Michigan State in Freefall
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You are a troll that isn't even a Pitt fan. You come here to start problems and twist people's words. Screw You
Michigan State is a "developmental program" along the lines of a Wisconsin or a TCU. They had two very bad recruiting years in a row (2012, 2013) in which they have gotten little if any production from the offensive or defensive line recruits. And for a program like MSU the results can be catastrophic. It's horrific line play on both sides of the ball that's the driving force behind this four game losing streak. Nothing you call is going to work if you have no pass rush, can't run block & can't pass block.
Nothing says it's almost November like the rampant speculation about Pitt's current HC.
If the program is so mediocre, I wonder why so many big football schools want mediocre coaches?
If the program is so mediocre, I wonder why so many big football schools want mediocre coaches?
Who, other than the folks on this board, thinks that any major power wants Narduzzi? He hasn't done nearly enough. Can you imagine the uproar if LSU hired Narduzzi? The schools who would hire Narduzzi at this point are schools that he wouldn't go to. Now, if he strings together a couple of Top 15 finishes, it will be time to worry, because he will then have the attention of schools that have the resources to possibly lure him away. He may be looking to move up the ladder, or, he may be a guy who would only leave here for a handful of jobs.
This jumps out at me, because I have argued that this is what led to the downfall of Jamie Dixon. Chasing, and taking any 5 star they can get, as opposed to taking lesser ranked players that fit exactly what they want to do.
Dantonio reminds me of Jamie Dixon. With all that he accomplished in recent years his recruiting didn't improve significantly. His QBs are always very average. In today's game you need a QB who's a playmaker. MSU's offenses are usually very conservative and quite frankly boring.
Huh? Conner Cook and Kirk Cousins were "very average" and not playmakers? They are universally considered two of the best college QBs of the past 7-8 years. They made play after play, especially Cook, to win games for their teams. Wanna know how good Cook was? Look at MSU last season, then this season. And he played half the year last year with an injured throwing shoulder.
That same "boring" multiple pro-style offense is exactly what we are trying to run here, just with far less emphasis on throwing the ball, because WE don't have a playmakers in the passing game.
As for your statement about Dantonio's recruiting:
Since 2011, Michigan State's average player recruiting ranking has been on the rise, peaking at 3.5 stars in 2016, according to 247 Sports. Overall, it's three consecutive top 25 classes for Dantonio after his first group in 2007 was ranked just 50th nationally.
In other words, there isn't anything right about your post.
Those QBs are old school duds.3.5 stars- J. Dixon caliber recruiting. You can have Dantonio.
Dantonio's downfall has been his recruiting. You can't keep signing classes ranked 15-25, or lower, and be an elite program. It's good enough to keep a job and should keep fans happy at MSU. I'd certainly take it here right now. However, its impossible to be an elite program with that kind of recruiting.
The situation just reminds me of Wisconsin and Chryst, of course there are differences but I do not want to see the MSU job open up for whatever reason. Because if for some reason it did open up I am sure MSU would come calling for Narduzzi.
I never said Pitt was mediocre the other poster did. But if Pitt is considered mediocre and Narduzzi is able to lead them to another 8 win or even 9 win season then he will get plenty of accolades nationally. Which in turn will lead to job offers from other schools.
Cook and Cousins were pretty stellar college QBs as upperclassmen. Not sure that's even disputable.
Otherwise, now that Harbaugh is entrenched at UM along Meyer killing it at tOSU, Sparty may be battling PSU for third in their side of the B1G for years to come.
Otherwise, now that Harbaugh is entrenched at UM along Meyer killing it at tOSU, Sparty may be battling PSU for third in their side of the B1G for years to come.
I have no idea what other schools think. For what it's worth, I never understand how AD's operate. All I know is that I'm tired of hearing about Pitt's coach and other opportunities. If Pitt is really serious now about athletics and Narduzzi continues to elevate the program, then our AD should be doing everything possible to keep him here.
Don't forget. Dantonio's first QB at MSU was Brian Hoyer. He's had a very good season in Chicago filling in for Cutler.
Dantonio is one of best coaches in Country. He will be at MSU for 10 more years, or as long as he wants. He is clearly better at MSU than Saban was (And is honest and respected, unlike Saban, who could only get Bobby Williams and I think 1 other asst to go with him to LSU).
