NcNeese State Game & Other Dribbles ...

[steel_curtain]

There’s a big difference between having talent and actually winning games. We’ll be lucky if some of these players turn into Artis, Young, Jeter, and Jones, when those guys only managed 4-14. You can project development as much as you want, but it doesn’t mean they’re going to go 10-10 in the ACC.

-I dont know what to expect the rest of the season, but I had 4 years to watch the players you named, and I know where they stand. We rolled out a bunch of freshmen last game. Our opponent sucked, but for a team of freshmen, it wasnt bad. The fact we were competitive against West Virginia and Oklahoma State, 2 teams that would finish in the upper half of the ACC, gives reason we are improving somewhat.

-Given the circumstances, Im more interested in this team without Luther. Im interested in what a team of freshmen can do. Maybe we go 0-18 in the ACC. Putting my own personal bar at 11 to show improvement, that is not what Im predicting, rather, what I want to see happen. We have 6, another cupcake, which is 7. That leaves Towson and the ACC. I want to see if our freshmen can get 4 out of 19 games. Just 4. For 11 wins. Given our team is mostly all freshmen, I would consider 11 wins a step in a proper rebuild, and, wouldnt throw Stallings under the bus if he can simply accomplish getting 5 more wins. We need to get 1 good solid player in this class added, and my choice is another point guard / shooting guard that can actually shoot.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Its really unbelievable that the 2 most talented Pitt guards in the last 20 years are Vonteego Cummings and Marcus Carr, neither H-D recruits.

 

[DT_PITT]

Its really unbelievable that the 2 most talented Pitt guards in the last 20 years are Vonteego Cummings and Marcus Carr, neither H-D recruits.

Vonteego was very highly ranked-top 40 or better.

 

[gary2]

So you have us closer to being a tournament team than DT, who has us needing 4 more pieces? Interested in your answer

I look at this years UVA and Vir.Tech teams. Most predictions have them making the tourney. I can't see why our team 2 seasons from now, can't approximate those teams.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

So you have us closer to being a tournament team than DT, who has us needing 4 more pieces? Interested in your answer

I look at this years UVA and Vir.Tech teams. Most predictions have them making the tourney. I can't see why our team 2 seasons from now, can't approximate those teams.

Buzz has had very consistently good recruiting. Not like Top 10 classes, but he's brought in very few misses. All solid guys.

And UVa, that's Bennett, you cant compare to that defensive machine

 

[4Mark_Marty]

I think it's always important to provide proper perspective like you have in this post.

Proper perspective????? Holder is a senior! Carr is a freshman! You are obviously still pining for Dixon, as is Whirlibird. You focus on defense and rebounding on every post, as if our new staff doesn’t care about or know how to coach it. You’re being incredulous quite frankly. How many fast break points have we surrendered? Not many.

I never wanted Stallings to be our coach, but he is. He has recruited better in his first full class since Dixon recruited Mike Young. I wish we had D Hurley or K Willard, but we don’t. Our kids seem to like to play for him, play for Pitt, and with each other, listen to his instruction, and play hard.

Let’s support ALL of them without all of the snide comments.

 

[DT_PITT]

Proper perspective????? Holder is a senior! Carr is a freshman! You are obviously still pining for Dixon, as is Whirlibird. You focus on defense and rebounding on every post, as if our new staff doesn’t care about or know how to coach it. You’re being incredulous quite frankly. How many fast break points have we surrendered? Not many.

I never wanted Stallings to be our coach, but he is. He has recruited better in his first full class since Dixon recruited Mike Young. I wish we had D Hurley or K Willard, but we don’t. Our kids seem to like to play for him, play for Pitt, and with each other, listen to his instruction, and play hard.

Let’s support ALL of them without all of the snide comments.

Really?

Is this fair?

It would seem as if you are saying that if one says anything negative that this means one is pining for Dixon.

I can speak for myself that once Dixon left, I no longer wanted him here.

That is exactly how I feel.

I don't think I have made any snide comments. I am trying to give my best honest assessment of what I think of this team. Some of that is negative.

I made negative comments about Dixon's teams as well, many of them in fact, especially in his last few years. This was especially true about how Dixon's teams played defense in the the last few years.

I suspect we all want the same thing. We want to get back to the point where we are a regular tournament team.

