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Harbaugh gets it. College football is all about recruiting first and foremost.
Disagree, Great Coaching builds a Programs with Great Recruiting. Hoke, Kiffen, and Cooper all had Great Recruiting but did not have the Coaching.

Once a Great Coach builds a Program it is easier to Recruit when a great Coach comes aboard even afterwards.I knew Harbaugh would be great just like his Brother and their Father before them!


This is why Penn State's Franklin has a big problem even if he keeps recruiting in the Top 25 (24th-2014. 15th-2015 and 17th-Current ) using Penn State's Program Great Recruiting Resources!

Franklin has to prove he can out coach Harbaugh, Meyer, and Dantonio and so far he couldn't out coach Hoke and now he is behind all 3 of OSU, Michigan and Michigan State in recruiting too???


Look at O'Brien did at Penn State, he was not allow to have full Recruiting Class, and lost mach Talent that left Penn State in his First Year, but still won more Games than Franklin was able to win or recruit with Full Recruiting Classes???

O'Brien also put his NFL Team in the Playoffs and that shows Great Coaching too!

Even by your standards, if it is all Recruiting, then Franklin is not cutting it with the other Big Ten Programs? Franklin out recruited Northwestern, Maryland, and Illinois the last two years and lost to them in 2014 and this year to NW, and even Temple this year?

If it is all about Recruiting then Franklin is not Winning more Games than O'Brien either???
 
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Disagree, Great Coaching builds a Programs with Great Recruiting. Hoke, Kiffen, and Cooper all had Great Recruiting but did not have the Coaching.

Once a Great Coach builds a Program it is easier to Recruit when a great Coach comes aboard even afterwards.I knew Harbaugh would be great just like his Brother and their Father before them!


This is why Penn State's Franklin has a big problem even if he keeps recruiting in the Top 25 (24th-2014. 15th-2015 and 17th-Current ) using Penn State's Program Great Recruiting Resources!

Franklin has to prove he can out coach Harbaugh, Meyer, and Dantonio and so far he couldn't out coach Hoke and now he is behind all 3 of OSU, Michigan and Michigan State in recruiting too???


Look at O'Brien did at Penn State, he was not allow to have full Recruiting Class, and lost mach Talent that left Penn State in his First Year, but still won more Games than Franklin was able to win or recruit with Full Recruiting Classes???

O'Brien also put his NFL Team in the Playoffs and that shows Great Coaching too!

Even by your standards, if it is all Recruiting, then Franklin is not cutting it with the other Big Ten Programs? Franklin out recruited Northwestern, Maryland, and Illinois the last two years and lost to them in 2014 and this year to NW, and even Temple this year?

If it is all about Recruiting then Franklin is not Winning more Games than O'Brien either???
You do realize that O'Brien had a much older team when he took over...much older. He lost three players of significance that first year but still had a very experienced nucleus. He also lost some horrible games in his tenure...horrible and historic blowouts. Indiana comes to mind. He was solid but don't make him out to be the second coming of Knute Rockne.

Also making the playoffs in that division was a joke. Care to wager if he made the playoffs this year if Andrew Luck played this season?

I fully acknowledge that the jury is out on Franklin but to not acknowledge that the cupboard was a lot more bear when he took over is disengenous.
 
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Disagree, Great Coaching builds a Programs with Great Recruiting. Hoke, Kiffen, and Cooper all had Great Recruiting but did not have the Coaching.

Once a Great Coach builds a Program it is easier to Recruit when a great Coach comes aboard even afterwards.I knew Harbaugh would be great just like his Brother and their Father before them!


This is why Penn State's Franklin has a big problem even if he keeps recruiting in the Top 25 (24th-2014. 15th-2015 and 17th-Current ) using Penn State's Program Great Recruiting Resources!

Franklin has to prove he can out coach Harbaugh, Meyer, and Dantonio and so far he couldn't out coach Hoke and now he is behind all 3 of OSU, Michigan and Michigan State in recruiting too???


Look at O'Brien did at Penn State, he was not allow to have full Recruiting Class, and lost mach Talent that left Penn State in his First Year, but still won more Games than Franklin was able to win or recruit with Full Recruiting Classes???

O'Brien also put his NFL Team in the Playoffs and that shows Great Coaching too!

Even by your standards, if it is all Recruiting, then Franklin is not cutting it with the other Big Ten Programs? Franklin out recruited Northwestern, Maryland, and Illinois the last two years and lost to them in 2014 and this year to NW, and even Temple this year?

