Midfield logo/endzones

[Sean Miller Fan]

After Barnes spent a good bit of time talking about branding at the Town Hall, I thought it was very appropriate that the first question said something like we have a 120 by 50 of highly visible space unbranded and specifically mentioned the midfield logo and endzones.

This is what I dont understand, even in a worst-case scenario, Pitt game ends at midnight, Steelers play in 13 hours and its supposed to rain all night, couldnt Pitt spend, I dont know $20K in staff and supplies to repaint the endzones and logo for the Steelers. In case of rain, there has to be some type of portable canopy type thing that can be assembled that can keep the paint dry. And keep in mind, this is a once every 3 year scenario.

If Pitt finishes at 3:30, there should be plenty of time to repaint for the Steelers.

Temple and USF go about it a bit different. If the NFL teams olay the next day, the field has the NFL logos. But if the NFL teams are away, their midfield logos and endzones make it look very much like their home field.

Perhaps a compromise can be reached. If they have less than 24 hours to paint, you get generic endzone and the Christmas ornament at midfield. If there is more than 24 hours, gold endzones, Panthers in the other one and a huge@$$ script Pitt at the 50.

 

[oldpanther]

After Barnes spent a good bit of time talking about branding at the Town Hall, I thought it was very appropriate that the first question said something like we have a 120 by 50 of highly visible space unbranded and specifically mentioned the midfield logo and endzones.

This is what I dont understand, even in a worst-case scenario, Pitt game ends at midnight, Steelers play in 13 hours and its supposed to rain all night, couldnt Pitt spend, I dont know $20K in staff and supplies to repaint the endzones and logo for the Steelers. In case of rain, there has to be some type of portable canopy type thing that can be assembled that can keep the paint dry. And keep in mind, this is a once every 3 year scenario.

If Pitt finishes at 3:30, there should be plenty of time to repaint for the Steelers.

Temple and USF go about it a bit different. If the NFL teams olay the next day, the field has the NFL logos. But if the NFL teams are away, their midfield logos and endzones make it look very much like their home field.

Perhaps a compromise can be reached. If they have less than 24 hours to paint, you get generic endzone and the Christmas ornament at midfield. If there is more than 24 hours, gold endzones, Panthers in the other one and a huge@$$ script Pitt at the 50.

Please SMF, Pitt is in a feel good mode at this moment,recruiting on the rise, ups ship has more hole than Swiss cheese, many positives involving Coach PN, staff and fans. Maybe thee subject of uniforms, colors, logos can wait until, say April after Spring ball.

 

[paulbl99]

After Barnes spent a good bit of time talking about branding at the Town Hall, I thought it was very appropriate that the first question said something like we have a 120 by 50 of highly visible space unbranded and specifically mentioned the midfield logo and endzones.

This is what I dont understand, even in a worst-case scenario, Pitt game ends at midnight, Steelers play in 13 hours and its supposed to rain all night, couldnt Pitt spend, I dont know $20K in staff and supplies to repaint the endzones and logo for the Steelers. In case of rain, there has to be some type of portable canopy type thing that can be assembled that can keep the paint dry. And keep in mind, this is a once every 3 year scenario.

If Pitt finishes at 3:30, there should be plenty of time to repaint for the Steelers.

Temple and USF go about it a bit different. If the NFL teams olay the next day, the field has the NFL logos. But if the NFL teams are away, their midfield logos and endzones make it look very much like their home field.

Perhaps a compromise can be reached. If they have less than 24 hours to paint, you get generic endzone and the Christmas ornament at midfield. If there is more than 24 hours, gold endzones, Panthers in the other one and a huge@$$ script Pitt at the 50.

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[TempleBAPittMPA]

Temple and USF go about it a bit different. If the NFL teams olay the next day, the field has the NFL logos. But if the NFL teams are away, their midfield logos and endzones make it look very much like their home field.

From what I recall, you're correct about USF. However, the only times Temple has been able to get its own markings on the field has been when there has been no Eagles game for a minimum of two weekends (e. g., Eagles game on Thursday, scheduled bye weeks, consecutive road games).

