MICHIGAN STATE-Penn State Game Day Predictions!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

MICHIGAN STATE-Penn State Game Day Predictions!
Well, Penn State Coach Franklin is way down right now while explaining his teams’ failures on a whole. MSU’s Coach Dantonio is flying high right now, one game from going 10-1 and 6-1 losing only to Nebraska by 1 point and badly wanting to be in the CFB Playoffs! This is always a dangerous situation to be in especially without MSU QB Cook playing at his best and Conner needing to run to win? Like most of Dantonio Wins, they are not blowouts, at least this year. Moreover, should have loss to Michigan but really did not play Purdue, Rutgers, and Oregon will any excitement but still won. Penn State is showing they cannot beat or play with winning teams but they have some weapons that wake up if they can execute their Game Plans? Penn State can stop the MSU’s passing game with a new QB as well as stop the run. This is the problem I see, Franklin’s Game Plans and Sideline Coaching. Penn State has the talent but will it come together this game? The fact is MSU Defense will win this game on its own by sacking the Hack Attack and bottling up Barkley. Everyone thinks that Franklin somehow will come up with great trick plays but I just don't see it. Penn State could make trouble with its defense but their Offense and Special Teams will be inconsistent as usual. Most experts think this will be a close game, but I am going against that kind of wind talk, Dantonio will blow away Franklin because he has to gain a CFB Playoff if he beats Iowa. MSU is not looking ahead they never do, they can be beat in a close game, but this will not be one. Dantonio had 4 De-Commits a few weeks ago, and Franklin called to poach them. I do not think Hackenberg finishes the game and his Penn State career may be finished too!
33 MICHIGAN STATE Penn State 17
GAME DAY RESULT:
Preseason Predictions august 2015
@Michigan State:
It is Coach DAntonio against Fast Frankie, Frankie will blink and pay for his easy scheduling in a big way and gets upset being beaten badly. Paterno Clan shouts bring back Jay!
Penn State 14 MICHIGAN STATE 34 (8-4)

Individual Game Results of Penn State (vs Michigan State), 2014
11/29/2014 vs. Michigan State (11-2) L 10 34
11/27/2010 vs. Michigan State (11-2) L 22 28

Recruiting Rankings Talent Last Five Years Pretty Even!
2011:
#31 MSU
#35 Psu

2012:
#41 MSU
#51 Psu

2013:
#40 MSU
#43 Psu

2014:
#22 MSU
#24 Psu

2015:
#22 Msu
#15 PSU

2016 CURRENT:
#14 Msu
#9 PSU

PENN STATE SCHEDULE 2015 7-4 (4-3)
Sept. 5, 2015 at Temple L 27-10 0-1
Sept. 12, 2015 Buffalo W 27-14 1-1
Sept. 19, 2015 RutgersW 28-3 2-1 (1-0)
Sept. 26, 2015 San Diego St. W 37-21 3-1
Oct. 3, 2015 Army W 20-14 4-1
Oct. 10, 2015 IndianaW 29-7 5-1 (2-0)
Oct. 17, 2015 at Ohio State L 38-10 5-2 (2-1)
Oct. 24, 2015 at Maryland W 31-30 6-2 (3-1)
Oct. 31, 2015 Illinois W 39-0 7-2 (4-1)
Nov. 7, 2015 at Northwestern L 23-21 7-3 (4-2)
Nov. 21, 2015 Michigan L 28-16 7-4 (4-3)
Nov. 28, 2015 at Michigan State 3:30 pm

PENN STATE 42ND < 36TH > 37TH < 35TH > 39TH 7-4 (4-3):
6 MSU 10-1 ???
8 OSU 10-1 L
11 MICHIGAN 9-2 L
19 NW 9-2 L
23 TEMPLE 9-2 L
36TH SDSU 8-3 W
42ND PSU 7-5 Projected Ranking Record
67 INDIANA 5-6 W
72 ILLINOIS 5-6 W
75 UMD 2-9 W
89 BUFFALO 5-6 W
95 RUTGERS 4-7 W
119 ARMY 2-9 W

MICHIGAN STATE SCHEDULE 2015 10-1 (6-1)
Sept. 4, 2015 @West. Mich W 37-24 1-0
Sept. 12, 2015 Oregon W 31-28 2-0
Sept. 19, 2015 Air Force W 35-21 3-0
Sept. 26, 2015 Central Mich W 30-10 4-0
Oct. 3, 2015 Purdue W 24-21 5-0 (1-0)
Oct. 10, 2015 at Rutgers W 31-24 6-0 (2-0)
Oct. 17, 2015 at Michigan W 27-23 7-0 (3-0)
Oct. 24, 2015 Indiana W 52-26 8-0 (4-0)
Nov. 7, 2015 at Nebraska L 39-38 8-1 (4-1)
Nov. 14, 2015 Maryland W 24-7 9-1 (5-1)
Nov. 21, 2015 at Ohio State W 17-14 10-1 (6-1)
Nov. 28, 2015 Penn State 3:30 pm

MICHIGAN STATE 6TH 10-1 (6-1)
6 MSU 11-1 10-2 Projected Ranking Record
8 OHIO STATE W
11 MICHIGAN W
20 OREGON W
42 PENN STATE ???
45 AIR FORCE W
59 CENTRAL MICHIGAN W
62 WESTERN MICHIGAN W
65 NEBRASKA L
70 MINNESOTA W
74 INDIANA W
88 UMD W
99 RU W

 

[runthewildcat]

Captain,
"Penn state has the talent" - not quite sure if you and I are watching the same penn state team.
Also, the nitters are atrocious on the road. It seems like they play 75% of their games at home.

 

[VAPITTALUM]

Captain,
"Penn state has the talent" - not quite sure if you and I are watching the same penn state team.
Also, the nitters are atrocious on the road. It seems like they play 75% of their games at home.

