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Nate the Great

1:45, 2TO, ball in + territory.

What a dumb throw. He’s shown he has very little route depth perception in this offense.

His first INT was a Go ball but problem was it was under thrown and into double coverage.

He protects the ball, we win. No doubt.

We’re all seeing why he wasn’t QB1 coming out of camp. Unfortunately he had to prove it in a L
 
1:45, 2TO, ball in + territory.

What a dumb throw. He’s shown he has very little route depth perception in this offense.

His first INT was a Go ball but problem was it was under thrown and into double coverage.

He protects the ball, we win. No doubt.

We’re all seeing why he wasn’t QB1 coming out of camp. Unfortunately he had to prove it in a L

Just rewatched. As bad a throw and decision in that moment, only 2nd Down, as you can have. Just terrible. If its me, I dink and dunk another 20 yards and then you are throwing in the endzone for the win. Didnt need it all at once.
 
First interception was a horrible play design. It wasn't that he didn't see a safety; the guy who picked the ball off actually came off his man, because we had two guys running to basically the same area. Probably would have hit it if he threw it earlier, but it was a dumb design.

Second interception was just a Yarnell Special. As was pointed out last year, he throws dangerous passes in the middle of the field. He often layers them in perfectly and gets away with it, but I questioned how sustainable that is, given the degree of difficulty of them. I got my answer last night.

Still, Holstein has been dodging the law of averages all season. He throws a ton of passes that should be picked and aren't. Look at his adjusted turnover ratio. It sucks.

Yarnell is more decisive and throws a better ball. And he actually wasn't moving too poorly last night. All in all, pick your poison. Cause neither of them are all that good.
 
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Honestly, this misses the point. Our QB play has been wretched. If you're saying "Nate isn't the answer!" as a counter to those of us who wanted Holstein benched, you're just asking the wrong question. This game had a zero chance of being a Pitt win before Holstein went down because he just sucks. He may have had 2 or 3 great quarters quarters of ball against quality opponents in September or in HS but we're in a different universe now.

He's young and can develop but if the plan was to win last night and or salvage a good season, the answer was in fact to see what the guy who looked good in mop up duty and in camp could do.

Now we know the lay of the land. This will be another disappointing season. There is no answer at QB. They stink. Go with Holstein in hopes that he improves with experience ala Pickett. There are no longer any stakes in these remaining games. He's got 5 games to show he's worth future investment. Its 2024. CFB has changed. Right now it's even odds that Pitt tries to replace him with another transfer in the off-season.
 
First interception was a horrible play design. It wasn't that he didn't see a safety; the guy who picked the ball off actually came off his man, because we had two guys running to basically the same area. Probably would have hit it if he threw it earlier, but it was a dumb design.


There are times to throw a balloon ball to your receiver. When you are throwing 40 yards down the middle of the field to a receiver who isn't running free behind the defense is not that time. The ball wasn't even half way to the receiver when I started saying "that's going to get picked".

He needed to throw that ball hard on a line. I am not sure he has that in him.
 
There are times to throw a balloon ball to your receiver. When you are throwing 40 yards down the middle of the field to a receiver who isn't running free behind the defense is not that time. The ball wasn't even half way to the receiver when I started saying "that's going to get picked".

He needed to throw that ball hard on a line. I am not sure he has that in him.

I don't think he does. There's an noticable difference in velocity between Eli & Nate on simple out routes
 
First interception was a horrible play design. It wasn't that he didn't see a safety; the guy who picked the ball off actually came off his man, because we had two guys running to basically the same area. Probably would have hit it if he threw it earlier, but it was a dumb design.

Second interception was just a Yarnell Special. As was pointed out last year, he throws dangerous passes in the middle of the field. He often layers them in perfectly and gets away with it, but I questioned how sustainable that is, given the degree of difficulty of them. I got my answer last night.

Still, Holstein has been dodging the law of averages all season. He throws a ton of passes that should be picked and aren't. Look at his adjusted turnover ratio. It sucks.

Yarnell is more decisive and throws a better ball. And he actually wasn't moving too poorly last night. All in all, pick your poison. Cause neither of them are all that good.

Eli is just a freshman though. He still has a huge upside.
 
