National Champ Will Be?

[Pittx9]

Only way to make conference championships matter is to expand the playoffs and auto bids for P5 champs. As it is now, they just have to come up with the 4 best teams. There was just no way anyone could make a case for an osu team that got humiliated in Iowa city over bama. Bama clearly deserved it, but one thing I will say is it's very hard for the committee to leave out history. It may have made their decision tougher if an 11-1 non-conference champ didn't have the run of success bama did. Had to be going through the back of their minds that bama would not disappoint, osu ran the risk of embarrassing them.

 

[Pitt79]

Bama over Clemson
Georgia over Oklahoma

Bama over Georgia

Robert Foster gets another ring he can sell later.

UCF

 

[Pitt79]

... they just have to come up with the 4 best teams. ...There was just no way anyone could make a case ... it's very hard for the committee to leave out history. It may have made their decision tougher if an 11-1 non-conference champ didn't have the run of success bama did. .. ..

A committee shouldn't try to "make a case" for who's "subjectively best" and include "history" from before this season, the majority of playoff spots should be determined simply and objectively be being MANDATED to go to winners of certain divisions, leagues, games, no matter their history, perceived strength or BS like an "eye test".

 

[Sarge25]

Clemson vs Auburn
Oklahoma vs Wisconsin
Georgia vs Alabama
OSU vs USC

This would have been my 8 team playoff. 5 champs + top 3 rankings. Division winners get higher seeds. Sorry PSU and UCF.

 

[Pitt79]

Clemson vs Auburn
Oklahoma vs Wisconsin
Georgia vs Alabama
OSU vs USC

This would have been my 8 team playoff. 5 champs + top 3 rankings. Division winners get higher seeds. Sorry PSU and UCF.

I'd make it mandatory to take the best G5 team, if not, then just eliminate them from FBS, since they can never, ever play for a championship for the rest of history. You can't even be sure in any way that UCF isn't better than some of these teams? They've beaten Auburn, who says they aren't better than some of these others? They are just eliminated based on your preconceived notions.

 

[Sarge25]

I'd make it mandatory to take the best G5 team, if not, then just eliminate them from FBS, since they can never, ever play for a championship for the rest of history. You can't even be sure in any way that UCF isn't better than some of these teams? They've beaten Auburn, who says they aren't better than some of these others? They are just eliminated based on your preconceived notions.

I’d eliminate them. 5 16 team conferences and the rest drop. Play nothing but conference games. Make it like Soccer where the bottom 5 teams drop and top 5 from the lower league come up. Make it so shitty teams can’t just continue to suck and pull in fat checks due to marriage with a conference.

 

[Ronnyp91]

I'd make it mandatory to take the best G5 team, if not, then just eliminate them from FBS, since they can never, ever play for a championship for the rest of history. You can't even be sure in any way that UCF isn't better than some of these teams? They've beaten Auburn, who says they aren't better than some of these others? They are just eliminated based on your preconceived notions.

I’d take a G5 team only if hey meet certain criteria (like being undefeated, X wins over P5). Gives them a clear roadmap to follow.

 

[Pitt79]

I’d eliminate them. 5 16 team conferences and the rest drop. Play nothing but conference games. Make it like Soccer where the bottom 5 teams drop and top 5 from the lower league come up. Make it so shitty teams can’t just continue to suck and pull in fat checks due to marriage with a conference.

I'd be fine with that, because everyone would have a path to the championship. I'd just make it 4 20 team conferences with 2 10 team divisions, then nobody should complain about taking the conference winners in the Final 4? Or would some of you still cry if Bama was upset and a lesser team, not as SUBJECTIVELY BEST as Bama got in? Or would you rather have the 3 wild cards, as a safety net to get precious Bama a 2nd chance whenever they fail?

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I’d eliminate them. 5 16 team conferences and the rest drop. Play nothing but conference games. Make it like Soccer where the bottom 5 teams drop and top 5 from the lower league come up. Make it so shitty teams can’t just continue to suck and pull in fat checks due to marriage with a conference.

Let me know where you get the magic wand that lets you force conferences to merge with each other. I assume under your system non-conference rivalries would just die because you wouldn't be allowed non conference games?

 

[Sarge25]

Let me know where you get the magic wand that lets you force conferences to merge with each other. I assume under your system non-conference rivalries would just die because you wouldn't be allowed non conference games?

I don’t have any wand of anything. I’d make all conferences regional. NE, SE, NMW, SMW and West Coast.