That's because they basically do. 8 home games + 1 in philly this year.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

I've gone with psu lately and they've laid eggs-
MSU 21
PSU 11

 

[Hero of the Oppressed]

Sparty 23...... Pedo 13

Franklin is in over his head.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"runthewildcat, post: 557462, member: 10728"]Captain,
"Penn state has the talent" - not quite sure if you and I are watching the same penn state team.
I agree, and I don't post to read what I think, I post to see what others have to say, and appreciate differe4nces, discussions, and learning foim others. So, I welcome you views I may be wrong and I don't hate Penn State, I predict to learn.

Also, the nitters are atrocious on the road. It seems like they play 75% of their games at home.
They put in a easy schedule years ago thinking this would be the 4th year of the sanctions to be fair to their planning. They even asked Bama to remove them from the schedule like they used to ask Pitt in the 1930s. It is not Franklin's fault and I understand what they were trying to do.

So, I am a tad confuse on one hand you agree with me PSU has talent, then say they are atrocious and we are not watching the same games? When I say they have Talent but Franklin's Coaching and his Staff has been lacking focus, discipline, and look confused on the field and sidelines?

Whether this changes this game will be seen, but i think their malaise and confusion keeps happening, until Franklin makes some changes!

So what is your score prediction?

 

[wbrpanther]

MICHIGAN STATE-Penn State Game Day Predictions!
Well, Penn State Coach Franklin is way down right now while explaining his teams’ failures on a whole. MSU’s Coach Dantonio is flying high right now, one game from going 10-1 and 6-1 losing only to Nebraska by 1 point and badly wanting to be in the CFB Playoffs! This is always a dangerous situation to be in especially without MSU QB Cook playing at his best and Conner needing to run to win? Like most of Dantonio Wins, they are not blowouts, at least this year. Moreover, should have loss to Michigan but really did not play Purdue, Rutgers, and Oregon will any excitement but still won. Penn State is showing they cannot beat or play with winning teams but they have some weapons that wake up if they can execute their Game Plans? Penn State can stop the MSU’s passing game with a new QB as well as stop the run. This is the problem I see, Franklin’s Game Plans and Sideline Coaching. Penn State has the talent but will it come together this game? The fact is MSU Defense will win this game on its own by sacking the Hack Attack and bottling up Barkley. Everyone thinks that Franklin somehow will come up with great trick plays but I just don't see it. Penn State could make trouble with its defense but their Offense and Special Teams will be inconsistent as usual. Most experts think this will be a close game, but I am going against that kind of wind talk, Dantonio will blow away Franklin because he has to gain a CFB Playoff if he beats Iowa. MSU is not looking ahead they never do, they can be beat in a close game, but this will not be one. Dantonio had 4 De-Commits a few weeks ago, and Franklin called to poach them. I do not think Hackenberg finishes the game and his Penn State career may be finished too!
33 MICHIGAN STATE Penn State 17
GAME DAY RESULT:
Preseason Predictions august 2015
@Michigan State:
It is Coach DAntonio against Fast Frankie, Frankie will blink and pay for his easy scheduling in a big way and gets upset being beaten badly. Paterno Clan shouts bring back Jay!
Penn State 14 MICHIGAN STATE 34 (8-4)

Individual Game Results of Penn State (vs Michigan State), 2014
11/29/2014 vs. Michigan State (11-2) L 10 34
11/27/2010 vs. Michigan State (11-2) L 22 28

Recruiting Rankings Talent Last Five Years Pretty Even!
2011:
#31 MSU
#35 Psu

2012:
#41 MSU
#51 Psu

2013:
#40 MSU
#43 Psu

2014:
#22 MSU
#24 Psu

2015:
#22 Msu
#15 PSU

2016 CURRENT:
#14 Msu
#8 PSU

PENN STATE SCHEDULE 2015 7-4 (4-3)
Sept. 5, 2015 at Temple L 27-10 0-1
Sept. 12, 2015 Buffalo W 27-14 1-1
Sept. 19, 2015 RutgersW 28-3 2-1 (1-0)
Sept. 26, 2015 San Diego St. W 37-21 3-1
Oct. 3, 2015 Army W 20-14 4-1
Oct. 10, 2015 IndianaW 29-7 5-1 (2-0)
Oct. 17, 2015 at Ohio State L 38-10 5-2 (2-1)
Oct. 24, 2015 at Maryland W 31-30 6-2 (3-1)
Oct. 31, 2015 Illinois W 39-0 7-2 (4-1)
Nov. 7, 2015 at Northwestern L 23-21 7-3 (4-2)
Nov. 21, 2015 Michigan L 28-16 7-4 (4-3)
Nov. 28, 2015 at Michigan State 3:30 pm

PENN STATE 42ND < 36TH > 37TH < 35TH > 39TH 7-4 (4-3):
6 MSU 10-1 ???
8 OSU 10-1 L
11 MICHIGAN 9-2 L
19 NW 9-2 L
23 TEMPLE 9-2 L
36TH SDSU 8-3 W
42ND PSU 7-5 Projected Ranking Record
67 INDIANA 5-6 W
72 ILLINOIS 5-6 W
75 UMD 2-9 W
89 BUFFALO 5-6 W
95 RUTGERS 4-7 W
119 ARMY 2-9 W

MICHIGAN STATE SCHEDULE 2015 10-1 (6-1)
Sept. 4, 2015 @West. Mich W 37-24 1-0
Sept. 12, 2015 Oregon W 31-28 2-0
Sept. 19, 2015 Air Force W 35-21 3-0
Sept. 26, 2015 Central Mich W 30-10 4-0
Oct. 3, 2015 Purdue W 24-21 5-0 (1-0)
Oct. 10, 2015 at Rutgers W 31-24 6-0 (2-0)
Oct. 17, 2015 at Michigan W 27-23 7-0 (3-0)
Oct. 24, 2015 Indiana W 52-26 8-0 (4-0)
Nov. 7, 2015 at Nebraska L 39-38 8-1 (4-1)
Nov. 14, 2015 Maryland W 24-7 9-1 (5-1)
Nov. 21, 2015 at Ohio State W 17-14 10-1 (6-1)
Nov. 28, 2015 Penn State 3:30 pm

MICHIGAN STATE 6TH 10-1 (6-1)
6 MSU 11-1 10-2 Projected Ranking Record
8 OHIO STATE W
11 MICHIGAN W
20 OREGON W
42 PENN STATE ???
45 AIR FORCE W
59 CENTRAL MICHIGAN W
62 WESTERN MICHIGAN W
65 NEBRASKA L
70 MINNESOTA W
74 INDIANA W
88 UMD W
99 RU W

Michigan State is doubly motivated. Not only are they at home they are playing for a shot at the BIG title which would put them in the playoffs with a shot at the NC.