If it is all about Recruiting then Franklin is not Winning more Games than O'Brien either???
Please explain how the 24th class of Redshirt FRESHMEN, the 15th ranked class of TRUE FRESHMEN, and the 17th ranked class of HIGH SCHOOL players could possibly make or break a coach. You have repeatedly typed this and have not answered my question once.
 
Here's a general question...how did a thread about Harbaugh being kind of a strange recruiting duck become about Penn State? Captain, maybe you could answer that question and while you're at it, maybe you could tell us why you change almost every thread on this board to be about Penn State?
 
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You just don't get it do you? Harbaugh will continue to recruit well at Michigan because they are a power and he can coach. The two go hand in hand.

If college football was all about recruiting then Ron Zook would have a few national championships right now.

It IS all about recruiting. Great recruiting gives your program a chance to win a national championship. It's impossible to win championships without great talent. Many teams with elite talent and mediocre coaching have won national championships. Nobody wins with great coaching and mediocre talent.
 
Disagree, Great Coaching builds a Programs with Great Recruiting. Hoke, Kiffen, and Cooper all had Great Recruiting but did not have the Coaching.

Once a Great Coach builds a Program it is easier to Recruit when a great Coach comes aboard even afterwards.I knew Harbaugh would be great just like his Brother and their Father before them!


This is why Penn State's Franklin has a big problem even if he keeps recruiting in the Top 25 (24th-2014. 15th-2015 and 17th-Current ) using Penn State's Program Great Recruiting Resources!

Franklin has to prove he can out coach Harbaugh, Meyer, and Dantonio and so far he couldn't out coach Hoke and now he is behind all 3 of OSU, Michigan and Michigan State in recruiting too???


Look at O'Brien did at Penn State, he was not allow to have full Recruiting Class, and lost mach Talent that left Penn State in his First Year, but still won more Games than Franklin was able to win or recruit with Full Recruiting Classes???

O'Brien also put his NFL Team in the Playoffs and that shows Great Coaching too!

Even by your standards, if it is all Recruiting, then Franklin is not cutting it with the other Big Ten Programs? Franklin out recruited Northwestern, Maryland, and Illinois the last two years and lost to them in 2014 and this year to NW, and even Temple this year?

If it is all about Recruiting then Franklin is not Winning more Games than O'Brien either???

The sanctions hurt the program when the lost recruits are supposed to be upperclassman. This is playing out now on the field. Therefore Franklin is getting hit harder by the sanctions than BOB.

If PSU expects and demands that outperform Michigan & tOSU, then yeah, they are probably going to be looking for a new coach in a couple of years. Same thing with Pitt. If you throw in the reqirement that Narduzzi must elevate the program to the level of FSU or Clemson, then it probably won't work out for him either.

Hugh Freeze, Butch Jones, and Dabo could stay on the field with Bama without embarrassing themselves. If Dantonio is such a great coach, why couldn't the Spartans? And trust me, nobody ever accused any of those guys of being great coaches.
 
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The sanctions hurt the program when the lost recruits are supposed to be upperclassman. This is playing out now on the field. Therefore Franklin is getting hit harder by the sanctions than BOB.
You keep saying it, but Bob won with Freshmen and Sophomores and more Walk-Ons like Nassib! Clearly Bob Coaching was superior to what Franklin has shown. Godwin, Barkley, Hackenberg, Hamilton, all have Great talent and better than Bob had! Shoop's Deefnses too! Franklin still has not been better?? Temple has only 2 Star Recruits, Edsall, Hoke and Illinois Coach beat Franklin???

If PSU expects and demands that outperform Michigan & tOSU, then yeah, they are probably going to be looking for a new coach in a couple of years.
Well, I disagree, I am now of the opinion, Penn State will dump Franklin as season as next year or 2017 if he can't win 9 or 10 games? I think Penn State will pull a Michigan. Let Hoke Recruit and then dump his Coaching and bring in someone that win 10 Games with Hoke's Players! Most are predicting 6 to 7 wins again for 2016.I think Franklin will read the writing on the Halo's Murals At Penn State and decide he is can't overcome Saint JoePA and move on as soon another offer can be mustered by his Agent, but this time go after the job! So, we agree maybe a couple of years at best, unless there is a Saint Paul's Revelation of 10 Wins??