But I'm having a hard time understanding why an opinion that we are further away from being that kind of program than I would like deserves the vitriol you have just spouted at me.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

Stevenson reminds me a lot of Jerome Lane and Jerome didn’t look this good as a freshman . He was out of control , but he did get a lot better !
Ps ..he never shot the ball as good as Stevenson can if only SS learns to rebound like JL !

He couldn’t shoot past 3 feet, but he was great.

 

[gary2]

Really?

Is this fair?

It would seem as if you are saying that if one says anything negative that this means one is pining for Dixon.

I can speak for myself that once Dixon left, I no longer wanted him here.

That is exactly how I feel.

I don't think I have made any snide comments. I am trying to give my best honest assessment of what I think of this team. Some of that is negative.

I made negative comments about Dixon's teams as well, many of them in fact, especially in his last few years. This was especially true about how Dixon's teams played defense in the the last few years.

I suspect we all want the same thing. We want to get back to the point where we are a regular tournament team.

But I'm having a hard time understanding why an opinion that we are further away from being that kind of program than I would like deserves the vitriol you have just spouted at me.

I believe the poster is pointing out that in a season that we all know will not go well, it might be nice if people (at this point)would just accept the few wins we will get and the signs of development we see(while it lasts), rather than (having to be a Debbie Downer) pointing out we have only played 2 good teams so far.

Try to wait until we are getting killed regularly. Trust me, it will happen. Freshmen against upperclassmen.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

Really?

Is this fair?

It would seem as if you are saying that if one says anything negative that this means one is pining for Dixon.

I can speak for myself that once Dixon left, I no longer wanted him here.

That is exactly how I feel.

I don't think I have made any snide comments. I am trying to give my best honest assessment of what I think of this team. Some of that is negative.

I made negative comments about Dixon's teams as well, many of them in fact, especially in his last few years. This was especially true about how Dixon's teams played defense in the the last few years.

I suspect we all want the same thing. We want to get back to the point where we are a regular tournament team.

But I'm having a hard time understanding why an opinion that we are further away from being that kind of program than I would like deserves the vitriol you have just spouted at me.

*All the same, I was having an equally difficult time understanding just why we ended up taking 33 threes against a team as lowly as the Cowboys of the Southland Conference.

They were open shots, and freshmen Peace, Terrell and Sampson were no replacement for Ryan as you pointed out above.

I just think you, JTPF, whirly, NTOP, and the like are being overly critical, given the current circumstances, and it’s discoloring your view of everything Pitt Basketball, and it cannot have a positive effect in the program being so critical ALL THE TIME.

I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY AT 7:00! I hope many pitt fans are there with me.

 

[Pittfan85]

Its really unbelievable that the 2 most talented Pitt guards in the last 20 years are Vonteego Cummings and Marcus Carr, neither H-D recruits.

It’s unbelievable to me that after 11 games you are already touting Carr to be better than Jrob, Woodall, Gibbs. Levance, Wanamaker, Krauser, Knight, Ramon, and I’m sure I missing a couple.

Honestly, it is pathetic the way you are propping up Carr to advance your agenda

 

[gary2]

Personally, I think you and most on this board are too hard on this team and KS. Coming into the season, most said we would only have single digit wins. Most said they wanted to see improvement and that there is some semblance of talent.

I'd easily say that we are improving and that we do have some talent. I thought it was an impressive game yesterday considering Luther, their best player to date, did not play. Carr is very good and a super piece to build on. Stevenson will be a very nice 4 year player that could develop into an all ACC type of player. Davis is a nice 6th man. Wilson Frame has some very good games and stepped up as the leader yesterday. Stewart is another player that can give them something and both Brown and Ilegomah showed some defensive presence yesterday.

Take it for what it is, watch it to see them grow and have some fun watching basketball. Most of the last few years have been super frustrating to watch and not so much fun at all. Artis and Young were very, very good college players with a great bit of talent, but we're such bad teammates and had no will to do he things needed to be part of a winning team. This year is not that for me. It's fun to see where this team was, what it has grown to and to think where it may get to. That is good enough for me this year.

Thank you for this post - I think you lay out a good way to approach things

 

[Pittfan85]

I look at this years UVA and Vir.Tech teams. Most predictions have them making the tourney. I can't see why our team 2 seasons from now, can't approximate those teams.

They have good coaches that maximize talent. We have an average coach who doesn’t maximize talent.

 

[Pittfan85]

I believe the poster is pointing out that in a season that we all know will not go well, it might be nice if people (at this point)would just accept the few wins we will get and the signs of development we see(while it lasts), rather than (being a Debbie Downer) pointing out we have only played 2 good teams so far.