Not much chance for a let down and not much chance for the Nits.

 

[runthewildcat]

"runthewildcat, post: 557462, member: 10728"]Captain,
"Penn state has the talent" - not quite sure if you and I are watching the same penn state team.
I agree, and I don't post to read what I think, I post to see what others have to say, and appreciate differe4nces, discussions, and learning foim others. So, I welcome you views I may be wrong and I don't hate Penn State, I predict to learn.

Also, the nitters are atrocious on the road. It seems like they play 75% of their games at home.
They put in a easy schedule years ago thinking this would be the 4th year of the sanctions to be fair to their planning. They even asked Bama to remove them from the schedule like they used to ask Pitt in the 1930s. It is not Franklin's fault and I understand what they were trying to do.

So, I am a tad confuse on one hand you agree with me PSU has talent, then say they are atrocious and we are not watching the same games? When I say they have Talent but Franklin's Coaching and his Staff has been lacking focus, discipline, and look confused on the field and sidelines?

Whether this changes this game will be seen, but i think their malaise and confusion keeps happening, until Franklin makes some changes!

So what is your score prediction?

I don't think penn state has talent like everyone thinks they do. Hack is a prime example. I guess you could blame a lot on coaching, but talent does emerge even w/ the lack a good coaching at times.
At home I think penn state could keep it close but since it's away I think they'll struggle.
27-10 MSU
PSU scores on a lucky Hail Mary throw that's under thrown from hack late in the game.

 

[ricflair4LIFE]

MSU 30
PSU 20

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I don't think penn state has talent like everyone thinks they do. Hack is a prime example. I guess you could blame a lot on coaching, but talent does emerge even w/ the lack a good coaching at times.
At home I think penn state could keep it close but since it's away I think they'll struggle.
27-10 MSU
PSU scores on a lucky Hail Mary throw that's under thrown from hack late in the game.

If Penn state had hire Ruhle, Munchak, Golden or another Penn State Alumnus, it would be interesting to see if they would better Coaching on the Sidelines than Franklin & Staff are providing right now and having to explain why they can't beat Winning Teams?

 

[VAPITTALUM]

I predict Hackenburg won't finish this game. Poor guy has been hammered this year, and MSU has the best DL PSU will face this year.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

It takes two for Michigan State at quarterback
East Lansing — Among surprises Michigan State dropped on Ohio State Saturday, beyond a 17-14 final score, was MSU’s quarterback shuttle of Tyler O’Connor and Damion Terry.
This wasn’t by design. The Spartans had to shelve their top gun, Connor Cook, because of a bad right shoulder. And what should have made a 14-point underdog even more stressed instead became part of Saturday’s drama at Ohio Stadium, which was good enough to have pulled the heaviest television audience for any college football game this season.

It was tough to measure precisely the effect O’Connor and Terry had on Ohio State. The safe conclusion is to say: precious little. At least compared with what MSU would have gotten from Cook, who probably is the best quarterback in terms of skill and performance in MSU history and who figures to be grabbed in the first round of next spring’s NFL draft.

But the other guys were solid. They gave the Buckeyes a different look. It wasn’t helpful when an OSU team already having its troubles at the line of scrimmage now had to deal with the added wrinkle two back-up QBs presented. They could bite off yardage with their feet, sometimes because OSU had to guard against that ever-bothersome offensive scheme, the option. Flipping a pitch to a running back was simply one more arrow in MSU’s quiver with O’Connor and Terry under center.

As far as straight statistics suggest, O’Connor and Terry were nothing special: 50 yards net rushing yardage, combined, on 16 carries. They were 8-for-16 passing for 91 yards.
But they kept drives going on a day when the Spartans killed OSU on the clock, 38 minutes to 21 minutes of possession.

They also delivered to coach Mark Dantonio’s team a subtle bonus. Beyond helping shove MSU into a possible Big Ten championship game and four-team national playoff, O’Connor and Terry might have made MSU’s 2016 quarterback transition less daunting. Cook will be gone in a few weeks. The Spartans will break in a new man, or men, next September. O’Connor and Terry should be part of a mix that could also involve redshirt freshman Brian Lewerke.

Dantonio acknowledged as much during Tuesday’s news conference at Spartan Stadium. He knew what he’d gotten Saturday: a magnificent victory, and also a testament to how MSU’s football model has been built.

“There is probably no place players grow more than at quarterback,” he said, adding that the “pressures” of playing the most complex position on the field, and on the road “in a game that had so much meaning behind it, makes our program stronger.”

One way in which Dantonio’s wizardry can be appreciated is that he has assembled team depth. Not only in quantity, but quality. One example, apart from quarterback, was on display Saturday. MSU used four running backs against the Buckeyes, none inferior.

Quarterback, though, can be unforgiving for any team that tries to win with one man. When Cook’s shoulder ached during pregame drills and he was yanked, Dantonio summoned O’Connor and Terry. The coach knew he was at least safe in fundamental ways. Neither would be overwhelmed by Ohio State’s defense or by its home field and withering crowd noise.

That the Spartans’ offensive line, finally healthy, bulldozed the Buckeyes for most of four quarters gave a pair of back-ups an incalculable lift. But they made plays, whether it was O’Connor tossing a completion (7 of 12 for 89 yards and a touchdown) or, as lethally, O’Connor or Terry prancing through the line to keep a drive kicking, sometimes with a running back sucking away a defender because of the capacity for a quarterback pitch.