 

[RoguePanther]

You mean to tell me Pitt/Rooney's can't afford to have a few 27 ft diameter circles of grass growing somewhere that can be painted and ready to drop in on short notice? Grass is not that expensive fellas....

 

[HailtoPitt]

You guys still don't get it. It isn't Pitt's field. They aren't allowed to do anything outside of painting their logo within the small circle on the 50, or else it would have happened by now.

Even if the Steelers have a month of games on the road, Pitt still will not be allowed to have anything more than the small midfield logo and Steelers endzones.

Now, if it is something that is barely noticeable on tv, like a small panther logo in the side of the seats, or on the gate then the Steelers might go for it, but any major branding for Pitt is not going to happen. There is a better chance that the Steelers say screw it and have no logo on the field.

You might also remember one of the Town Hall questions was about game times, and it was probably the shortest answer Barnes gave as he moved on to the next question. That's because there is pretty much nothing he can do about it, just like the midfield logo.

The only way Pitt can have the field they want is to have their own stadium.

 

[NCLee]

You guys still don't get it. It isn't Pitt's field. They aren't allowed to do anything outside of painting their logo within the small circle on the 50, or else it would have happened by now.

Even if the Steelers have a month of games on the road, Pitt still will not be allowed to have anything more than the small midfield logo and Steelers endzones.

Now, if it is something that is barely noticeable on tv, like a small panther logo in the side of the seats, or on the gate then the Steelers might go for it, but any major branding for Pitt is not going to happen. There is a better chance that the Steelers say screw it and have no logo on the field.

You might also remember one of the Town Hall questions was about game times, and it was probably the shortest answer Barnes gave as he moved on to the next question. That's because there is pretty much nothing he can do about it, just like the midfield logo.

The only way Pitt can have the field they want is to have their own stadium.

Truth!

 

[ratking17]

Pitt should pay the broadcasters to display a computer generated graphic. Espn has done it for basketball games where the logo on the court changes during the broadcast

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Pitt can do anything thing they want, albeit temporary, if physically possible and they pay for it.
Obviously a 20 yard wide panther shadow can't still be visible on Monday night football.

 

[SteelCityChamps]

After Barnes spent a good bit of time talking about branding at the Town Hall, I thought it was very appropriate that the first question said something like we have a 120 by 50 of highly visible space unbranded and specifically mentioned the midfield logo and endzones.

This is what I dont understand, even in a worst-case scenario, Pitt game ends at midnight, Steelers play in 13 hours and its supposed to rain all night, couldnt Pitt spend, I dont know $20K in staff and supplies to repaint the endzones and logo for the Steelers. In case of rain, there has to be some type of portable canopy type thing that can be assembled that can keep the paint dry. And keep in mind, this is a once every 3 year scenario.

If Pitt finishes at 3:30, there should be plenty of time to repaint for the Steelers.

Temple and USF go about it a bit different. If the NFL teams olay the next day, the field has the NFL logos. But if the NFL teams are away, their midfield logos and endzones make it look very much like their home field.

Perhaps a compromise can be reached. If they have less than 24 hours to paint, you get generic endzone and the Christmas ornament at midfield. If there is more than 24 hours, gold endzones, Panthers in the other one and a huge@$$ script Pitt at the 50.

I've been vocal about the midfield logo and endzones for a long time.

It was absolutely criminal that the Rooney's went around with their tin can and begged for a tax payer funded stadium. Our tax payer dollars helped build that stadium.

PITT needs to find a way to make that stadium their own. I feel as though I am at someone else's house that is just rented out for 4 hours a week.

I don't know where you got your information on USF. I believe they always have the midfield logo and endzones. This past year they had them against Memphis on a Friday night with the Buccaneers playing on Sunday. Then against Syracuse they had them with the Bucs playing the next day.

And yes, Tampa Bay has a grass stadium. If USF can afford it, PITT should be able to afford/do it.



And here is a third game (11/14/2015) with the Bucs playing the next day.

 

[BPXCIV]

Until they went to field turf, ND had nothing but //////// and it looked fine.

