgia Tech, Arizona State.

John Malecki... Penn State, UNC, WVU.

Lucas Nix... Michigan, Tennessee, Wisconsin.

Nate Nix... WVU, Iowa.

These are just the guys off the top off my head. I'm certainly missing quit a few. And there are also some other areas I could be more flexible with. The bottom line is not only are you wrong, but you're not even close to a point where it's more alarming than comical. Who are the recent rich kids who didn't choose Pitt? McMillon and then the Notre Dame group (Lugg brother, Kristofic, Jurkovec). Who else? Zandier wanted to come here, so I don't know if he should even count. Winovich, maybe. A few others, I'm sure, like Porter Jr. Maybe Tomlin will help your percentages, though I doubt we really even wanted him (and he's not suburbs anyway). But 5%? Get real. Looks like it might be over 50%.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

You just want to argue to argue...
Biz and Bookser are the only 2 that meet the criteria listed above.
We arent talking about TJ, West A or the further out schools in Westmoreland, Butler Co .

Also take out the other 3 star kids you listed. You're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and change everything to fit your narrative. Give it a rest.

Dude, NAME THESE PLAYERS! Name them. Be my guest. Kristofic, Jurkovec, and the Luggs. Who else fits your description (the one that keeps moving goal posts)? It's just stupid. Danielson, who had offers from WVU, Wisconsin, UCLA ,etc. and grew up in an affluent area doesn't count? That just tells me your argument is based on shit you're throwing at the wall and not facts.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

PITT got a 4 star safety from Florida last year. Some kids want to get away. It would be nice to have an all local roster but it’s just not going to happen. He’s a talented player and I hope he has a great career. PITT will recruit equal if not better talent this year. It’s really not a big deal

1) I hope he doesn't have a great career. Hope he picks LSU, gets splinters, looks to transfer like Raines or Jurkovec and ends up at Rutgers. Childish of me? Yeah, but so what.

2) Honestly of course I would like him here, but this one was just weird. We offer then suddenly a 3-star WPIAL kid blows up like this with SEC offers? I like his athleticism and the wrestling angle, but something didn't make sense. I watched Peters play this year and he was non-distinguishable. I've seen many of the "big-time" players in the WPIAL and you could tell by watching in high school they were difference makers (I remember seeing Montae Nicholson and thinking he had a nasty streak for defense and would be a good player and he turned out that way). I can't say I remember McMillon doing anything. Derrick Davis seems a lot more of an impact player.

 

[thebadby2]

It’s better than him dragging it out and making Pitt think they have a chance and spurning us at the end. He wants to leave home to go to school. That’s ok.

Someone tell me who the last white starting safety at LSU was.

Take your time. You’ll need it.

 

[Big Marty1]

Penn State gets the "poor kids". Pitt gets upper middle class.

 

[pittzap]

I'm not buying it.

If Pitt won more, sold more tickets and had more following he would committed weeks ago.

I know, I know....we need to take him at his word....he wants to get away.

I dont buy it. Not with this kid, not with so many WPIAL stars before him.

Theres no shame in admitting you done want to play in front of 40,000 yellow seats. In fact, I would respect the honesty.

Well, he didn’t want to go to Pitt. Whether it was to get away from home or he thinks Pitt is below him, he doesn’t want Pitt. Better to know now than waste all kinds of time recruiting him and him knowing there is a 0% chance he will go to Pitt.

Screw ‘em. Move on.

 

[daminals76]

Dude, NAME THESE PLAYERS! Name them. Be my guest. Kristofic, Jurkovec, and the Luggs. Who else fits your description (the one that keeps moving goal posts)? It's just stupid. Danielson, who had offers from WVU, Wisconsin, UCLA ,etc. and grew up in an affluent area doesn't count? That just tells me your argument is based on shit you're throwing at the wall and not facts.

Not gonna argue with you ad nauseam again but there's many more names go ahead and look them up. Peace.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Yeah, it was a travesty that we lost Ricketts and the Kugler brothers from NA, the Paskorz brothers from Hampton, and Troy Apke from Mt. Lebo. Help me remember the other big time white guys from rich districts that spurned Pitt that haven't been mentioned.

 

[Las Panteras]

I'm guessing several of the PCC kids are from wealthier areas

That should factor in to any arguments being made.