“Yeah, Connor can run the option, too,” said Dave Warner, MSU’s co-offensive coordinator. “But these guys (O’Connor and Terry) have a little more dimension. They’re a bit niftier.”
Brad Salem, the Spartans’ quarterback coach, agreed with Dantonio that having two back-up quarterbacks play well “in a game of that magnitude” was one way to realize a future, if unintended, dividend from Saturday’s theatrics.

Of course, MSU’s followers also appreciate the occasional pass. It is why they and MSU’s coaches so love Cook. He throws a terrific ball. O’Connor and Terry aren’t matches there, although Salem says all you need to do is watch practices to more appreciate a pair of skill sets. “Both have strong arms,” Salem said. “The accuracy by Tyler is really impressive. And Damion — he has a big arm.” It’s unknown if Dantonio will need either or both Saturday against Penn State in what could, if MSU wins, send the Spartans into the Big Ten championship game.

What is known was evident Saturday at Ohio State. The Spartans can win without Cook. They can win with replacement parts at quarterback. They win because they’re good, and deep, and adaptable, which is a reality to which the Buckeyes will lamentably attest.
LINK:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...akes-two-michigan-state-quarterback/76406482/

Lynn.henning@detroitnews.com

 

[vietvet1]

MSU 35
UPS. 10

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Michigan State takes bumpy road to finale against Penn State

With one game left in the regular season, Michigan State is where it was supposed to be. More interesting is how it got there.


Ranked fifth in the AP preseason poll, the Spartans are No. 6 (and fifth in the College Football Playoff rankings) heading into the regular-season finale at home Saturday against Penn State. A win would clinch the Big Ten East and set up a date with Iowa for the conference championship, with the winner likely advancing to the playoff.


But for a team sporting a 10-1 record, it has been a bumpy ride. Six games have come down to the final possession. The Spartans have won five, including last week's 17-14 win over Ohio State. Michael Geiger kicked a 41-yard field goal as time expired, plunging most of the record Ohio Stadium crowd into a stunned silence.


A two-touchdown underdog, Michigan State did it the hard way, as usual. It was missing Connor Cook, perhaps the best quarterback in the Big Ten, who sprained his right shoulder Nov. 14 against Maryland. His status for Saturday is uncertain.


Both backups were adequate. But the Spartans rushed for 203 yards and held the powerful Buckeyes offense to 132 yards and five first downs. After 15 games of rushing for at least 100 yards, running back Ezekiel Elliot managed just 33. He was so frustrated he blurted out afterward that he wanted no more of the place after the season.


“We played with an attitude,” Michigan State coach Mark Dantonio said.


The Spartans were favored, sometimes by double-digits, in close wins over Oregon (31-28), Purdue (24-21), Rutgers (31-24) and Michigan (27-23) and in their 39-38 loss to Nebraska. Dantonio said his team “was chased all year long on 10 games.”


The Ohio State game was different. So was Michigan State's intensity.


“We got to be the chaser, so we could play on emotion,” Dantonio said.


It was pure luck, not emotion, that enabled the Spartans to beat Michigan in a wild finish. Michigan led 23-21 in the final seconds. All the Wolverines had to do was punt the ball. But rugby-style punter Blake O'Neill bobbled a low snap. Rather than fall on the ball, he instinctively tried to kick it. Instead, he swatted the ball to Jalen Watts-Jackson, who ran 38 yards to the end zone.


“You go from 10 seconds, a guy punting the ball, you're thinking, OK this is done,” Dantonio said after the game. “And then all of a sudden, life gets flipped upside down.”


Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, but the Spartans are both and have been for a while. In his ninth season, Dantonio, who overcame a mild heart attack in 2010, has created an elite program. His teams are 85-32 (.726) with two conference titles, 34-4 since the start of the 2013 season and 6-1 in their past seven games against top-10 opponents.


“They've got a culture of winning that they've established,” Penn State coach James Franklin said.


“I think we've had resilience with this football team,” Dantonio said. “I think it speaks to the foundation of the program. We know how to win. We understand how to win.”


Bob Cohn is a staff writer for Trib Total Media. Reach him at bcohn@tribweb.com or via Twitter @BCohn_Trib.

 

[Agoodnap]

Captain, why do you include the 2016 recruiting rankings in this thread each week. It would seem that HS boys would have no bearing on the upcoming game. Please explain. Also, doesn't it seem silly to include the freshmen class rankings since freshmen typically have very little effect on the current season.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Captain, why do you include the 2016 recruiting rankings in this thread each week. It would seem that HS boys would have no bearing on the upcoming game. Please explain. Also, doesn't it seem silly to include the freshmen class rankings since freshmen typically have very little effect on the current season.

Good question, I believe what the recruiting rankings are right now reflects on one aspect as additional measurement on coaching. This is just one factor and one sues how long that coach has been there and other factors.

For example, GT Johnson is a great coach and won 10 games last year, but his recruiting is not reflecting it, but it is an exception to him too. Since he wins without Top Recruits, how much longer he can do is a factor to consider later to portend betting on him and his team.

Narduzzi being new has less of a factor until finishes this year and next it will then be more accurate.

Golden has a Top Class of recruits but now Miami is falling fast, so that factor is not as important either right now to judge Miami coaching and same with VT and Cuse!

Now look at ULOU and Petrino, see how his recruiting is improving in the Top 25, that is a measurement showing one additional factor he is a good coach, and he has just got there?

UVA London has won just about 5 games every year, but his recruiting is not that bad, and his schedule was one of the toughest the last 5 years. Even though he has been losing they have not been by big losses, so measure his recruiting is a factor one helping to add up factors on his coaching!