 

[JoseLind13]

Weird... I rolled my eyes, along with a few strangers seated near me, at the first question asked of the AD during the town hall. It was a narrow and tired point and a huge buzzkill from the much larger strategic plan that he had just unveiled.

 

[razzaba]

Weird... I rolled my eyes, along with a few strangers seated near me, at the first question asked of the AD during the town hall. It was a narrow and tired point and a huge buzzkill from the much larger strategic plan that he had just unveiled.

I get that winning is the ultimate goal, first and foremost, but why don't some of you seem to grasp that image/brand is very important as well? Perception is reality in some cases, and the perception is that we don't care enough to demand to be better.

My wife, who once referred to uniforms as "costumes," and is not from Pittsburgh and did not go to school at Pitt, at one point asked me why the field was so plain and thought that the midfield logo looked like an afterthought. At first she thought we were playing a game at a different stadium and not ours (though I guess that's true in some sense)

The point is, she knows very little about football but it made enough of an impression for her to bring it up. It's embarrassing.

What P5 school has a worse on field image/brand than we do? For that matter, what D1 school period?

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I've been vocal about the midfield logo and endzones for a long time.

It was absolutely criminal that the Rooney's went around with their tin can and begged for a tax payer funded stadium. Our tax payer dollars helped build that stadium.

PITT needs to find a way to make that stadium their own. I feel as though I am at someone else's house that is just rented out for 4 hours a week.

I don't know where you got your information on USF. I believe they always have the midfield logo and endzones. This past year they had them against Memphis on a Friday night with the Buccaneers playing on Sunday. Then against Syracuse they had them with the Bucs playing the next day.

And yes, Tampa Bay has a grass stadium. If USF can afford it, PITT should be able to afford/do it.

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And here is a third game (11/14/2015) with the Bucs playing the next day.

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It comes down to money. Sure, the Rooneys dont want Pitt to paint but if Pitt offered them $100K per paint turnover, they're not going to turn that down. Now, obviously that is too much but there has to be a happy medium somewhere. Pitt has to find enough money to pay the Steelers so we can paint the field.

I dont know the deals Temple and USF have going on but I do know that at least for certain games, their fields look maroon and white and green and gold.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

What P5 school has a worse on field image/brand than we do? For that matter, what D1 school period?

I dont know the deals Temple and USF have going on but I do know that at least for certain games, their fields look maroon and white and green and gold.

Well, there's this one:

http://billypenn.com/2016/01/21/the...ooks-like-phillys-nfl-team-is-robbing-temple/

(The photo is obviously from Temple's MAC days, but get a load of that cheezy end zone.)

 

[razzaba]

Well, there's this one:

http://billypenn.com/2016/01/21/the...ooks-like-phillys-nfl-team-is-robbing-temple/

(The photo is obviously from Temple's MAC days, but get a load of that cheezy end zone.)

So we've come up with a grand total of one school... And it's Temple for the love of God.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Weird... I rolled my eyes, along with a few strangers seated near me, at the first question asked of the AD during the town hall. It was a narrow and tired point and a huge buzzkill from the much larger strategic plan that he had just unveiled.

What do you think Town Hall Meeting means? Did you expect a pep rally?

 

[HailtoPitt]

So we've come up with a grand total of one school... And it's Temple for the love of God.

There are times when Temple has their end zones painted red and it looks good. If Temple can do it, then Pitt is fully capable of doing so, at least for big games. I contend that the Steelers won't let them, which is we didn't even have the ACC logo on the field for the FSU game.

 

[Swervin27]

I think for logistical issues, the 50 yard line logo will have to remain in that big white ball. It is very easy to transfer from pitt to the steelers and back. I think what pitt fans want, is to get rid of the big ping pong ball and have a larger script.. Problem is, you would still see the white ball, although faded, and it would look like crap. Then when you get rid of the script for steeler games, you'd see a big blue P on one side of the steeler logo and a T on the other side of the steeler logo..

I don't think it's an evil plot by the rooney's as much as it would just look bad.. It's kind of like when they try to scrub away the college hashmarks for a college game, you still see them.