Try to wait until we are getting killed regularly. Trust me, it will happen. Freshmen against upperclassmen.

Screw that dude. I had to listen to people like you say for years making the tournament was t good enough, and that it sucked. Now we are going to have two really awful years in a row and you are preaching patience?

Seriously, you can take your patience and shove it. I expect a team that competes for the tournament mostly every year, not one that wins 2 games in the ACC and is considered a success.

 

[Pittfan85]

*All the same, I was having an equally difficult time understanding just why we ended up taking 33 threes against a team as lowly as the Cowboys of the Southland Conference.

They were open shots, and freshmen Peace, Terrell and Sampson were no replacement for Ryan as you pointed out above.

I just think you, JTPF, whirly, NTOP, and the like are being overly critical, given the current circumstances, and it’s discoloring your view of everything Pitt Basketball, and it cannot have a positive effect in the program being so critical ALL THE TIME.

I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY AT 7:00! I hope many pitt fans are there with me.

Overly critical my butt. Stallings BLEW UP the program...his choice. It is t that hard to make a quick turn around in basketball, and we look to be at least 2-3 years away from even possibly sniffing the tournament.

I would be patient if we had a coach that was young, and I thought needed to prove if he could build a good program. We already know what stallings is, and it is not acceptable.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

He couldn’t shoot past 3 feet, but he was great.

Most exciting play ever at the Field House !

 

[DT_PITT]

I believe the poster is pointing out that in a season that we all know will not go well, it might be nice if people (at this point)would just accept the few wins we will get and the signs of development we see(while it lasts), rather than (having to be a Debbie Downer) pointing out we have only played 2 good teams so far.

Try to wait until we are getting killed regularly. Trust me, it will happen. Freshmen against upperclassmen.

*All the same, I was having an equally difficult time understanding just why we ended up taking 33 threes against a team as lowly as the Cowboys of the Southland Conference.

They were open shots, and freshmen Peace, Terrell and Sampson were no replacement for Ryan as you pointed out above.

I just think you, JTPF, whirly, NTOP, and the like are being overly critical, given the current circumstances, and it’s discoloring your view of everything Pitt Basketball, and it cannot have a positive effect in the program being so critical ALL THE TIME.

I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY AT 7:00! I hope many pitt fans are there with me.

I've long since suspected this time would come, but with the dialogue of today, I know now it's time to retire.

Doing post game comments takes a great deal of time and effort, and it's obvious that mostly I'm just causing is grief, both for myself and others. My goal was always just to give a most honest and even take, and to never contribute to the polarization that exists here.

So this will be the last time I will do these dribbles, and of course, I know the PantherLair will go on just fine.

 

[steel_curtain]

It’s unbelievable to me that after 11 games you are already touting Carr to be better than Jrob, Woodall, Gibbs. Levance, Wanamaker, Krauser, Knight, Ramon, and I’m sure I missing a couple.

Honestly, it is pathetic the way you are propping up Carr to advance your agenda

-I think some of it is warranted. Gibbs is the most overrated player in Pitt history. Wanamaker made Gibbs good. Wanamaker was the catalyst. When Wanamaker left, Gibbs shooting percentages dropped off a cliff into the bottom of the ocean. Without Wanamaker, Gibbs wasnt half the player he was.

-Maybe when ACC play starts, Carr's shooting percentages will fall hard. He's a freshmen playing with basically all freshmen. His shooting percentages to date are far better as a freshmen then any of the other players mentioned when they were freshmen, and this is the youngest Pitt team maybe ever. The fact he's shooting really well including the free throw line, with 4 assists per game, with perhaps the youngest team in Pitt history, is almost amazing. To a degree, he almost single handily is making this team at least competitive.

-The thing I hate about Dixon is his teams always tightened up in the NCAA Tournament, and played not to lose, rather to win. Even the 2009 team with that offense didnt perform anywhere near the level on offense in the NCAA's as they should have. Dixon's last game against Wisconsin was an embarrassing joke playing not to lose with defense and rebounding, I hate that style of play.

-I look at ASU again as I watched them today for the 3rd time, with Tra Holder, this team continues to punch the gas pedal on offense, even up 12-14 points late in games under 5 minutes to play, not holding the ball shot clock milking, but looking to put you away with offense. I expect in the NCAA Tournament they will be doing the same and not changing styles, looking to put teams away attacking the rim and ripping 3's regardless of how much time is on the shot clock. They play to win and bury you with offense.