The ACC Recruiting Programs & Coaches So Far Last 3-5 Years:

1. FSU
2. ND
3. CLEMSON
4. MIAMI
5. ULOU
6. UNC
7. UVA
8. VT
9. NCS
10. DUKE
11. PITT
12. BC
13. CUSE
14. GT
15. WAKE FOREST

BIG TEN:
1. OSU
2. PENN STATE
3. MSU
4. MICHIGAN
5. NEBRASKA
6. WISCONSIN
7. IOWA
8. NW
9. RUTGERS
10. MARYLAND
11. MINNESOTA
12. ILLINOIS
13. INDIANA
14. PURDUE

 

[Ditka1960]

Michigan State 21 Penn State 10

It will be interesting to see how PSU is affected by finishing the season with 4 straight losses. I think they'll also lose their bowl game as they'll likely be stuck playing an SEC team with a pulse.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Michigan State 21 Penn State 10

It will be interesting to see how PSU is affected by finishing the season with 4 straight losses. I think they'll also lose their bowl game as they'll likely be stuck playing an SEC team with a pulse.

I am starting to come to the realizations that Franklin will win 8 to 9 Games like he did at Vanderbilt, but the Nittany Lions will always struggle to win 10 and 10+ games. Franklin is bringing in talent based on recruiting rankings but he did not coach up that talent like Pitt's Narduzzi or Michigan's Harbaugh did this year.

When a University has a Top 15 Program in Resources to compete against other Top 15 Programs, high expectations are demanded not just expected.

The problem is there are other Programs that are not in the Top 15, but they have Great coaches that have them in the Top 25 to Top 15 almost every year like MSU, Baylor, TCU, Stanford, and that depends on how those University's attract and select Great Coaches that stay.

The next goal for Franklin and his Teams is to beat a Ranked Winning School, thne do it more every year, then win 10 games, then win 10+ games every year. I don't think he can do it based on how bad his coaching has been these last two years!

All his excuse makers including himself keeps saying, Wait And See, He needs more Time, these are not his Players, but these are his Players.

Great Coaches come in and see what they have and molds them into winning teams right away because he coaches them all up as Teams.

Franklin needed one year to get better at Vanderbilt and then won 9 Games but never 10 Games?

We shall see if Franklin can do that in the Big Ten with three 24th, 15th and now Top 10 Recruiting Classes. But still struggling against Winning Teams?

 

[Agoodnap]

Good question, I believe what the recruiting rankings are right now reflects on one aspect as additional measurement on coaching. This is just one factor and one sues how long that coach has been there and other factors.

For example, GT Johnson is a great coach and won 10 games last year, but his recruiting is not reflecting it, but it is an exception to him too. Since he wins without Top Recruits, how much longer he can do is a factor to consider later to portend betting on him and his team.

Narduzzi being new has less of a factor until finishes this year and next it will then be more accurate.

Golden has a Top Class of recruits but now Miami is falling fast, so that factor is not as important either right now to judge Miami coaching and same with VT and Cuse!

Now look at ULOU and Petrino, see how his recruiting is improving in the Top 25, that is a measurement showing one additional factor he is a good coach, and he has just got there?

UVA London has won just about 5 games every year, but his recruiting is not that bad, and his schedule was one of the toughest the last 5 years. Even though he has been losing they have not been by big losses, so measure his recruiting is a factor one helping to add up factors on his coaching!

The ACC Recruiting Programs & Coaches So Far Last 3-5 Years:

1. FSU
2. ND
3. CLEMSON
4. MIAMI
5. ULOU
6. UNC
7. UVA
8. VT
9. NCS
10. DUKE
11. PITT
12. BC
13. CUSE
14. GT
15. WAKE FOREST

BIG TEN:
1. OSU
2. PENN STATE
3. MSU
4. MICHIGAN
5. NEBRASKA
6. WISCONSIN
7. IOWA
8. NW
9. RUTGERS
10. MARYLAND
11. MINNESOTA
12. ILLINOIS
13. INDIANA
14. PURDUE

Again, True Freshmen classes (with VERY few exceptions) and NEXT Years incoming HS kids have no bearing on how the teams are playing NOR should they be part of comparing recruiting rankings within the subject of how the teams are playing on the field.

Now, if the discussion was about how they are likely to perform in the future, then yes they should be included. However, this is not the intent of the threads subject.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Agoodnap, post: 561455, member: 19925"]Again, True Freshmen classes (with VERY few exceptions)
Really, here is the PSU Depth Chart go over it, lists the True Freshmen? For all of us to see?
LINK:
https://pittsburgh.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp?Year=2013&Team=PENNST

Don't get me wrong, if they are not the starters then show me the True Freshmen? I don't mind if you can correct the Depth Chart!

and NEXT Years incoming HS kids have no bearing on how the teams are playing NOR should they be part of comparing recruiting rankings within the subject of how the teams are playing on the field.
What about the 24th & 15th Recruiting Classes, are any of them playing besides Barkley? Again,name the True Freshmen that are playing now?

Now, if the discussion was about how they are likely to perform in the future, then yes they should be included. However, this is not the intent of the threads subject.
Sorry, Franklin has had 24 games and still not near beating a Winning Team and they look worse than last year?

I can see Franklin winning 8 or even 9 games in some years, but 10 will be rare for him in the current Big Ten & current coaches! Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Northwestern will be playing the next 4 years at times, along with Pitt. Add in MSU Michigan and OSU that is a tough Schedule unlike this year?

Until Franklin does it, like tomorrow, I will await all the true Freshmen that are playing? I count 2 on Offense and some on Special Teams has a few but they still have not improved either and this is the 11th game?

The Defense has mostly Upperclassmen, what are you going about when they are replaced?

Pitt has just 11 Seniors just like PSU with a few leaving. Pitt had 3 True Freshmen playing and were coached up! Harbaugh in one year turned Michigan around! What Players have been coached up on PSU?

I don't you mind you making excuses for Franklin, but back it with some names, and come back and discuss football anytime, that is OK here on the Lair.