 

[ratking17]

There are a few things Pitt could do. The banners on the outside of the buildings looks cool. We have a few areas where Pitt is represented inside of Heinz, but even the Steelers area kind of stinks. There should an area inside the Great Hall carved out for both Pitt and Steelers to display some of their proud moments. The one thing that has always looked small time to me is the lining around the stadium on the inside. We have like 10 different Pitt eras being displayed there and some of the signage is so faded, you can see the old versions. I would LOVE, Pitt to pay the steelers whatever, and have around the 25, a huge painted Cathedral. On the other 25, we could have the city outlined. That way it is representing both the city and the university.

We just need to do a better job of when recruits and fans enter Heinz, that it screams Pitt. If it takes Pitt paying employees extra to transform it from Pitt to Stillers Saturday throughout the night, we need to do it.

As a complete aside, I also think Stage AE is a horribly underutilized location for Pre game festivities. They usually have a crappy cover band there. The one time I thought Stage AE was awesome was when we had the basketball team party thing there. That was pretty fun.

 

[SteelCityChamps]

If USF can do it, PITT can do it. No excuses.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

mid field logos and painted endzones= championships!

 

[HailtoPitt]

I think for logistical issues, the 50 yard line logo will have to remain in that big white ball. It is very easy to transfer from pitt to the steelers and back. I think what pitt fans want, is to get rid of the big ping pong ball and have a larger script.. Problem is, you would still see the white ball, although faded, and it would look like crap. Then when you get rid of the script for steeler games, you'd see a big blue P on one side of the steeler logo and a T on the other side of the steeler logo..

I don't think it's an evil plot by the rooney's as much as it would just look bad.. It's kind of like when they try to scrub away the college hashmarks for a college game, you still see them.

That is what green paint is for.

 

[OriginalEther]

There are times when Temple has their end zones painted red and it looks good. If Temple can do it, then Pitt is fully capable of doing so, at least for big games. I contend that the Steelers won't let them, which is we didn't even have the ACC logo on the field for the FSU game.

How can the Steelers not let them? They don't own the stadium.

 

[Swervin27]

How can the Steelers not let them? They don't own the stadium.

well the rooneys were the developers of Heinz, had the say so of the design of Heinz, and paid about 75 million into it so yeah, they have the final say..

 

[HailtoPitt]

How can the Steelers not let them? They don't own the stadium.

Wink wink. Nudge nudge.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

This is simple:
1.) Leave midfield vacant until the end of the college football season. Don't put any logo on the 50 yard-line.
2.) Mirror the word PITTSBURGH in the South end zone like they already have in the North end zone. That would look great.
3.) When the Pitt season ends, put the Steelers logo at midfield and the Steelers woodmark in the South end zone.

Why on earth wouldn't that approach work well for everyone?

 

[HailtoPitt]

This is simple:
1.) Leave midfield vacant until the end of the college football season. Don't put any logo on the 50 yard-line.
2.) Mirror the word PITTSBURGH in the South end zone like they already have in the North end zone. That would look great.
3.) When the Pitt season ends, put the Steelers logo at midfield and the Steelers woodmark in the South end zone.

Why on earth wouldn't that approach work well for everyone?

Your solution is to have a less Pitt centric field?

 

[bschulter]

Just put a PITT tarp at midfield. Everyone loves the tarp!!!!!!!!

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Your solution is to have a less Pitt centric field?

My solution is for us to be more pragmatic than we have been and in this instance I think the best solution is a cleaner looking field than is currently the case.

In fact, I would be fine with no end zone markings of any kind to be honest. I don't think that would hurt us in the least and could become a part of our identity - kinda like the slashes are for ND. We could be the non-nonsense program from the hard nosed city that doesn't play the silly games everyone else does with their fields, uniforms, etc. That is how I would sell it and I think people would appreciate that someone had finally stopped what has become in many respects an out of control douche train.

Who else leaves their end zones barren? I can live with the PITTSBURGH but that's as far as I'd be willing to go. I'd also be okay with diamonds or something like that in BOTH END ZONES - if the Steelers would go for it (which they wouldn't).

