Narduzzi Tenure

[the_insider_]

Best wins:

Clemson
Penn State
UCF

Worst losses:

Boston College
UNC 2017 and 2018
Stanford

Most disappointing losses:

Iowa
Oklahoma St 2016
Penn State 2019

Toughest losses to take:

UNC 2016
VT 2016
Notre Dame 2018
Miami 2019

 

[Usuallyunusual-partdeux]

Best wins:

Clemson
Penn State
UCF

Worst losses:

Boston College
UNC 2017 and 2018
Stanford

Most disappointing losses:

Iowa
Oklahoma St 2016
Penn State 2019

Toughest losses to take:

UNC 2016
VT 2016
Notre Dame 2018
Miami 2019

To tell you the truth I thought the win in VA in 2018 was really impressive. That's when I really started to believe they could win the coastal.

 

[Usuallyunusual-partdeux]

To tell you the truth I thought the win in VA in 2018 was really impressive. That's when I really started to believe they could win the coastal.

VT beat down of 2018 also deserves mentioned.

 

[the_insider_]

To tell you the truth I thought the win in VA in 2018 was really impressive. That's when I really started to believe they could win the coastal.

I looked at that game and really though about putting it in... Also considered putting in UVA 2019 for most disappointing.

 

[pitt-girl]

Best wins:

Clemson
Penn State
UCF

Worst losses:

Boston College
UNC 2017 and 2018
Stanford

Most disappointing losses:

Iowa
Oklahoma St 2016
Penn State 2019

Toughest losses to take:

UNC 2016
VT 2016
Notre Dame 2018
Miami 2019

Seems a little heavy on the "losses" categories.....

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Seems a little heavy on the "losses" categories.....

Surprise surprise

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Best wins:

Clemson
Penn State
UCF

Worst losses:

Boston College
UNC 2017 and 2018
Stanford

Most disappointing losses:

Iowa
Oklahoma St 2016
Penn State 2019

Toughest losses to take:

UNC 2016
VT 2016
Notre Dame 2018
Miami 2019

You are fixated on the losses but fail to mention the only 2 that really matter and that was the first 2 bowl losses which both cost a chance at 9 win seasons and a final top 25 ranking.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

The loss at VT last year still gives me nightmares!

 

[daytonpanther]

Northwestern and Stanford losses were tragic.

 

[cashisking884]

You are fixated on the losses but fail to mention the only 2 that really matter and that was the first 2 bowl losses which both cost a chance at 9 win seasons and a final top 25 ranking.

I disagree. I couldn’t care less about bowl wins and losses, unless it’s in a major bowl game.
Bowl games are fun but meaningless. Regular season wins and losses are what matters, and so should be what constitutes the best and worst.

 

[cashisking884]

2016 is what would dominate the worst losses categories for me.
All the analytics said we were a legit Top 25 team that year. Top 5 offense. And yet, all we have to show for it is a 5 loss season. That was the first sign to me that Narduzzi just isn’t the guy that was going to take the program to another tier.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

..... must continue for several more years as Pitt needs to stop firing coaches.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

Best wins:

Clemson
Penn State
UCF

Worst losses:

Boston College
UNC 2017 and 2018
Stanford

Most disappointing losses:

Iowa
Oklahoma St 2016
Penn State 2019

Toughest losses to take:

UNC 2016
VT 2016
Notre Dame 2018
Miami 2019

Might wanna add beating unbeaten #2 Miami (10-0) to best wins. Kind of an egregious omission. Syracuse (10-3) in 2018 was also an impressive win. Destroying VT to essentially wrap up the Coastal was also impressive that season.

 

[pierre93]

..... must continue for several more years as Pitt needs to stop firing coaches.

Yeah I tend to agree with this. I haven't been thrilled with PN at times but just when you start to write him off he surprises with a huge upset. H2P!

 

[jivecat]

The BC loss at the end of last year was absolutely puzzling to me. I am still bitter.

 

[pittdan77]

Pretty sure the OP has done this thread before. Pitt will stick with Narduzzi unless he completely flames out. The program has a top 10 or better defense. The offense needs work but for as terrible as it was last year, the program has high expectations this fall.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

The BC loss at the end of last year was absolutely puzzling to me. I am still bitter.

Yes. That was easily the worst loss last season for me too.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

I disagree. I couldn’t care less about bowl wins and losses, unless it’s in a major bowl game.
Bowl games are fun but meaningless. Regular season wins and losses are what matters, and so should be what constitutes the best and worst.

