Monmouth beats #17 Notre Dame 70-68
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Still, quite impressive (for a MAAC team) to have a win over a ranked team AND a win over a historically good program in UCLA.
Pitt would take their record up to this point.
Monmouth was rated #107 Sagarin. Game was at Monmouth. Sagarin's computer predicted ND by 6.5 giving Monmouth their home court advantage. So, not a huge upset. Pitt will move ahead of Notre Dame in the Sagarin ratings when they are updated tomorrow.
Unless Monmouth moved their campus to Orlando, Florida, no.
Monmouth's first win in school history against a ranked team, according to what they said during the game.
Game wasn't AT Monmouth, game was played on a neutral site court in a Florida tournament. Monmouth was "considered" the home team I guess as they wore white unis.
ND losing to Monmouth <=> Pitt losing to Duquesne
Monmouth <=> Duquesne in Sagarin ratings.
ND lost game at foul line. ND 8/17, Monmouth 18/22. That is all that is needed to know know. ND led in every other stat category.
Except turnovers: notre dame had 8 more so they lost the game there too.(6 from steals )
Or if they made 1 of the 14 threes they missed .
Our didn't put Monmouth on the ft line as much.
Sorry, pet peeve , there is never only one variable to losing the game.
Don't disagree entirely. Nevertheless, it was the big issue that stood out. Shooting under 50% from the line as a team is awful plus it could be worse if some misses were the front end of one and ones. The standard 70% expectation would have had ND making 12 of 17 and wining by 4 irrespective of anything else. Even a subpar 60% (10/17) gets you into overtime. IMHO, Mike Brey is probably more upset about the FTs than anything else. Making at least a respectable FT percentage is needed especially when your opponent makes over 80%. Most of the other stuff like turnovers, missed in game action shots, etc. is not entirely under your control (only partly) as the other team's defense can and does contribute. Making your FTs, on the other hand, is entirely on you.
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Jon Rothstein says it best:
"Its all fun and games until somebody loses a buy game".
I still remember the home loss to Wagner for Pitt a few years back.
Those are bitter bills to swallow.
"Its all fun and games until somebody loses a buy game".
I still remember the home loss to Wagner for Pitt a few years back.
Those are bitter bills to swallow.
I don't think this was a buy game. It is a Tournament in Orlando.
But yeah, Monmouth would be a buy game type of team for ND to host at home.
My thoughts are Monmouth shouldn't be taken lightly by anyone for the rest of the year. Some day it is going to get through to most fans that there is talent everywhere and if you aren't on top of your game the kids on the other team can beat you.
or making another FG.
Or playing better defense to prevent a monmouth FG.
Or getting a loose ball to gain/retain possession.
It's all under your control as a team, which is the point.
The fixation of FTs is just something that bothers me.
If ND only gets to the line 6 times and makes all 6 (100%), they'd have lost even worse.
UConn outshot Gonzaga at the line today 17-20, 85%, to 7-11, 63.6%. That's all you needed to know.
Or even better yet, in the Pitt women's game tonight ODU didn't miss even one foul shot. Pitt shot 64.3%. And that was all you needed to know.
Only proves they should have won these games by a larger margin if they shot their FTs as they should have. There is more than one way to look at this. We will just have to agree to disagree.
Wait, is foul shooting all we need to know, or is there more than one way to look at it? Because you've now said both of those things, and they are not the same.
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