 

[Agoodnap]

"Agoodnap, post: 561455, member: 19925"]Again, True Freshmen classes (with VERY few exceptions)
Really, here is the PSU Depth Chart go over it, lists the True Freshmen? For all of us to see?
Ok, using PSU's depth chart is fine for this discussion. I see exactly two True Freshmen that are getting a meaningful number of plays. Doesn't this just strengthen my point that the True Freshmen class ranking shouldn't be a measure for how the current team is performing on the field?
LINK:
https://pittsburgh.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp?Year=2013&Team=PENNST

Don't get me wrong, if they are not the starters then show me the True Freshmen? I don't mind if you can correct the Depth Chart!

and NEXT Years incoming HS kids have no bearing on how the teams are playing NOR should they be part of comparing recruiting rankings within the subject of how the teams are playing on the field.
What about the 24th & 15th Recruiting Classes, are any of them playing besides Barkley? Again,name the True Freshmen that are playing now?
Why are you discussing the Sophomore and Freshmen when is statement refers to NEXT years incoming class. Those kids are High School Seniors and don't affect the play in any way. Whyare you having difficulty seeing that such a measure has ZERO value in determining how a team is playing this year.

Now, if the discussion was about how they are likely to perform in the future, then yes they should be included. However, this is not the intent of the threads subject.
Sorry, Franklin has had 24 games and still not near beating a Winning Team and they look worse than last year?
This has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

I can see Franklin winning 8 or even 9 games in some years, but 10 will be rare for him in the current Big Ten & current coaches! Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Northwestern will be playing the next 4 years at times, along with Pitt. Add in MSU Michigan and OSU that is a tough Schedule unlike this year?
You have now changed the entire scope of the thread with the above.

Until Franklin does it, like tomorrow, I will await all the true Freshmen that are playing? I count 2 on Offense and some on Special Teams has a few but they still have not improved either and this is the 11th game?
I don't even understand this statement. I guess you agree that True Freshmen don't contribute much to the current field play. I assume you agree that is true for almost ALL college football teams and that is because the true freshmen need to adjust to college life including class work, get bigger and stronger, and learn the playbook, in that order.

The Defense has mostly Upperclassmen, what are you going about when they are replaced?
This is a different subject that we could discuss separately. You keep changing the subject...

Pitt has just 11 Seniors just like PSU with a few leaving. Pitt had 3 True Freshmen playing and were coached up! Harbaugh in one year turned Michigan around! What Players have been coached up on PSU?
Look at Michigan's ranking of their Senior and Junior classes. Again, coaching up is an entirely different subject. Start a new thread and I'll jump in when I have the chance.

I don't you mind you making excuses for Franklin, but back it with some names, and come back and discuss football anytime, that is OK here on the Lair.

I didn't bring up PSU or Franklin one time, you did however. I took exception with which classes you were/are using for comparison.

 

[bmejnes]

MSU 28
PSU 10

 

[BuffetParrothead]

MSU 42
Cow Pasture U 14

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Agoodnap, post: 561455, member: 19925"]Again, True Freshmen classes (with VERY few exceptions)
Really, here is the PSU Depth Chart go over it, lists the True Freshmen? For all of us to see?
Ok, using PSU's depth chart is fine for this discussion. I see exactly two True Freshmen that are getting a meaningful number of plays. Doesn't this just strengthen my point that the True Freshmen class ranking shouldn't be a measure for how the current team is performing on the field?
I am not sure what you are saying please be more specific and make sure you remove QUOTE Boxes the discussion can be seen better.
In addition, there is a Coaching Adage that for every Freshmen playing on the Team of Starters expect 1 loss for each one. Pitt is playing 3 Freshmen, Penn State 2 and MSU 1! The Adage is based upon Freshmen making mistakes.
LINK:
https://pittsburgh.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp?Year=2013&Team=PENNST

Don't get me wrong, if they are not the starters then show me the True Freshmen? I don't mind if you can correct the Depth Chart!

and NEXT Years incoming HS kids have no bearing on how the teams are playing NOR should they be part of comparing recruiting rankings within the subject of how the teams are playing on the field.
What about the 24th & 15th Recruiting Classes, are any of them playing besides Barkley? Again,name the True Freshmen that are playing now?
Why are you discussing the Sophomore and Freshmen when is statement refers to NEXT years incoming class. Those kids are High School Seniors and don't affect the play in any way. Why are you having difficulty seeing that such a measure has ZERO value in determining how a team is playing this year.
Oh, I see the misunderstanding now, let me explain further. It is my system I use to show a Coaches ability to recruit and use that as just another factor of how I rate Coaches, no one else and I use it to make evaluation before I make Bets. It has Solely, serves me well and I am not using it for anything else. So, I post the current ranking (2016) showing that Coach Recruiting factor is compared to others at the moment and since they will be coaching against one another! I agree it is not meant to measure the comparison of teams, just the abilities of that coach and just one factor not any determining factor. The Great to Elite Coaches Recruit in the Top 25 and Win in the Top 25 and mostly in the Top Ten! This is just one added evaluation of coaches comparison. My own system and hope that clears it up.

Now, if the discussion was about how they are likely to perform in the future, then yes they should be included. However, this is not the intent of the threads subject.
Sorry, Franklin has had 24 games and still not near beating a Winning Team and they look worse than last year?
This has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Well, as pointed out you misunderstood or I did not explain it properly. Does not matter now, that I explained why I used it.

I am using to judge Franklin and Narduzzi and other coaches they play against that are using Freshmen to build for the future and add in recruiting the last few years to judge their abilities to coach up!

I can see Franklin winning 8 or even 9 games in some years, but 10 will be rare for him in the current Big Ten & current coaches! Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Northwestern will be playing the next 4 years at times, along with Pitt. Add in MSU Michigan and OSU that is a tough Schedule unlike this year?
You have now changed the entire scope of the thread with the above.
It was explained further in what was misunderstood, and it has been my scope comparing which coach can coach up faster their players. Franklin has inherited and recruited over 2 years now and still having trouble not coming close to beating Higher Ranked Teams! This is in my post above questioning his coaching ability not his recruiting abilities he is excellent at that, but needs to coach his players better.