Most bowl games are meaningless. Sun Bowl, that Detroit one last year. But as I posted above, those two bowl games definitely had meaning. Would have meant the first seasons with more than 8 victories since the mythical 2009 Wannstedt season. And it would have meant a top 25 final ranking, also the first since 2009. So there is no way to call those games meaningless, and aside from the Wake game two years ago to clinch the Coastal (and maybe the first PSU game in 2016) those were the most meaningful games in the Narduzzi era.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

The BC loss at the end of last year was absolutely puzzling to me. I am still bitter.

agree, ranks with some of the duds Chryst or Wanny turned in.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

agree, ranks with some of the duds Chryst or Wanny turned in.

Miami hurt last season too but at least they have talent and racked up some impressive Ws v other opponents last season other than Pitt. BC just stung.

 

[PittMiamiRivalry]

I disagree. I couldn’t care less about bowl wins and losses, unless it’s in a major bowl game.
Bowl games are fun but meaningless. Regular season wins and losses are what matters, and so should be what constitutes the best and worst.

I disagree in part. Yes, 2019 bowl win against Eastern Michigan was hardly impressive and didn't get his team ranked. Bowl wins are important especially if it brings and ninth or tenth win. In Narduzzi's case, if he had won in 2015 and 2016 he may have ended the season with his team ranked. 9-4 is what Harris had in 2003 and what Wannstedt would have had in 2008 if he had won the Sun Bowl. In 2018 the record was too poor to get a ranking at 8-5 and last year's team didn't get the national respect after beating a lowly MAC team and finished with an 8-5 record.

Narduzzi needs to win bowl games. But he can't fart away games like he does every season.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Miami hurt last season too but at least they have talent and racked up some impressive Ws v other opponents last season other than Pitt. BC just stung.

yeah, BC with a coach who was fired the next day. That was as bad as the Wann's loss to Bowling Green or Chryst losing to Akron (who also fired their coaches at the end of that season).

But every coach/program seems to have a WTF loss. But if the frequency starts to increase, then there is cause for concern. I would say the WTF moments for Narduzzi were the Sun Bowl loss to Stanford (that game was absolutely there for the taking) and BC. Getting blown out by VaTech last year was bad, but it was legendary Bud Foster's last home game so of course they pitch a shut out so I can't quite call it a WTF game.

This year (assuming it happens in some type of normal fashion) has to be the year with no puzzling defeats. I know it can happen anytime and is not predictable, but really need a year where everything comes together.

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

If Pitt had an elite coach (and never will $$$$) the WTF losses would rarely occur, if not, ever. But decent coaches like Narduzzi, Wannstedt, Walt and Gottfried will have them. In Narduzzi's case, he has at least avoided losses to YSU, Delaware or MAC teams. Some have been real close, but winning them and moving on is all that matters.

That BC game was lost with the drops and the four turnovers.

 

[jivecat]

If Pitt had an elite coach (and never will $$$$) the WTF losses would rarely occur, if not, ever. But decent coaches like Narduzzi, Wannstedt, Walt and Gottfried will have them. In Narduzzi's case, he has at least avoided losses to YSU, Delaware or MAC teams. Some have been real close, but winning them and moving on is all that matters.

That BC game was lost with the drops and the four turnovers.

Agreed....Narduzzi will lose a close game but I never worry about the "MAC" type losses with him.

 

[pierre93]

If Pitt had an elite coach (and never will $$$$) the WTF losses would rarely occur, if not, ever. But decent coaches like Narduzzi, Wannstedt, Walt and Gottfried will have them. In Narduzzi's case, he has at least avoided losses to YSU, Delaware or MAC teams. Some have been real close, but winning them and moving on is all that matters.

That BC game was lost with the drops and the four turnovers.

Totally agree and from what I've heard the administration is content with 7-10 wins in football but they're expecting a top 15 program in basketball very soon. So yeah keep PN around since it can be alot worse. H2P!

 

[pierre93]

The BC loss at the end of last year was absolutely puzzling to me. I am still bitter.

After preparing for all those spread offenses etc BC comes in and plays smashmouth football. PN even said they weren't prepared. I was glad to get the bowl win and think every bowl game is important not just for perception but to instill confidence to the players and a boost for the following year. H2P!