Same thing with Pitt. If you throw in the reqirement that Narduzzi must elevate the program to the level of FSU or Clemson, then it probably won't work out for him either.
Neither FSU or Clemson is playing Pitt in the same Division. Pitt will be happy with 8 to 9 games wins every year and get 10 in the ACC Coastal! Narduzzi was already able to elevate Pitt with less Talent than Franklin has at Penn State? Narduzzi has Game Plans, Half-Time Adjustments with No Quit Pitt Player'ss Attitude! Thius after % Coaches in 5 yaers and recruiting Classes that came and went in the Top 40s and Narduzzi & Staff already proved it can coach up its Players! Franklin has not shown any of that at Penn State?

Pitt is a Top 40 Program not a Top 15 like Penn State that has Revenues that can pay Franklin & Staff and Recruiting Advantages, Coaching Clinics, and why more expected and demanded by Penn State!


Hugh Freeze, Butch Jones, and Dabo could stay on the field with Bama without embarrassing themselves.
UTenn is SEC and tougher Conference. Clemson has a Bama Boy as a Coach just like Jackie Sherrill was too! Great Coaching that can can not just Recruit great to, but coach them up?

If Dantonio is such a great coach, why couldn't the Spartans? And trust me, nobody ever accused any of those guys of being great coaches.
Narduzzi took Iowa to a Kick away and that was against a stabilize coaching staff over 17 years old at Iowa, that Paterno had trouble in beating too? Dantonio just enough to beat Ferentz, Harbaugha nd OSu, by a kick, block, and fall into the and end zone too? All Three blew away Franklin that is not in their class at all?

Your problem ios you keep waiting and giving years to Franklin, and I thought he was a Great coach too, but he hasn't proved it in 2 years, and Sanctions are not stopping him, his own coaching is and some of his Best left him too?

Saban Bama's is setting NCAA Records in winning titles and better than any SEC Teams, and SEC Teams are better than Big Ten, ACC, Big-12, and PAC-12!

Franklin lacks the abilities and someday you will see it, and that explain your blindness today! At least I got some Glasses and his coaching is his problem!
 
"Agoodnap, post: 776672, member: 19925"]Please explain how the 24th class of Redshirt FRESHMEN, the 15th ranked class of TRUE FRESHMEN, and the 17th ranked class of HIGH SCHOOL players could possibly make or break a coach. You have repeatedly typed this and have not answered my question once.
First off, you never asked me that question, if you did, post where you did, you can go back and check? So if you did link it?

If I missed it, Ill admit it! But you did not do it many times? I respect your posts and would answer it if I saw it?


ANSWER: Easy, Franklin can't coach them and Franklin can't keep his coaches that could coach them better than him? Go see how many Freshmen and Sophomores started and played at Clemson this year and Walk-Ons too?

Clemson had many Freshmen and Sophomores playing in 2015, with just 3 Seniors on Depth Chart, and he coached them up to be starters, Franklin couldn't? Franklin had more Juniors and Seniors on Offense and 5 Star Big Ten Rookie of the Year at QB from 2013 and RB this year?

PSU's Defense had more older Players too than Clemson? PSU had some Players drafted in 2013, 2014, and now 2015 and did good in the NFL after they left Franklin?

Explain how Northwestern with 61st, 53rd, 68th and 55th Recruiting Classes beat Franklin's Penn State twice???
ANSWER: Coaching!


 
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"TD_istheman, post: 780747, member: 22403"]Pitt fans sometimes are pretty darn dumb, if you don't have very good recruiting classes, you won't be winning a championship. Period
We talk Content here unlike Penn State Posters that call names like you and can't respond like an adult, if you can't do it, then go back to a University that was more Dumb to Dumber in not following all the Rules and Laws to protect their Football over Human Decency!

Penn State after joining the Big Ten can't win a Championship PERIOD and that was under Paterno that had no control over him nor put better Alumni Players in the NFL!

Even the Recruits Penn state does get, can't seem to turn that success into NFL record Books as Miami, Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Texas, Ohio State and PITT, Period?
 
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Captain, You STILL don't think Kiffin can coach?
He did a horrible job at USC is all I know, and USC did a bad job in hiring him, and I like and know Pat Haden, going back to the 1980s, but one job that is one of the Best to have in CFB is USC!

Foge Fazio was Great Coach, Person and DC but not a Great Head Coach, Kiffen is neither of those above, and he will have to prove it someday again when he gets a Head Coaching job. Clemson lost on Two Special Teams plays to Bama and wasn't beaten by Bama's Offense?

Maybe Penn State should give Kiffen a try, so he can hire his Brother and Father again? Do not care for Sarkasian or even Clay too. Pat Haden is great Rhoads Scholar but USC is Carroll Shy in hiring someone that has Program as good Bama! USC needs to find their Saban, Bear, Mckay, Carroll?
 