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Someone tell me who the last white starting safety at LSU was.

Take your time. You’ll need it.

I think his dad might take offence to this..

 

[Pizzaboy2]

Peters Township is notoriously weak @ being tough.

Did you see him wrestle?

 

[Pitt20-20]

Like I said before, any dude from Peter's has no balls.

 

[Pitt20-20]

Christ..... even Wexford and Cranberry have more cred than Peters ....
Everyone remember this , this cat from Peters will flake out.

 

[Mikefln]

I love Pitt. This thread right here is a prime example of why I hate Pitt fans.

On this board, most posters make fun of "not Penn St material". You jagoffs are basically doing that exact same thing right now.

Quit being hypocrites. The kid doesn't want to go to Pitt, it's his choice. Pitt (like every college) isn't for everyone for many reasons.

Not saying you need to wish the kid (or any kid) success/good luck (it is the classy thing to do so I doubt many of you are capable of it) but you do need to move along. Dwelling on this, is very Penn Statish.

One last thing. Any person and this includes Duzz calling a PIAA state wrestling runner up not tough is a complete and utter moron. A PIAA state placer is among the toughest people in the country, no matter what neighborhood they may be from.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

Let's be clear, it's one poster in the entire thread making the comments you reference and use to label "Pitt fans."

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Houy... Louisville? You think Pitt is better than Louisville?

Pilato... Minnesota, Maryland, etc.

Grimm... Baylor, Arizona, WVU, Wisconsin, UVA, etc.

Bookser... Ohio State, Penn State, Tennessee, Alabama, and many others.

Bisnowaty... Florida, MIchigan, Michigan State, Penn State, many more.

Danielson... Louisville, Wisconsin, UCLA, WVU, UVA, etc.

Zubovic... MIchigan State, NC State, Penn State, Minnesota, etc.

Johnson... Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc.

Again, not sure if you'd count Belle Vernon.

Zeise... WVU.

Ford... Maryland (probably not quite Pitt's level, but they recruit better than us).

Carrigan... Wake Forest (not quite our level, but not that far off).

Mike Shanahan... WVU.

Decicco... Georgia Tech, Arizona State.

John Malecki... Penn State, UNC, WVU.

Lucas Nix... Michigan, Tennessee, Wisconsin.

Nate Nix... WVU, Iowa.

These are just the guys off the top off my head. I'm certainly missing quit a few. And there are also some other areas I could be more flexible with. The bottom line is not only are you wrong, but you're not even close to a point where it's more alarming than comical. Who are the recent rich kids who didn't choose Pitt? McMillon and then the Notre Dame group (Lugg brother, Kristofic, Jurkovec). Who else? Zandier wanted to come here, so I don't know if he should even count. Winovich, maybe. A few others, I'm sure, like Porter Jr. Maybe Tomlin will help your percentages, though I doubt we really even wanted him (and he's not suburbs anyway). But 5%? Get real. Looks like it might be over 50%.

Why do you keep throwing in players from Hempfield, Belle Vernon, TJ. Why cant you comprehend what I am saying?

I am talking ONLY about players from the WEALTHIEST districts. Here are the wealthiest per Pittsburgh Business Times:

1. USC
2. Peters
3. PR
4. NA
5. Mars
6. Lebo

Probably a 5% hit-rate on highly recruited players from these places.

Basically, the wealthier the family/area, the more likley they think they are too good for Pitt. This is why Pitt recruits better from the middle class and poorer districts.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Not true across the board. Many kids ( smart kids) from wealthy schools like these and go to Pitt to become doctors and lawyers.

Why do you keep throwing in players from Hempfield, Belle Vernon, TJ. Why cant you comprehend what I am saying?

I am talking ONLY about players from the WEALTHIEST districts. Here are the wealthiest per Pittsburgh Business Times:

1. USC
2. Peters
3. PR
4. NA
5. Mars
6. Lebo

Probably a 5% hit-rate on highly recruited players from these places.

Basically, the wealthier the family/area, the more likley they think they are too good for Pitt. This is why Pitt recruits better from the middle class and poorer districts.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Not true across the board. Many kids ( smart kids) from wealthy schools like these and go to Pitt to become doctors and lawyers.

I am kinda talking about football players.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

Why do you keep throwing in players from Hempfield, Belle Vernon, TJ. Why cant you comprehend what I am saying?