 

[RaleighPittFan]

Pretty sure the OP has done this thread before. Pitt will stick with Narduzzi unless he completely flames out. The program has a top 10 or better defense. The offense needs work but for as terrible as it was last year, the program has high expectations this fall.

The OP has had numerous posts that are spun to make Pitt and or Narduzzi look as bad as possible.

 

[pitt-girl]

The OP has had numerous posts that are spun to make Pitt and or Narduzzi look as bad as possible.

Hahaha - should have figured that out - let's talk about Narduzzi's tenure - here's 1 positive and 3 negatives.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Hahaha - should have figured that out - let's talk about Narduzzi's tenure - here's 1 positive and 3 negatives.

Well -
When it’s literally the definition of mediocre
It’s hard to argue otherwise .

 

[FireballZ]

2016 is what would dominate the worst losses categories for me.
All the analytics said we were a legit Top 25 team that year. Top 5 offense. And yet, all we have to show for it is a 5 loss season. That was the first sign to me that Narduzzi just isn’t the guy that was going to take the program to another tier.

Want to know the easiest way to spot trolls on this board? They often use the term “we”. Tell me, what role do you play within the Pitt program?

Please try harder.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Totally agree and from what I've heard the administration is content with 7-10 wins in football but they're expecting a top 15 program in basketball very soon. So yeah keep PN around since it can be alot worse. H2P!

“Content” with 7-10 wins in football. He would be one of the 3 best football coaches we ever had over the last 80 years if that happens.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

“Content” with 7-10 wins in football. He would be one of the 3 best football coaches we ever had over the last 80 years if that happens.

There are people on this board who consider a guy who won 42 games in 6 seasons to be a minor deity.

 

[the_insider_]

Seems a little heavy on the "losses" categories.....

It definitely is. I probably could and should've added a "quality win" column that consisted of UVA 2018, VT 2018, UNC 2019 just off the top of my head.

 

[the_insider_]

You are fixated on the losses but fail to mention the only 2 that really matter and that was the first 2 bowl losses which both cost a chance at 9 win seasons and a final top 25 ranking.

Narduzzi's first two bowl games were tough. Really all of them have been. But having back to back 9 win seasons would've helped with recruiting so much. Narduzzi is recruiting very well and it would've been even better. Even Narduzzi's entire first year most of the losses except ND were frustrating because they were all winnable games and it could have been a really great season for them.

 

[the_insider_]

2016 is what would dominate the worst losses categories for me.
All the analytics said we were a legit Top 25 team that year. Top 5 offense. And yet, all we have to show for it is a 5 loss season. That was the first sign to me that Narduzzi just isn’t the guy that was going to take the program to another tier.

I definitely think he's the guy. Pitt cannot just keep running through coaches. He's built an elite defense and I think it's here to stay. I don't think it'll be as good as this potential 2020 defense every year, but it won't be like the 2016 and 2017 defenses.

As long as he's able to retain OCs for 3-5 years consistently he'll keep Pitt in a good spot.

 

[the_insider_]

Might wanna add beating unbeaten #2 Miami (10-0) to best wins. Kind of an egregious omission. Syracuse (10-3) in 2018 was also an impressive win. Destroying VT to essentially wrap up the Coastal was also impressive that season.

I completely forgot about Miami and, embarrassingly enough, was just talking about this game, but it should definitely be in. 10-3 Syracuse was good, but also played a joke of a schedule that year to help them greatly. I should've added in a "quality win" column and VT 2018 would've definitely been in it.

 

[the_insider_]

The BC loss at the end of last year was absolutely puzzling to me. I am still bitter.

IMO it's Narduzzi's worst loss.

 

[the_insider_]

Pretty sure the OP has done this thread before. Pitt will stick with Narduzzi unless he completely flames out. The program has a top 10 or better defense. The offense needs work but for as terrible as it was last year, the program has high expectations this fall.

I've done similar breakdowns of different elements of Narduzzi's tenure. Last one compared him to Chryst. I think he's done a good job. Could be worse given the OOC he's played, but could be a lot better if he played a "normal" P5 OOC.

 

[the_insider_]

The OP has had numerous posts that are spun to make Pitt and or Narduzzi look as bad as possible.

That is patently false....

 

[the_insider_]

Hahaha - should have figured that out - let's talk about Narduzzi's tenure - here's 1 positive and 3 negatives.

I'm actually a huge Narduzzi advocate. I would say almost any fan base is going to include more in terms they think they should've won or were pissed they lost instead of including wins because they're expecting them.