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I don't think he does. There's an noticable difference in velocity between Eli & Nate on simple out routes
Leaving Yarnell out of it, if you’re seeing good arm strength and zip out of Eli, I’m not sure what kind of lenses you’re looking through. His out throws are marshmallows. There’s no zip on any of his throws. He’s constantly short arming intermediate throws and bouncing them at his receivers’ feet.
 
1:45, 2TO, ball in + territory.

What a dumb throw. He’s shown he has very little route depth perception in this offense.

His first INT was a Go ball but problem was it was under thrown and into double coverage.

He protects the ball, we win. No doubt.

We’re all seeing why he wasn’t QB1 coming out of camp. Unfortunately he had to prove it in a L
I don’t think anyone would argue with a straight face that Yarnell should be QB1. But just for some perspective, Yarnell came in cold and led the offense on exactly the same number of TD drives that Eli did, with far fewer snaps in the game and no first team practice reps. Eli was gifted a FG via a turnover (3 play drive for -4 yards before it was kicked) and led a modest 24 yard FG drive. The picks were the big difference, but Eli was just as capable of turning the ball over as Yarnell, most of his throws before he got hurt were way off target.

Long way of saying we’re far from OK at QB.
 
Leaving Yarnell out of it, if you’re seeing good arm strength and zip out of Eli, I’m not sure what kind of lenses you’re looking through. His out throws are marshmallows. There’s no zip on any of his throws. He’s constantly short arming intermediate throws and bouncing them at his receivers’ feet.
That's inaccurate. It's partly true, but you are making an overgeneralized statement here. Eli has been wildly inconsistent in terms of zip, velocity etc. If that pass on the sideline to Barth been short aimed, it would have been picked. There are plenty of other examples. Arm strength is there at times, other times it's not. I think it's more of a head issue more than an arm issue. Coaches that see him every day should know what the issue is. It's possible it's something we don't know.
 
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That's inaccurate. It's partly true, but you are making an overgeneralized statement here. Eli has been wildly inconsistent in terms of zip, velocity etc. If that pass on the sideline to Barth been short aimed, it would have been picked. There are plenty of other examples. Arm strength is there at times, other times it's not. I think it's more of a head issue more than an arm issue. Coaches that see him every day should know what the issue is. It's possible it's something we don't know.
Well one thing I’ve seen watching him is his footwork is terrible even when he’s not pressured, which certainly doesn’t help his ability to get some zip on his throws. But I haven’t seen anything impressive about his arm at all. Velocity, accuracy, placement, etc-generally appears to be subpar in all areas. Occasionally puts some nice touch on certain throws, which his good. But for a big framed kid, I’d expect to see a stronger throwing arm.
 
First interception was a horrible play design. It wasn't that he didn't see a safety; the guy who picked the ball off actually came off his man, because we had two guys running to basically the same area. Probably would have hit it if he threw it earlier, but it was a dumb design.
UVA was in Tampa 2.

It wasn't a "poor" design. Was it the best call? That's debatable.

Instead, it was poor execution.

#5 has to widen stem in order to get the post in order for this work.

Yarnell is reading MOF open. He's got a vertical up the left sideline which should hold that safety. If #5 widens his stem, he can make it very hard for that safety to come off the opposite vertical and make it a true 1 on 1 route.
 
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UVA was in Tampa 2.

It wasn't a "poor" design. Was it the best call? That's debatable.

Instead, it was poor execution.

#5 has to widen stem in order to get the post in order for this work.

Yarnell is reading MOF open. He's got a vertical up the left sideline which should hold that safety. If #5 widens his stem, he can make it very hard for that safety to come off the opposite vertical and make it a true 1 on 1 route.

That's fair. Whether design or execution, the other DB was brought directly to the ball. I sit in the end zone, so I saw exactly what Nate saw. My eyes lit up for a second also.
 
UVA was in Tampa 2.

It wasn't a "poor" design. Was it the best call? That's debatable.

Instead, it was poor execution.

#5 has to widen stem in order to get the post in order for this work.

Yarnell is reading MOF open. He's got a vertical up the left sideline which should hold that safety. If #5 widens his stem, he can make it very hard for that safety to come off the opposite vertical and make it a true 1 on 1 route.
#5 had a pretty rough game all the way around.
 
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