MSU will be back next year. For a school with a rich history of NFL receivers, we signed our best set of receivers ever as this years Freshman, and have started well next year also, starting with Hunter Rison, Andre's son.
MSU and (I think Alabama) are only teams to finish in top 6 last 3 years. Awesome last 6 years. Combination of losing 3 OL to NFL, multiple addl players and QB to NFL-including top 2 receivers-Burbridge and Lippett, 5 and 4 star RS Freshmen and sophomore lineman leaving unexpectedly (1 was going to be suspended for drug test violation), and a ton of key injuries.
MD is awesome and safe!
But I always wish Nardog and Pitt well--although he could be an eventual replacement, I would guess MSU would go younger if MD stays another 10 years. Narduzzi has a special place in most Spartan's hearts. Pitt fits him well.
MSU will be back next year. For a school with a rich history of NFL receivers, we signed our best set of receivers ever as this years Freshman, and have started well next year also, starting with Hunter Rison, Andre's son.
MSU and (I think Alabama) are only teams to finish in top 6 last 3 years. Awesome last 6 years. Combination of losing 3 OL to NFL, multiple addl players and QB to NFL-including top 2 receivers-Burbridge and Lippett, 5 and 4 star RS Freshmen and sophomore lineman leaving unexpectedly (1 was going to be suspended for drug test violation), and a ton of key injuries.
MD is awesome and safe!
But I always wish Nardog and Pitt well--although he could be an eventual replacement, I would guess MSU would go younger if MD stays another 10 years. Narduzzi has a special place in most Spartan's hearts. Pitt fits him well.
^^^This.^^^. When UM fell on hard times, the the timing was perfect for MSU to fill the power vacuum that was created.
But now that Harbaugh has Michigan on the upswing, MSU is in danger of joining the Nits in Big Ten irrelevance.
MSU got crushed in the bowl game. The talent differential was really bigger than I expected. The facts are MD is a good head coach who outperforms expectations. But over time Michigan with a top coach or OSU are simply football factories that MSU just can't hang with going forward. Pitt is very much like that going forward, But the ACC doesn't have any team in the coastal that is a power program. Narduzzi took the Pitt job as he knew it was never going to be any better than last year. At Pitt he can build a winner and compete for a conference championship every couple of years.
Spot on.
The success MSU has had in this span is a direct result of their QB play.
In a very short period of time they've put Stanton, Cousins, and Cook in the NFL, how many other programs can say that? Their taking a step back this season is directly related to struggles at the QB position.
They aren't the type of program that's going to win big with average play at that position, lots of teams in,the same position. We are seeing exhibit A with Oregon this year.
Dear Spot On,
The lack of success that PITT has had in this span is a direct result of their QB play!
Wow we're just like MSU?
If Pitt had put 3 QB's in the NFL in the last decade I dare say we would've played in a couple major bowls.
Michigan State is very young, with huge NFL losses and probably the best Freshman recruiting class they have ever had. This year is a combination of factors as described above. In addition, although MD is a defensive guru, and was DC on an Ohio States national championship team, losing Narduzzi is showing more this year than last. Last year, the upperclassman were all taught by Narduzzi, his intensity and philosophy. MD has always preferred to promote from within-even at Cincinnati, and may be too loyal to his staff. He put DC spots into hands that likely weren't quite ready.
As an aside, I would expect Pitts defense to get MUCH better in the next couple years, as Narduzzi gets his guys in.
As an aside, I would expect Pitts defense to get MUCH better in the next couple years, as Narduzzi gets his guys in.
This is about right. That said I think MSU consistently stays in the top 3-4 in the B10 over time and occasionally gets into the champ picture, it's just going to be a lot harder for them now. Dantonio has beaten Urban twice and Harbaugh once already. This is a one off year, the worst of the Dantonio era following the best 6 year stretch in program history, and they have more young talent on paper than they've ever had. As long as Dantonio is there, MSU is not going away.
Narduzzi is NOT leaving Pitt for Michigan St. It is NOT a step up. He did NOT grow up there or graduate from there. Enough with the angst.
Not really correct BF. MSU had massive losses on the O line and D line, lost their best LBs, best receivers, etc.
Losing Cook was obviously huge but I think the O and D line losses were the biggest reason they went from the top to the bottom of the B10 in one short year.
Also I think you meant Hoyer, not Stanton. Stanton was back in the JL Smith era.