Oh boy-a comment from a Spartie fan. Gee, I thought I was reading something from State College.
You must not have actually gone to Michigan-Ann Arbor. Most of the UM grads I know are pretty good with their reading comp, and would have recognized this post as a straight up compliment to Harbaugh, who I think is doing a helluva job coaching and recruiting so far. Merely pointing out that these gimmicky things he;s doing are generating tons of publicity and social media chatter. He's working social media like a pop star.
 
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Captain, You STILL don't think Kiffin can coach?
Can he coach an offense? His track record says yes he can. Can he run a football program as a head coach? His track record says he can't.

I personally can't stand the guy, but beyond that, he has been an abject flop as a head coach--that;s why he's OC at Bama right now.
 
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Can he coach an offense? His track record says yes he can. Can he run a football program as a head coach? His track record says he can't.

I personally can't stand the guy, but beyond that, he has been an abject flop as a head coach--that;s why he's OC at Bama right now.
And some PSU Posters wonder or are confused about why there is even less confidence in Franklin winning any Championships at Penn State?
 
Can he coach an offense? His track record says yes he can. Can he run a football program as a head coach? His track record says he can't.

I personally can't stand the guy, but beyond that, he has been an abject flop as a head coach--that;s why he's OC at Bama right now.

I totally disagree. To say he can't based on the fact he was fired at USC is very lazy analysis. If you look at his two stops carefully and go in depth about the situations he inherited, his work as a HC is very solid.
 
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"TD_6082, post: 786187, member: 510"]I totally disagree. To say he can't based on the fact he was fired at USC is very lazy analysis.
No it isn't, Clemson Young Defense had BAMA OL's beaten and Henry too all game long, the miscommunications in the Defensive Backfield left 3 passes wide open, not Kiffen's Coaching? You just have Lazy Eyes!

Same before last year when Urban Meyer's beat Bama's Kiffen's Offense! Kiffen's behavior at UTenn was just as bad as his Coaching at USC!I saw it first hand at USC when Coach Leach came in with far less talent and his WSU Cougers beat USC Trojans showing the difference between Great Head Coaching and Mediocre Coaching. USC fired Kiffen after the ASU game right at the Airport even before he flew back to USC!


If you look at his two stops carefully and go in depth about the situations he inherited, his work as a HC is very solid.
Well, if you were correct he would still there or somewhere else, would he not??? He is good OC but not a Great Head Coach! Saban coaches up his Players on the Sidelines as they come off the field Dabo too? Now that is Great Head Coaching!
 
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"TD_6082, post: 786187, member: 510"]I totally disagree. To say he can't based on the fact he was fired at USC is very lazy analysis.
No it isn't, Clemson Young Defense had BAMA OL's beaten and Henry too all game long, the miscommunications in the Defensive Backfield left 3 passes wide open, not Kiffen's Coaching? You just have Lazy Eyes!

Same before last year when Urban Meyer's beat Bama's Kiffen's Offense! Kiffen's behavior at UTenn was just as bad as his Coaching at USC!I saw it first hand at USC when Coach Leach came in with far less talent and his WSU Cougers beat USC Trojans showing the difference between Great Head Coaching and Mediocre Coaching. USC fired Kiffen after the ASU game right at the Airport even before he flew back to USC!


If you look at his two stops carefully and go in depth about the situations he inherited, his work as a HC is very solid.
Well, if you were correct he would still there or somewhere else, would he not??? He is good OC but not a Great Head Coach! Saban coaches up his Players on the Sidelines as they come off the field Dabo too? Now that is Great Head Coaching!

Clemson had Bama's OL and Henry beaten? What game were you watching? Henry had 158 yards rushing and 3 TDs! Bama put up 38 points and another 440 yards on your boy Dantonio. They went the entire postseason without a turnover and Jake Coker actually looked like a decent QB.

He will be a HC again soon at some lucky school. In the meantime, he can work on getting another ring and improve on this current Bama recruiting class.
 
Here's a general question...how did a thread about Harbaugh being kind of a strange recruiting duck become about Penn State? Captain, maybe you could answer that question and while you're at it, maybe you could tell us why you change almost every thread on this board to be about Penn State?
Because BWI kicked him out years ago. He then came to the Lair in a hissy fit....Gridiron Sage......has called poster family names....whore??? Probably has no friends. Thinks capitalizing letters is....dramatic. Have a nice day.
 