You have a hard on for old rivalries, I don’t. You make new rivalries when your team is playing the same conference team over and over again for conf championships. Ans chances are, since your conference is based off of geographic location, your “rival” will be there also. Only ND gets screwed.

 

[California Panther]

Only ND gets screwed.

ND deserved to be screwed.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I don’t have any wand of anything. I’d make all conferences regional. NE, SE, NMW, SMW and West Coast.

The conferences are incorporated entities with budgets and legal standing. That's why you need a magic wand. You can't just force them to disband and merge. Even the NCAA can't do that.

 

[Pitt79]

The conferences are incorporated entities with budgets and legal standing. That's why you need a magic wand. You can't just force them to disband and merge. Even the NCAA can't do that.

Just because it can't be done doesn't mean that you can't just describe what you think might be a better system.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Just because it can't be done doesn't mean that you can't just describe what you think might be a better system.

Sure, describe away, I just think it's funny the dude is like "well you just make them turn into regions". OK sure, I'll just make myself fly home from work, I hate traffic.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

I'd make it mandatory to take the best G5 team, if not, then just eliminate them from FBS, since they can never, ever play for a championship for the rest of history. You can't even be sure in any way that UCF isn't better than some of these teams? They've beaten Auburn, who says they aren't better than some of these others? They are just eliminated based on your preconceived notions.

They're eliminated from a final four primarily based on their schedule which could make a 12-0 G5 not even a top ten team.

This years UCF team was a G5 anomaly but I doubt they could beat Georgia, Oklahoma, Clemson or Alabama.

The Auburn Alabama game was one of those Auburn played great Bama was terrible. Auburn was overrated!

Great G5 teams should work to get in a P5 conference and play with the big boys every week!

Georgia is gonna win it all!
Saban is going to take one of the NFL jobs!
Dabo will move to Alabama!

"it's five o'clock somewhere"
Signed: Mr Buffett
Go Pitt & CSU Rams!

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

Great G5 teams should work to get in a P5 conference and play with the big boys every week!

Power five conferences don't want great teams. They want large media markets that don't compete with their existing media markets (an over simplification but there is a lot more than football product they are looking at.)

 

[Pittx9]

A committee shouldn't try to "make a case" for who's "subjectively best" and include "history" from before this season, the majority of playoff spots should be determined simply and objectively be being MANDATED to go to winners of certain divisions, leagues, games, no matter their history, perceived strength or BS like an "eye test".

It should be that way. How it is currently though, bama being bama is pretty much enough to get them in. I think anyone watching could clearly see bama was a better team this year than osu. The question should've been should they be allowed to go out and play for a national championship they have a great chance at winning, or should it just be tough luck for you if you don't win your conference.

Eventually they need to make it so every P5 champ automatically gets in. At this point I'd be all for how ever many teams would've gotten UCF in the playoffs this year. Not saying they should've gotten into the 4 team field, it's just a shame you end an undefeated season with a victory and that's that.

 

[Pitt79]

or should it just be tough luck for you if you don't win your conference.

Yes! Tough Luck, like in every other sport. IMO there needs to be a system where teams get in with nothing subjective, win THIS division, THIS conference, THIS game... YOU'RE IN! No resume or "eye test" to look at... that's normal sports. Have conference champs and a couple wild cards so you can make sure people aren't crying their eyes out because Bama didn't make it,

 

[Pittx9]

Yes! Tough Luck, like in every other sport. IMO there needs to be a system where teams get in with nothing subjective, win THIS division, THIS conference, THIS game... YOU'RE IN! No resume or "eye test" to look at... that's normal sports. Have conference champs and a couple wild cards so you can make sure people aren't crying their eyes out because Bama didn't make it,

Yeah I mean every other college sport you're pretty much rewarded for winning your conference. College football on the other hand will always be about the big money first. If they can have a say in what schools play in the biggest games, you best damn believe that's exactly what they'll do.

 

[Pitt79]

The question should've been should they be allowed to go out and play for a national championship they have a great chance at winning, or should it just be tough luck for you if you don't win your conference.

Caring about Bama getting an EXTRA chance is like corporate welfare, free ticket, 2nd chance for the rich guy.

 

[pittdan77]

Not to add too much of a ripple here but every year, the better AA schools challenge and beat P5 schools. There's no reason to exclude G5 schools that win out like UCF. Well, other than $$$ for the big guys and the risk of letting another school have a seat at the table. You can argue that Bama pounds UCF and probably be right 99 out of 100 times. But I'd like to give UCF that chance.