Until Franklin does it, like tomorrow, I will await all the true Freshmen that are playing? I count 2 on Offense and some on Special Teams has a few but they still have not improved either and this is the 11th game?
I don't even understand this statement. I guess you agree that True Freshmen don't contribute much to the current field play.
Nope, you guess wrong because you misunderstood what iw s saying in the first place. Narduzzi has coached up his 3 Freshmen and Franklin is still learning to do it with his 2 freshmen, is my point. It has nothing to do with my system of adding 2016 that I only I use to as a weighted factor when comparing coaches to make my bets, as explained above!


I assume you agree that is true for almost ALL college football teams and that is because the true freshmen need to adjust to college life including class work, get bigger and stronger, and learn the playbook, in that order.
I agree in part of what you said, with that above, but there are exceptions and many coaches especially new coaches often use younger freshmen early to win later, Jim Grobe did that Wake Forest. Additionally, some Coaches are forced to do it, when they lack Talent and some that have Great recruits just can't coach them up as fast as other coaches. In is a variable factor from year to year and coach to coach and program to program.

The Defense has mostly Upperclassmen, what are you going about when they are replaced?
This is a different subject that we could discuss separately. You keep changing the subject...
Again, you misunderstood my first point and I don't blame you for that, but I am talking about comparing Narduzzi coaching of Pitt Players that have more freshmen actually playing than Franklin that has had 2 more years and even more years at Head coaching and way better recruiting and inheriting Higher rated Recruits before and after coming to Penn State. This is far different than how i used 2016 Recruiting Rankings that are not in as a small factor in my evaluation and I agree it has no bearing on what I said about Franklin above, but what only use to rate coaches.
Pitt has just 11 Seniors just like PSU with a few leaving. Pitt had 3 True Freshmen playing and were coached up! Harbaugh in one year turned Michigan around! What Players have been coached up on PSU?
Look at Michigan's ranking of their Senior and Junior classes. Again, coaching up is an entirely different subject. Start a new thread and I'll jump in when I have the chance.
No, it is exactly my subject all along and shows why Franklin felt the need to explain why he wants others to be patience, but Harbaugh took over and is near 10 Wins in one year, Narduzzi a First Year Head Coach is doing a better job than Franklin with less Rated and Recruits and more freshmen! So, now you know the misunderstanding you assumed and guess, and I did not blame you for that confusion!

I don't you mind you making excuses for Franklin, but back it with some names, and come back and discuss football anytime, that is OK here on the Lair.

I didn't bring up PSU or Franklin one time, you did however. I took exception with which classes you were/are using for comparison.
I agree, and pointed out where the misunderstanding came from without blame. So, now you know and did not miond discussing it with you.

(NEXT TIME GET RID OF QUOTE BRACKETS SO WE WON"T HAVE TROUBLE RESPONDING IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND DISCUSSION!

 

[Safety Blitz]

MICHIGAN STATE-Penn State Game Day Predictions!
Well, Penn State Coach Franklin is way down right now while explaining his teams’ failures on a whole. MSU’s Coach Dantonio is flying high right now, one game from going 10-1 and 6-1 losing only to Nebraska by 1 point and badly wanting to be in the CFB Playoffs! This is always a dangerous situation to be in especially without MSU QB Cook playing at his best and Conner needing to run to win? Like most of Dantonio Wins, they are not blowouts, at least this year. Moreover, should have loss to Michigan but really did not play Purdue, Rutgers, and Oregon will any excitement but still won. Penn State is showing they cannot beat or play with winning teams but they have some weapons that wake up if they can execute their Game Plans? Penn State can stop the MSU’s passing game with a new QB as well as stop the run. This is the problem I see, Franklin’s Game Plans and Sideline Coaching. Penn State has the talent but will it come together this game? The fact is MSU Defense will win this game on its own by sacking the Hack Attack and bottling up Barkley. Everyone thinks that Franklin somehow will come up with great trick plays but I just don't see it. Penn State could make trouble with its defense but their Offense and Special Teams will be inconsistent as usual. Most experts think this will be a close game, but I am going against that kind of wind talk, Dantonio will blow away Franklin because he has to gain a CFB Playoff if he beats Iowa. MSU is not looking ahead they never do, they can be beat in a close game, but this will not be one. Dantonio had 4 De-Commits a few weeks ago, and Franklin called to poach them. I do not think Hackenberg finishes the game and his Penn State career may be finished too!
33 MICHIGAN STATE Penn State 17
GAME DAY RESULT:
Preseason Predictions august 2015
@Michigan State:
It is Coach DAntonio against Fast Frankie, Frankie will blink and pay for his easy scheduling in a big way and gets upset being beaten badly. Paterno Clan shouts bring back Jay!
Penn State 14 MICHIGAN STATE 34 (8-4)

Individual Game Results of Penn State (vs Michigan State), 2014
11/29/2014 vs. Michigan State (11-2) L 10 34
11/27/2010 vs. Michigan State (11-2) L 22 28

Recruiting Rankings Talent Last Five Years Pretty Even!
2011:
#31 MSU
#35 Psu

2012:
#41 MSU
#51 Psu

2013:
#40 MSU
#43 Psu

2014:
#22 MSU
#24 Psu

2015:
#22 Msu
#15 PSU

2016 CURRENT:
#14 Msu
#9 PSU

PENN STATE SCHEDULE 2015 7-4 (4-3)
Sept. 5, 2015 at Temple L 27-10 0-1
Sept. 12, 2015 Buffalo W 27-14 1-1
Sept. 19, 2015 RutgersW 28-3 2-1 (1-0)
Sept. 26, 2015 San Diego St. W 37-21 3-1
Oct. 3, 2015 Army W 20-14 4-1
Oct. 10, 2015 IndianaW 29-7 5-1 (2-0)
Oct. 17, 2015 at Ohio State L 38-10 5-2 (2-1)
Oct. 24, 2015 at Maryland W 31-30 6-2 (3-1)
Oct. 31, 2015 Illinois W 39-0 7-2 (4-1)
Nov. 7, 2015 at Northwestern L 23-21 7-3 (4-2)
Nov. 21, 2015 Michigan L 28-16 7-4 (4-3)
Nov. 28, 2015 at Michigan State 3:30 pm