Harbaugh is a great coach no denying that.....but it seems likes this is a guy that burns himself out after 4 or 5 years in one place......

I don't see him being a lifer at Michigan to be honest, he'll coach somewhere else..

badby thoughts?
 
You just don't get it do you? Harbaugh will continue to recruit well at Michigan because they are a power and he can coach. The two go hand in hand.

If college football was all about recruiting then Ron Zook would have a few national championships right now.

the guy is crazy--like a fox. And it's working. He definitely subscribes to the "there's no such thing as bad publicity" mantra. I have never seen social media exploited in recruiting to the level he and his staff have used it:

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c...augh-climbs-tree-california-recruit/78993216/

Harbaugh is a great recruiter with an excellent product to sell. But he is subject to the numbers "25" and "85" just like everyone else. Why does that matter? Because it can be very difficult at times to predict how 17 and 18 yr. olds will develop (physically, academically, socially) over the next 1 to 5 years. So even when getting blue chip recruits there is not a guarantee (see the Texas Longhorns over the last several years as a very good example of this). So he'll have to choose and be able to select the right ones from all of those good players that want to play for him.

If this were the "old days" (pre-1973) - back before there were any scholarship limits other than what a school self-imposed due to their own scholarship budget restrictions - a guy like Harbaugh would be even tougher to deal with than he is now. Back then, a school could cast a wide net: recruit a bunch and then discard in future years as they saw fit. A commonly used strategy was to take guys just so the competition couldn't. If a good player was languishing on your bench behind an even better one, that meant that good player wasn't going to be playing against you. I can remember ND having as many as 7,8 or 9 scholarship QB's on their roster. Plus, there was no internet or social media so recruits had a much harder time finding out what other guys were being recruited or already committed to schools that were recruiting them; often times until after they had signed and then they were stuck.

So yes, Harbaugh will get a lot of POTENTIALLY excellent players based off of their high school projections and ratings. But the 25/85 limits will serve to cap his effectiveness at least somewhat. He'll likely have Michigan in the top 3 with tOSU and MSU in the B1G east division almost every year. But he can't take them ALL. Even if they all wanted to sign with him. Nobody can. So Jim will need to make certain he takes the RIGHT guys every year with the 'ships he has available to give. That will be the ultimate determining factor: how many of those guys will turn out to be what was expected; and how many won't. Mack Brown knows.
 
Harbaugh is a great coach no denying that.....but it seems likes this is a guy that burns himself out after 4 or 5 years in one place......

I don't see him being a lifer at Michigan to be honest, he'll coach somewhere else..

badby thoughts?
Happy to share some thoughts on that for what they are worth. That whole nomad thing comes up a lot with Harbaugh, but I honestly don't think there';s anything to it. I don't think he has any burning desire to return to the NFL. He is being paid handsomely, he gets to hire who he wants, recruit who he wants to, do what he wants, he has more or less an open checkbook and the keys not only to the City of Ann Arbor but the State of Michigan, and he is absolutely beloved here in Michigan. It is the most perfect fit imaginable between coach and school. I also don't think many people realize how much he loves U. of Michigan and how much he has always bled maize and blue. He seems to be having a lot of fun, which was far from the case while he was in the NFL. He shows up at various student functions randomly and unannounced, poses for pictures with kids all the time (my buddy texted me a pic of his daughter and her friends posing with Harbaugh at her commencement in the spring--he was just there of his own accord in street clothes mingling with the students), and is just generally enjoying himself. Hell he was invited to and attended the President's State of the Union address the other day and was treated like a celebrity there.

Apart from my own MAC alma mater, I support two teams in this order--Pitt and Michigan State--so I'd just as soon see Harbaugh move along and leave the UM program to a lesser coach. But I honestly don't think that's going to happen. He also realizes that if he stays long term and does what most believe he will do at Michigan, he will enjoy the same legendary status that his coach, Bo Schembecler has. Honestly, to have Michigan and Ohio State strong again, with two elite-level, celebrity status coaches is not only good for the two schools and the Big 10, but is good for college football in general. And as long as Dantonio coaches at MSU, they will be in the mix most years as well.
 