-Ill stand by, Pitt has 2 pieces, borderline, borderline, maybe 3. All freshmen. We need another high impact point guard / shooting guard to team up with Carr in the backcourt that can shoot and penetrate, and hopefully get an instant impact big man down the road. That is exactly the difference of what ASU was last year in comparison to this year. They added White and Remy Martin, and they are the real deal.

-LOL at Pomeroy's disbelief with that team.

 

[steel_curtain]

I've long since suspected this time would come, but with the dialogue of today, I know now it's time to retire.

Doing post game comments takes a great deal of time and effort, and it's obvious that mostly I'm just causing is grief, both for myself and others. My goal was always just to give a most honest and even take, and to never contribute to the polarization that exists here.

So this will be the last time I will do these dribbles, and of course, I know the PantherLair will go on just fine.

-Stick around. There's nothing wrong with different opinions. Everyone wants Pitt to win.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

I've long since suspected this time would come, but with the dialogue of today, I know now it's time to retire.

Doing post game comments takes a great deal of time and effort, and it's obvious that mostly I'm just causing is grief, both for myself and others. My goal was always just to give a most honest an even take, and to never contribute to the polarization that exists here.

I know the PantherLair will go on just fine.

I wouldn’t quit if I was you , I personally enjoy your insights . I think where your missing it a bit this year is that this is just not a regular yr . This team will be overmatched every night in the ACC and holding these inexperienced freshman to normal Pitt standards from the last 20 yrs just isn’t productive . Try to enjoy the growth of the players and the team . Everyone including KS knows Pitt needs more talent let’s see how it plays out . Keep the faith and your post games dribbles .

 

[DT_PITT]

I wouldn’t quit if I was you , I personally enjoy your insights . I think where your missing it a bit this year is that this is just not a regular yr . This team will be overmatched every night in the ACC and holding these inexperienced freshman to normal Pitt standards from the last 20 yrs just isn’t productive . Try to enjoy the growth of the players and the team . Everyone including KS knows Pitt needs more talent let’s see how it plays out . Keep the faith and your post games dribbles .

No -- it's time to be done. I know I will be there to watch games as I always have, and will wish the best for the team and will look forward to seeing how they will improve. But since it to the point where saying that shooting 33 threes isn't a good thing, and this indicates that there is some sort of an agenda which contributes to the polarization here, I really don't have anything else I can offer.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

I've long since suspected this time would come, but with the dialogue of today, I know now it's time to retire.

Doing post game comments takes a great deal of time and effort, and it's obvious that mostly I'm just causing is grief, both for myself and others. My goal was always just to give a most honest and even take, and to never contribute to the polarization that exists here.

So this will be the last time I will do these dribbles, and of course, I know the PantherLair will go on just fine.

Thank you. Your efforts will be missed, but they are replaceable.

 

[DT_PITT]

Thank you. Your efforts will be missed, but they are replaceable.

Indeed they are.

 

[levance2]

No -- it's time to be done. I know I will be there to watch games as I always have, and will wish the best for the team and will look forward to seeing how they will improve. But since it to the point where saying that shooting 33 threes isn't a good thing indicates that there is some sort of an agenda and this contributes to the polarization here, I really don't have anything else I can offer.

Thanks @Chris Peak for allowing this site to turn into a cesspool

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I've long since suspected this time would come, but with the dialogue of today, I know now it's time to retire.

Doing post game comments takes a great deal of time and effort, and it's obvious that mostly I'm just causing is grief, both for myself and others. My goal was always just to give a most honest and even take, and to never contribute to the polarization that exists here.

So this will be the last time I will do these dribbles, and of course, I know the PantherLair will go on just fine.

I’ve enjoyed them since I became aware of the board but good for you. Probably a good decision. From my view you’ve been fair expressing praise and criticism where warranted. Too many people on both sides are trying to manipulate and spin things to support their viewpoints.

 

[Pitt5593]

Personally, I think you and most on this board are too hard on this team and KS. Coming into the season, most said we would only have single digit wins. Most said they wanted to see improvement and that there is some semblance of talent.