 

[Pitt79]

Not to add too much of a ripple here but every year, the better AA schools challenge and beat P5 schools. There's no reason to exclude G5 schools that win out like UCF. Well, other than $$$ for the big guys and the risk of letting another school have a seat at the table. You can argue that Bama pounds UCF and probably be right 99 out of 100 times. But I'd like to give UCF that chance.

And it's not just the G5s like UCF, Boise etc. that suffer, you know for a fact, 99 years out of 100, most P5s, like Pitt, Iowa State, Vandy, NC State most of them could have their year of the century and be on the brink, and there'd be talking heads and committees going nuts fighting tooth and nail to make sure they don't get in ahead of their brand name darlings, especially Bama, but also Clemson, tOSU etc. and even the most undeserving of all ND. It's truly a conspiracy and a big fight to keep everyone out but maybe 20-25 "name" schools.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

And it's not just the G5s like UCF, Boise etc. that suffer, you know for a fact, 99 years out of 100, most P5s, like Pitt, Iowa State, Vandy, NC State most of them could have their year of the century and be on the brink, and there'd be talking heads and committees going nuts fighting tooth and nail to make sure they don't get in ahead of their brand name darlings, especially Bama, but also Clemson, tOSU etc. and even the most undeserving of all ND. It's truly a conspiracy and a big fight to keep everyone out but maybe 20-25 "name" schools.

Then why did they let Washington and Michigan State in? A lot of the playoff selection committee is from small schools. Heck, one of the selectors is from Robert Morris.

 

[Pitt79]

Then why did they let Washington and Michigan State in? A lot of the playoff selection committee is from small schools. Heck, one of the selectors is from Robert Morris.

I'd put Michigan State in that group of schools, and Washington unbeaten in a power 5. But still any tie goes to Bama and that's a problem to me. Either mandate conference champs in or screw it. I'm not watching this final, fans should boycott this if they ever want their teams to have a real chance. What if Pitt won the ACC at 12-1, and Bama was 11-1 and didn't win their division, you OK with Bama getting the benefit of the doubt forever and ever?

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I'd put Michigan State in that group of schools, and Washington unbeaten in a power 5.

Washington had a loss.

If there was a tie, I think the benefit of the doubt would go to the team with a better schedule (they seem to value this over conference championships) which is one reason I am skeptical of your "just go play RMU, Duquense, and IUP"

 

[crharris8892]

It's a SEC team, lead pipe lock prediction. On a serious note I wonder what the ratings will be when 3/5 of the nation could give a rats ass who wins. I think UCF v Auburn was the most interesting of the day...

 

[Pitt79]

I think UCF v Auburn was the most interesting of the day...

It's the only bowl game I watched NYD, plus the last 2-3 minutes of the first half of the Rose Bowl, because I didn't care who won any of those games.

 

[crharris8892]

It's the only bowl game I watched NYD, plus the last 2-3 minutes of the first half of the Rose Bowl, because I didn't care who won any of those games.

When UCF was matching speed for speed and winning on D and they didn't lay down, it became must watch tv. Plus thev#18 one handed DE was a freak for UCF.

 

[thebadby2]

ND deserved to be screwed.

ND 49, USC 14.

And USC gets in over ND, because they won the PAC 12?

I don't think so.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

People have this weird obsession with "forcing" Notre Dame to join a conference, like it's joining a war effort against fascism or something, as opposed to just joining a corporate entity so they can make more money with conference football games.

 

[thebadby2]

I'd put Michigan State in that group of schools, and Washington unbeaten in a power 5. But still any tie goes to Bama and that's a problem to me. Either mandate conference champs in or screw it. I'm not watching this final, fans should boycott this if they ever want their teams to have a real chance. What if Pitt won the ACC at 12-1, and Bama was 11-1 and didn't win their division, you OK with Bama getting the benefit of the doubt forever and ever?

What if Pitt won the ACC at 12-1, and Bama was 11-1 and didn't win their division, you OK with Bama getting the benefit of the doubt forever and ever?

Bama got in over a 2 loss team that was blown out by an unranked Iowa team.

Nobody was questioning Clemson even though they lost to lowly Cuse, just because they won their conference champ game over a mediocre Miami team. Wisconsin didn't get in despite having only one loss, and to a top 7 team in the conference champ game no less.

Why should Clemson get in over Wisconsin? Clemson pays no penalty for losing to Syracuse on the road in October, but Wisconsin gets no shot after losing to Ohio State in the conference champ game?