Happy to share some thoughts on that for what they are worth. That whole nomad thing comes up a lot with Harbaugh, but I honestly don't think there';s anything to it. I don't think he has any burning desire to return to the NFL. He is being paid handsomely, he gets to hire who he wants, recruit who he wants to, do what he wants, he has more or less an open checkbook and the keys not only to the City of Ann Arbor but the State of Michigan, and he is absolutely beloved here in Michigan. It is the most perfect fit imaginable between coach and school. I also don't think many people realize how much he loves U. of Michigan and how much he has always bled maize and blue. He seems to be having a lot of fun, which was far from the case while he was in the NFL. He shows up at various student functions randomly and unannounced, poses for pictures with kids all the time (my buddy texted me a pic of his daughter and her friends posing with Harbaugh at her commencement in the spring--he was just there of his own accord in street clothes mingling with the students), and is just generally enjoying himself. Hell he was invited to and attended the President's State of the Union address the other day and was treated like a celebrity there.

Apart from my own MAC alma mater, I support two teams in this order--Pitt and Michigan State--so I'd just as soon see Harbaugh move along and leave the UM program to a lesser coach. But I honestly don't think that's going to happen. He also realizes that if he stays long term and does what most believe he will do at Michigan, he will enjoy the same legendary status that his coach, Bo Schembecler has. Honestly, to have Michigan and Ohio State strong again, with two elite-level, celebrity status coaches is not only good for the two schools and the Big 10, but is good for college football in general. And as long as Dantonio coaches at MSU, they will be in the mix most years as well.
You have given an excellent description of the feelings in the state of Michigan regarding Jim Harbaugh. You and I know that Bo's last name is spelled Schembechler.
 
Because BWI kicked him out years ago. He then came to the Lair in a hissy fit....Gridiron Sage......has called poster family names....whore??? Probably has no friends. Thinks capitalizing letters is....dramatic. Have a nice day.
Correct. Worst poster on the site and not really a Pitt fan.
 
TD_6082, post: 788022, member: 510"]Clemson had Bama's OL and Henry beaten? What game were you watching? Henry had 158 yards rushing and 3 TDs!
He had one big run for 50 Yards on 36 Carries?
Clemson's Offense had more Yards Rushing and Receiving than Kiffen's Bama? It was the Onside Kick and TD Run Back that was the difference in the game and score? What were drunk? Bleary or Lazy Eyes Eyes, does not matter!


Bama put up 38 points and another 440 yards on your boy Dantonio.
My Boy is not Dantonio? We are talking Clemson! Ohio State had no problem with Bama either in 2014!

They went the entire postseason without a turnover and Jake Coker actually looked like a decent QB.
Yeah, Right, a Clemson Freshmen DB misses three passes assignments, and you praise Coker??? Clemson QB had more Yardage there too and more TDS! Again, the difference was Special Teams!

He will be a HC again soon at some lucky school.
Good let us know where and when? Theer were over 20 Openings this year alone! None took Kiffen?

In the meantime, he can work on getting another ring and improve on this current Bama recruiting class.
On a "Saban Team"that was winning Rings before Kiffen came and was fired at USC?
 
He did a horrible job at USC is all I know, and USC did a bad job in hiring him, and I like and know Pat Haden, going back to the 1980s, but one job that is one of the Best to have in CFB is USC!

Foge Fazio was Great Coach, Person and DC but not a Great Head Coach, Kiffen is neither of those above, and he will have to prove it someday again when he gets a Head Coaching job. Clemson lost on Two Special Teams plays to Bama and wasn't beaten by Bama's Offense?

Maybe Penn State should give Kiffen a try, so he can hire his Brother and Father again? Do not care for Sarkasian or even Clay too. Pat Haden
is great Rhoads Scholar but USC is Carroll Shy in hiring someone that has Program as good Bama! USC needs to find their Saban, Bear, Mckay, Carroll?

Totally disagree. For a guy that lost 30 scholarships over 3 years, it would be hard to do much better. The only part where he failed was with a couple of the off field issues like the Sun Bowl debacle. I'm sorry, but no coach can win at a high level with those type of restrictions. Nobody.
 
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"TD_6082, post: 792347, member: 510"]Totally disagree. For a guy that lost 30 scholarships over 3 years, it would be hard to do much better.
USC still had plenty of 4 & 5 Star Recruits and Players and like Penn State with O'Brien did not have a losing season!

The only part where he failed was with a couple of the off field issues like the Sun Bowl debacle. I'm sorry, but no coach can win at a high level with those type of restrictions. Nobody.
If Kiffen is so good he should be a Head Coach again, like I said, we can agree to disagree, and maybe Kiffen has learned from his previous mistakes at UTenn and USC! We shall see when he gets a new gig! So far, no takers? A Good OC I agree, a Good Head Coach not yet!
 
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