I'd easily say that we are improving and that we do have some talent. I thought it was an impressive game yesterday considering Luther, their best player to date, did not play. Carr is very good and a super piece to build on. Stevenson will be a very nice 4 year player that could develop into an all ACC type of player. Davis is a nice 6th man. Wilson Frame has some very good games and stepped up as the leader yesterday. Stewart is another player that can give them something and both Brown and Ilegomah showed some defensive presence yesterday.

Take it for what it is, watch it to see them grow and have some fun watching basketball. Most of the last few years have been super frustrating to watch and not so much fun at all. Artis and Young were very, very good college players with a great bit of talent, but we're such bad teammates and had no will to do he things needed to be part of a winning team. This year is not that for me. It's fun to see where this team was, what it has grown to and to think where it may get to. That is good enough for me this year.

I know I am in the minority about this, but I find Brown to be very intriguing. Has potential as a shot blocker and he also has some offensive skills. He has no experience but could be a very nice player and a year or two. We could also be underestimating the potential of Davis and Stewart. And if this was five years ago, We would really be raving about Stevenson.

 

[DT_PITT]

I’ve enjoyed them since I became aware of the board but good for you. Probably a good decision. From my view you’ve been fair expressing big praise and criticism where warranted. Too many people on both sides are trying to manipulate and spin things to support their viewpoints.

I've always tried to be as fair as I can be.

 

[gary2]

I've always tried to be as fair as I can be.

Nobody includes you in the polarizing elements of the board. Most people who have commented about you have attempted to do so in the least confrontation kind of way.

I truly believe you have tried to be as fair as you can.

I truly believe you have taken some of the critical remarks to heart. Accept them and continue to do the best you can do.

No one wants you to retire. I hope you reconsider.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Whe

Nobody includes you in the polarizing elements of the board. Most people who have commented about you have attempted to do so in the least confrontation kind of way.

I truly believe you have tried to be as fair as you can.

I truly believe you have taken some of the critical remarks to heart. Accept them and continue to do the best you can do.

No one wants you to retire. I hope you reconsider.

Says the guy who accused him of including subliminal messages.

 

[DT_PITT]

Whe

Nobody includes you in the polarizing elements of the board. Most people who have commented about you have attempted to do so in the least confrontation kind of way.

I truly believe you have tried to be as fair as you can.

I truly believe you have taken some of the critical remarks to heart. Accept them and continue to do the best you can do.

No one wants you to retire. I hope you reconsider.

*All the same, I was having an equally difficult time understanding just why we ended up taking 33 threes against a team as lowly as the Cowboys of the Southland Conference.

They were open shots, and freshmen Peace, Terrell and Sampson were no replacement for Ryan as you pointed out above.

I just think you, JTPF, whirly, NTOP, and the like are being overly critical, given the current circumstances, and it’s discoloring your view of everything Pitt Basketball, and it cannot have a positive effect in the program being so critical ALL THE TIME.

I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY AT 7:00! I hope many pitt fans are there with me.

I beg to differ.

 

[Pitt3Putt]

Sorry if I de-railed the thread at all with my "I think Stallings will get 4 years unless there are transfers" exchange with another poster last night.

Always enjoyed these threads as a kind of post-game congregation place.

Hopefully this winds up being temporary once tensions aren't quite as high. At this point, though, definitely an understandable decision.

 

[gary2]

I beg to differ.

I get your feelings are hurt. You are stronger than that.

Do you read the comments people make to me?

See truth where it exists and disregard everything else.

Again, please reconsider.

 

[Pittfan85]

I get your feelings are hurt. You are stronger than that.

Do you read the comments people make to me?

See truth where it exists and disregard everything else.

Again, please reconsider.

The comments you get is because you attack anyone who criticizes stallings. You deserve the comments, as do I frankly as well.

DT certainly doesn’t deserve the crap he takes from you and others.

 

[NCanton Panther]

I get your feelings are hurt. You are stronger than that.

Do you read the comments people make to me?

See truth where it exists and disregard everything else.

Again, please reconsider.

This really is ridiculous. Far worse comments made to other posters all the time.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Stallings has said Ellison often looks like the best player on the floor in practice. Take that for what it is worth (I don't think he will be the 2nd best player on the team. I plugged him in there with the question mark because I was looking for an Artis compare.)

He did play significant minutes as an underclassmen at St.Johns. In the year DT is talking about, Ellison will be 2 years older.