I am talking ONLY about players from the WEALTHIEST districts. Here are the wealthiest per Pittsburgh Business Times:

1. USC
2. Peters
3. PR
4. NA
5. Mars
6. Lebo

Probably a 5% hit-rate on highly recruited players from these places.

Basically, the wealthier the family/area, the more likley they think they are too good for Pitt. This is why Pitt recruits better from the middle class and poorer districts.

Ok, let's simplify it and keep it in the last 10 years. We hit on Bookser. Hit on Houy. Hit on Zeise. Are we including Fox Chapel? I'd say so... and they hit on Bisnowaty. You don't wanna include Ford, Wirginis, Blair, Carrigan, and DiNucci... ok, fine. But I named four. So you have to name 76 guys we missed on those places to reach you're 5% theory. I'll wait.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Why do you keep throwing in players from Hempfield, Belle Vernon, TJ. Why cant you comprehend what I am saying?

I am talking ONLY about players from the WEALTHIEST districts. Here are the wealthiest per Pittsburgh Business Times:

1. USC
2. Peters
3. PR
4. NA
5. Mars
6. Lebo

Probably a 5% hit-rate on highly recruited players from these places.

Basically, the wealthier the family/area, the more likley they think they are too good for Pitt. This is why Pitt recruits better from the middle class and poorer districts.

How is Fox Chapel & Quaker Valley (Sewickly) not on that list? The schools you mention are all the big hat, no cattle types. Lots of nice houses & cars, but I bet they are sweating things out now with the covid meltdown if they miss a few paychecks and all probably have both parents working full time jobs to pay for the nice toys.

The real wealth in Pittsburgh is in the districts I mentioned, in addition to Squirrel Hill/Shadyside.

 

[thebadby2]

I think his dad might take offence to this..

Whoops-and he might himself
too. Didn’t realize he’s African American. Somehow didn’t pick up on that glancing at his photo. After taking a better look online, I’m Not even sure I was looking at the right kid.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

How is Fox Chapel & Quaker Valley (Sewickly) not on that list? The schools you mention are all the big hat, no cattle types. Lots of nice houses & cars, but I bet they are sweating things out now with the covid meltdown if they miss a few paychecks and all probably have both parents working full time jobs to pay for the nice toys.

The real wealth in Pittsburgh is in the districts I mentioned, in addition to Squirrel Hill/Shadyside.

I went based purely on household income. Fox Chapel is 11th and QV 12th. What hurts FC and QV is they have smaller concentrated areas of wealth and a good bit of middle class areas. I used to know a rich kid from Sewickley. He said he was from Sewickley Heights. I said what's that. Isnt that just Sewickley. He said something like they don't consider themselves part of Sewickley.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Ok, let's simplify it and keep it in the last 10 years. We hit on Bookser. Hit on Houy. Hit on Zeise. Are we including Fox Chapel? I'd say so... and they hit on Bisnowaty. You don't wanna include Ford, Wirginis, Blair, Carrigan, and DiNucci... ok, fine. But I named four. So you have to name 76 guys we missed on those places to reach you're 5% theory. I'll wait.

I count Bookser. Not Zeise (mostly MAC level + Pitt and WVU). Not Huoy either since Pitt was his best offer.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

I went based purely on household income. Fox Chapel is 11th and QV 12th.

interesting. I think those districts have pockets of not so wealthy along with the super wealthy to even out the curve.

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

I count Bookser. Not Zeise (mostly MAC level + Pitt and WVU). Not Huoy either since Pitt was his best offer.

So, to make your argument work, we are adding Fox Chapel to the non-wealthy list, and we are saying Pitt is a better football school than West Virginia and Louisville . Got it.

 

[Pizzaboy2]

I love Pitt. This thread right here is a prime example of why I hate Pitt fans.

On this board, most posters make fun of "not Penn St material". You jagoffs are basically doing that exact same thing right now.

Quit being hypocrites. The kid doesn't want to go to Pitt, it's his choice. Pitt (like every college) isn't for everyone for many reasons.

Not saying you need to wish the kid (or any kid) success/good luck (it is the classy thing to do so I doubt many of you are capable of it) but you do need to move along. Dwelling on this, is very Penn Statish.