PENN STATE 42ND < 36TH > 37TH < 35TH > 39TH 7-4 (4-3):
6 MSU 10-1 ???
8 OSU 10-1 L
11 MICHIGAN 9-2 L
19 NW 9-2 L
23 TEMPLE 9-2 L
36TH SDSU 8-3 W
42ND PSU 7-5 Projected Ranking Record
67 INDIANA 5-6 W
72 ILLINOIS 5-6 W
75 UMD 2-9 W
89 BUFFALO 5-6 W
95 RUTGERS 4-7 W
119 ARMY 2-9 W

MICHIGAN STATE SCHEDULE 2015 10-1 (6-1)
Sept. 4, 2015 @West. Mich W 37-24 1-0
Sept. 12, 2015 Oregon W 31-28 2-0
Sept. 19, 2015 Air Force W 35-21 3-0
Sept. 26, 2015 Central Mich W 30-10 4-0
Oct. 3, 2015 Purdue W 24-21 5-0 (1-0)
Oct. 10, 2015 at Rutgers W 31-24 6-0 (2-0)
Oct. 17, 2015 at Michigan W 27-23 7-0 (3-0)
Oct. 24, 2015 Indiana W 52-26 8-0 (4-0)
Nov. 7, 2015 at Nebraska L 39-38 8-1 (4-1)
Nov. 14, 2015 Maryland W 24-7 9-1 (5-1)
Nov. 21, 2015 at Ohio State W 17-14 10-1 (6-1)
Nov. 28, 2015 Penn State 3:30 pm

MICHIGAN STATE 6TH 10-1 (6-1)
6 MSU 11-1 10-2 Projected Ranking Record
8 OHIO STATE W
11 MICHIGAN W
20 OREGON W
42 PENN STATE ???
45 AIR FORCE W
59 CENTRAL MICHIGAN W
62 WESTERN MICHIGAN W
65 NEBRASKA L
70 MINNESOTA W
74 INDIANA W
88 UMD W
99 RU W

Capt Sid....I'll have to give you two predictions, both Sparty wins. If Cook can play and plays well into the second half, I think Sparty will win by approx three TDs. I believe the BIG winner will be in the Final Four, but MSU would like an impressive win prior to the BIG title game to bolster its case. If Cook isn't ready, Sparty by seven to ten points. Dantonio will have his two young QBs manage the offense with another low risk game plan. As a PSU fan, I'm reserving judgement on Coach Franklin. He's playing with a short deck, especially on the O line. He has some players coming. We'll see over the next couple years if his staff can coach. PSU should be very good by 2017 or 2018 if he is a capable coach.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Safety Blitz, post: 565247, member: 7179"]Capt Sid....I'll have to give you two predictions, both Sparty wins. If Cook can play and plays well into the second half, I think Sparty will win by approx three TDs. I believe the BIG winner will be in the Final Four, but MSU would like an impressive win prior to the BIG title game to bolster its case. If Cook isn't ready, Sparty by seven to ten points. Dantonio will have his two young QBs manage the offense with another low risk game plan.
Good Analysis and Penn State Players could upset MSU if taken lightly? We shall see? But agree with your analysis!

As a PSU fan, I'm reserving judgement on Coach Franklin. He's playing with a short deck, especially on the O line.
I just expected better playing by the 11th and 12th games and he had 6 Home games against Sub-Par Talent except Temple to get his squad ready for bigger and better talented teams? Last year's Team was better too. He almost beat OSU & Michigan last year?

He has some players coming. We'll see over the next couple years if his staff can coach. PSU should be very good by 2017 or 2018 if he is a capable coach.
This is fair but by now with a 5 Star QB in his 3rd year, they should be playing better against Top Competition. They are losing before Half-Time. Even Paterno that did not recruit on the same level as Franklin had better seasons.

He has 11 Four Star Recruits from 2014, 6 from 2013, and inherited 9 Four Star recruits and a 5 Star QB in Hackenberg?

I will be doing a Future Schedule Analysis of Pitt, Penn State and WVU son, and please comment if you have something to add or disagree with without any regard of taking or giving offense.

I once thought Franklin would be an Elite Coach because he has an Elite Program. Yet, I am not seeing it and he seems to be lucky to win 8 or 9 games in the future. I just can't put him in the same caliber of Harbaugh, Dantonio, Meyer, Ferentz, Fitzgerald, and Narduzzi!

Pitt has so much to do on Recruiting too, as well as WVU on Coaching too! As I see it, all 3 Programs are pretty close with some ancillary advantages and disadvantages within each Conference. But right now I don't see Franklin winning 10 Games in the future, mostly 8 and 9, but we shall see?

Franklin has had Head Coaching experience for 5 years now at Vandy & Penn state and with the same Staff and their coaching is not showing up. I know it takes time building an OL, but I and other expected to see some progress by now. This is why many question his coaching today. In addition to the high bar he set for himself?

Unlike Coach Narduzzi that is just a First Year Coach with a New Staff just put together in One Year. They have improved their Players every game with less talent that Penn State has and bout the same Depth Charts? He has not beaten a Ranked Team either but has played them closer and never had his Team giving up. We need to see his full body of work the next few years too, but it looks rising looking at this year!

Dana Holgrosen also has been Head Coaching with some changing on Staff? He has had his Team ready for some years now, but they have scored big points even in big losses too. He has switched to a Power running game and that may show up next year better than this year. Looks he will get another year or two too!

Pitt looks to have the coaching but needs better recruiting, bigger rosters, higher attendance, and more resources to build up the Program to get to 10+ games Wins!

Penn State looks to have the recruiting, bugger rosters, Top Ten Attendance, and all the resources to win but needs better coaching to stay with Top Coaches Programs in the Big Ten!


WVU has a little of both Coaching and Recruiting but is still far behind the top Coaches & Programs in the Big-12 even with everything going for it on Rosters Size, Attendance, and Resources.

All 3 have to improve to become Top 25 Teams and none are near winning their conferences right now!

There should be improvement today against MSU, we shall see?