If you are expecting Ellison to be comparable to Artis you are almost certainly setting yourself up for a huge disappointment. Artis' offensive rating as a freshman and a sophomore were 107.6 and 113.4. Ellison's were 85.2 and 97.3. He has to make huge strides just to get to where Artis was as a freshman and sophomore, let alone be better than that. Artis shot ones better, shot twos better, shot threes better, was better on the offensive glass and was better on the defensive glass. Ellison's assist rate was better, but he more than "made up" for that with his truly awful turnover rate.

If Ellison ends up being the second best player on the team two years from now it is far more likely that the team has gone completely into the crapper rather than that we are an NCAA team or close to it.

 

[4Mark_Marty]

Thanks @Chris Peak for allowing this site to turn into a cesspool

You are one of the main culprits with your constant negativity since Dixon quit.

 

[gary2]

If you are expecting Ellison to be comparable to Artis you are almost certainly setting yourself up for a huge disappointment. Artis' offensive rating as a freshman and a sophomore were 107.6 and 113.4. Ellison's were 85.2 and 97.3. He has to make huge strides just to get to where Artis was as a freshman and sophomore, let alone be better than that. Artis shot ones better, shot twos better, shot threes better, was better on the offensive glass and was better on the defensive glass. Ellison's assist rate was better, but he more than "made up" for that with his truly awful turnover rate.

If Ellison ends up being the second best player on the team two years from now it is far more likely that the team has gone completely into the crapper rather than that we are an NCAA team or close to it.

I really wanted Sadiq Bey for this spot. Feel he is our biggest recruiting miss to this point

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

So you have us closer to being a tournament team than DT, who has us needing 4 more pieces? Interested in your answer

I think I'm not too far from DT. I think we need at least three really good college basketball players, and IF two of the guys here now improve between now and then (one by probably not a huge margin and the other by probably a pretty large margin) then you've got two. You need at least another to be as good as we hope those guys will be then. And if you are going to do this without having that one stud player then your other guys need to be good pieces of the puzzle. Sheldon Jeter wasn't a great player, but he was a guy who could be a piece of the puzzle on a good team.

Might we have a couple of those pieces now? Sure, maybe. But then again, maybe not. I mean I know that some people are ready anoint Parker Stewart as the best thing since sliced bread, but against the three good teams we've played (and he only played two minutes against one of them) he's 2-12 from the field, 2-10 on threes. We've got to see him perform at a much higher level when we play good teams to declare that he's going to be a part of the puzzle going forward. And we also have to find someone that he can guard, because if he's a guy who scores 12 and gives up 18 he's not helping, and at this point he hasn't shown he can guard players on the bottom teams in D1 let alone the kinds of players he's going to start defending in a couple of weeks.

In short, we have a long, long way to go to be an NCAA team.

 

[gary2]

I think I'm not too far from DT. I think we need at least three really good college basketball players, and IF two of the guys here now improve between now and then (one by probably not a huge margin and the other by probably a pretty large margin) then you've got two. You need at least another to be as good as we hope those guys will be then. And if you are going to do this without having that one stud player then your other guys need to be good pieces of the puzzle. Sheldon Jeter wasn't a great player, but he was a guy who could be a piece of the puzzle on a good team.

Might we have a couple of those pieces now? Sure, maybe. But then again, maybe not. I mean I know that some people are ready anoint Parker Stewart as the best thing since sliced bread, but against the three good teams we've played (and he only played two minutes against one of them) he's 2-12 from the field, 2-10 on threes. We've got to see him perform at a much higher level when we play good teams to declare that he's going to be a part of the puzzle going forward. And we also have to find someone that he can guard, because if he's a guy who scores 12 and gives up 18 he's not helping, and at this point he hasn't shown he can guard players on the bottom teams in D1 let alone the kinds of players he's going to start defending in a couple of weeks.

In short, we have a long, long way to go to be an NCAA team.

Thank you for the reply - Appreciate it

Agree we currently lack the true star player you can build a team around. If Carr develops into that, we need a sidekick.

I think Parker Stewart can shoot. I think he can rebound a bit. I think it is incredible (I know he is not trying to do a lot with the ball) that he has 2 turnovers in the amount of time he has played. 1 came when he was actually fouled late in the Duquesne game but the official did not want to extend the game and the other came when he passed up a layup to get Boykins a basket and Boykins could not handle the pass. I think he sets some nice screens. The kid is smart too. In two years, I see him as much better than Chris Jones (#4 on our last tourney team)

 

[AvonBarksdale]

Need a big that can rebound very well and a scorer. You get those for next season, and I think Pitt can be an NIT team.