See where I'm going with this? Depending on who you root for, you could argue endlessly about this stuff. The idea is to get the objective 4 best teams into the CFP, not just conference champs. The committee got it right. Most of us take no pleasure in seeing Alabama in the CFP and/or national champ game very year, but as one of the four best teams in the country, they belong there this year, there is no question about that.

 

[Jpripper88]

I'd be fine with that, because everyone would have a path to the championship. I'd just make it 4 20 team conferences with 2 10 team divisions, then nobody should complain about taking the conference winners in the Final 4? Or would some of you still cry if Bama was upset and a lesser team, not as SUBJECTIVELY BEST as Bama got in? Or would you rather have the 3 wild cards, as a safety net to get precious Bama a 2nd chance whenever they fail?

The power schools are not going to lose access. They are not going to give handouts and golden tickets to shitty programs. The SEC is where far more of the best talent and programs are and they are not going to sacrifice access. That would be terrible for them and terrible for the sport.

If there is ever a break from the current FBS system it will be to exclude teams who provide little to no value like Kansas State, Purdue, and Wake and not to include more schools like UCF, Toledo, and Boise.

 

[Jpripper88]

Caring about Bama getting an EXTRA chance is like corporate welfare, free ticket, 2nd chance for the rich guy.

Not similar, at all. Bama pays the bills. Giving UCF a shot is corporate welfare.

I'd put Michigan State in that group of schools, and Washington unbeaten in a power 5. But still any tie goes to Bama and that's a problem to me. Either mandate conference champs in or screw it. I'm not watching this final, fans should boycott this if they ever want their teams to have a real chance. What if Pitt won the ACC at 12-1, and Bama was 11-1 and didn't win their division, you OK with Bama getting the benefit of the doubt forever and ever?

YOU DON'T WATCH ANYWAY!!!

 

[Jpripper88]

It's the only bowl game I watched NYD, plus the last 2-3 minutes of the first half of the Rose Bowl, because I didn't care who won any of those games.

EXACTLY! YOU DONT WATCH OR FOLLOW COLLEGE FOOTBALL!

 

[Pitt79]

EXACTLY! YOU DONT WATCH OR FOLLOW COLLEGE FOOTBALL!

Yeah, because it sucks, there's nothing at all interesting about it. The money teams generate matters more than what happens in games, the number of fans willing to travel, matters more than what happens in games, teams history and pedigree matters more than what happens in games this year, it's just plain stupid. Really, choose the 20-30 teams that you are willing to allow to play for a championship and make a super league, that way it won't seem so rigged when the results on the field don't matter.

 

[Pitt79]

Not similar, at all. Bama pays the bills. Giving UCF a shot is corporate welfare.

You're making my point here about the stupidity of this "sport", who generates money should get in, even if they can't win their own conference.

 

[Pitt79]

I really don't get how people find college football interesting at all, when the same small group of teams Or variation thereof, (like ANYBODY from the SEC gets the benefit of the doubt every time) gets in every year, and anybody that is an upstart buts puts together a historical year has no chance and just runs into a brick wall with no recourse and no chance to prove themselves, You could turn on the TV and it could be the CFB championship game from the last 10 years and it looks the same pretty much, it would be hard to remember the year, because it's same old/same old as far as teams pretty much.

 

[Jpripper88]

You're making my point here about the stupidity of this "sport", who generates money should get in, even if they can't win their own conference.

Except I didn't say that. They pay the bills and they aren't going to pay the bills AND give up their power and access.

I really don't get how people find college football interesting at all, when the same small group of teams Or variation thereof, (like ANYBODY from the SEC gets the benefit of the doubt every time) gets in every year, and anybody that is an upstart buts puts together a historical year has no chance and just runs into a brick wall with no recourse and no chance to prove themselves, You could turn on the TV and it could be the CFB championship game from the last 10 years and it looks the same pretty much, it would be hard to remember the year, because it's same old/same old as far as teams pretty much.

I don't get why you talk about this so much when you don't care at all about college football.

 

[Pitt79]

I don't get why you talk about this so much when you don't care at all about college football.

I do like college football, I watch every Pitt game and games that interest me, like UCF/Auburn, and the FCS playoffs. I talk about it because I want to care, I want it be a real sport, where teams know what they have to do to get in a playoff, and it has nothing to do with "eye tests", If they expanded to 8 and just let P5 conference champs and the best G5 champ have mandatory slots, I'd be interested big time to watch the playoffs. It would finally be a real sport like EVERY OTHER sport.