It's not just about slapping down a bunch of logos and the Christmas ornament logo at midfield and slashes in the South end zone does nothing to enhance our brand. It only serves to remind everyone at home and in the stadium that Pitt is second fiddle in that arrangement. That is NOT GOOD for the Panthers.

Pittsburgh and Tampa have very different climates. Therefore comparing Pitt's situation to USF's situation is a fool's errand. They probably use two different types of grass and all the rest of it.

Pitt and Temple are obviously very similar climate-wise. We could emulate their idea of going all out once or twice per season and living with the NFL markings the rest of the year but I don't prefer that approach either.

I would vote to simplify the whole thing on Saturdays and Sundays. I sincerely think that is the best long term solution for all concerned.

 

[Black Panther]

After Barnes spent a good bit of time talking about branding at the Town Hall, I thought it was very appropriate that the first question said something like we have a 120 by 50 of highly visible space unbranded and specifically mentioned the midfield logo and endzones.

This is what I dont understand, even in a worst-case scenario, Pitt game ends at midnight, Steelers play in 13 hours and its supposed to rain all night, couldnt Pitt spend, I dont know $20K in staff and supplies to repaint the endzones and logo for the Steelers. In case of rain, there has to be some type of portable canopy type thing that can be assembled that can keep the paint dry. And keep in mind, this is a once every 3 year scenario.

If Pitt finishes at 3:30, there should be plenty of time to repaint for the Steelers.

Temple and USF go about it a bit different. If the NFL teams olay the next day, the field has the NFL logos. But if the NFL teams are away, their midfield logos and endzones make it look very much like their home field.

Perhaps a compromise can be reached. If they have less than 24 hours to paint, you get generic endzone and the Christmas ornament at midfield. If there is more than 24 hours, gold endzones, Panthers in the other one and a huge@$$ script Pitt at the 50.

If you remember, the first couple years at Heinz they did change the endzones.Neither team had a midfield logo though,but the endzones were fully painted.It wasn't until maybe the last 7 years or so that the Steelers went back to a midfield logo at Heinz and that was only after the high school games in late Nov.were done.But they have been doing it from the beginning of the year probably the last three years or so..

 

[PSU_Nut]

How can the Steelers not let them? They don't own the stadium.

PSSI Stadium Corporation has an exclusive lease that gives it control of the stadium. The Rooney's own PSSI. Both Pitt and the Steelers lease from PSSI.

 

[pittforreal]

So if they put a big giant PITT on the field like they have at the Pete everyone would love Pitt and the stadium would suddenly fill up?????? I knew the students went to sing a song but I didn't know you grown ups went to see a big logo.

 

[razzaba]

So if they put a big giant PITT on the field like they have at the Pete everyone would love Pitt and the stadium would suddenly fill up?????? I knew the students went to sing a song but I didn't know you grown ups went to see a big logo.

I think it's more perception of caring and putting forth the effort. No one is suggestion that logo = wins or butts in the seats. But it may impact a 17 year old kid and when they are making their decision to a school/program, they want to commit to a program who also is showing a full commitment to building that program and brand.

I kind of liken it to a website... If two companies sell similar products, but one website is terrible looking and the other is clean and modern and attractive, which company would you think is more legitimate?

 

[Swervin27]

So if they put a big giant PITT on the field like they have at the Pete everyone would love Pitt and the stadium would suddenly fill up?????? I knew the students went to sing a song but I didn't know you grown ups went to see a big logo.

I am a grown up and I really want to see a big logo.. I also am going on 40 and still shotgun beer using my car keys so yeah, not the most mature 39 year old out there..

 

[Twisted Pittster]

Since both teams have gold in their color schemes I say we follow the lead of Boise State and Eastern Washington and install a gold turf field. Make the yard lines in dark, dark navy blue so you can't really tell if they're blue or black.

To solve the mid field logo and end zone logo problems we have both teams set aside their egos in favor of the almighty dollar and sell advertising. I can see one end zone painted with "Primanti Bros", the other with "Blennd", and of course a nice big "Kennywood" logo across mid field.

Problem solved - Yinzer style.