One last thing. Any person and this includes Duzz calling a PIAA state wrestling runner up not tough is a complete and utter moron. A PIAA state placer is among the toughest people in the country, no matter what neighborhood they may be from.

Maybe 20-20 would like to put on a signlet and get on the mat with McMillon.Just to see how soft this P Twp kid is!

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

So, to make your argument work, we are adding Fox Chapel to the non-wealthy list, and we are saying Pitt is a better football school than West Virginia and Louisville . Got it.

I didn't realize FC was 11th.

I said I don't count Zeise because he was MAC with 2 local P5 offers.

And Huoy was MAC with Pitt, Lou, and Md. He doesn't count either. Sorry

 

[PharMorNightStocker]

I didn't realize FC was 11th.

I said I don't count Zeise because he was MAC with 2 local P5 offers.

And Huoy was MAC with Pitt, Lou, and Md. He doesn't count either. Sorry

Fox Chapel median home cost... 837k.

Mt. Lebanon median home cost... 317k.

So maybe one has more retirees or people who inherited wealth. Median income is not the sole indicator of wealth. Or maybe one has some poorer areas in the school district. Or maybe you just keep altering the parameters of this inane argument of yours.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Fox Chapel median home cost... 837k.

Mt. Lebanon median home cost... 317k.

So maybe one has more retirees or people who inherited wealth. Median income is not the sole indicator of wealth. Or maybe one has some poorer areas in the school district. Or maybe you just keep altering the parameters of this inane argument of yours.

exactly, not necessarily correlated. As I posted earlier, lots of big hats, no cattle in those districts. Much of that income goes into the $4k/month mortgage on the McMansions and not into building wealth.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Fox Chapel median home cost... 837k.

Mt. Lebanon median home cost... 317k.

So maybe one has more retirees or people who inherited wealth. Median income is not the sole indicator of wealth. Or maybe one has some poorer areas in the school district. Or maybe you just keep altering the parameters of this inane argument of yours.

How is average home value a better indicator of wealth than median household income?

I am also talking about school DISTRICTS not individual city or towns. Fox Chapel and Sewickley are small, wealthy towns but the surrounding towns (Aspineall, Harmarville) that are in their school district are middle class which brings down the average. If you want to make your own list to include FC, go ahead but based on median household income, they are 11th.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

exactly, not necessarily correlated. As I posted earlier, lots of big hats, no cattle in those districts. Much of that income goes into the $4k/month mortgage on the McMansions and not into building wealth.

There is some truth to that but if they live in a district where people make a lot of money and there are tons of McMansions, chances are that player is going to look down on Pitt

 

[Pizzaboy2]

Maybe 20-20 would like to put on a signlet and get on the mat with McMillon.Just to see how soft this P Twp kid is!

exactly, not necessarily correlated. As I posted earlier, lots of big hats, no cattle in those districts. Much of that income goes into the $4k/month mortgage on the McMansions and not into building wealth.

My trailer isn't worth $4k with my wife in it!

 

[TFBaum]

Yea. I said no chance here. A kid from Peters isnt going to Pitt. Our hit rate on kids offered by other major P5s from the following schools is like 5%-10%

USC
Lebo
Peters
NA
PR
FC (we got Biz but they suck at football anyway)

The richer the school district, the less likely they are to come to Pitt.

Need to concentrate on TJ, Clairton, WH, Baldwin, WA, schools like that.

Its a pretty huge slap in the face to not have a hometown ACC team in your Top 10. I mean if that was my kid, I'd make him list the hometown team at least for looks and to be respectful.

Why do you think that those suburbs shun Pitt. I can tell you kids from Northern VA think the world of Pitt. And the high schools I am talking about are the top five in the state.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Why do you think that those suburbs shun Pitt. I can tell you kids from Northern VA think the world of Pitt. And the high schools I am talking about are the top five in the state.

Just the groupthink in those parts. Too good for Pitt is what they think.

That's why I say Pitt would have a better hit rate in the wealthy suburbs of other nearby cities than their own.

 

[TFBaum]

Just the groupthink in those parts. Too good for Pitt is what they think.

That's why I say Pitt would have a better hit rate in the wealthy suburbs of other nearby cities than their own.

Okay. Thank you. What the folks don’t understand is what they have I guess familiarity is contempt.