Right. I think it's possible, not definite, but possible, that Carr could eventually become a star you can build a good, NCAA tournament level team around. But if he does turn out to be that guy then we still need another high level player to accompany that. That's what we're missing right now, and that seems to be what's missing from our current recruiting class. And it would be nice if we find that missing piece and he ends up being a big guy, because we could really use a good one of them.
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Right. I think it's possible, not definite, but possible, that Carr could eventually become a star you can build a good, NCAA tournament level team around. But if he does turn out to be that guy then we still need another high level player to accompany that. That's what we're missing right now, and that seems to be what's missing from our current recruiting class. And it would be nice if we find that missing piece and he ends up being a big guy, because we could really use a good one of them.
I think you have it right - Hope Stallings is on the same page and can deliver
Well that's the problem. They may KNOW how to coach rebounding, but there is no actual on the court evidence at this time to support that position.
Right now we are the second worst P6 team in offensive rebounding, and there are only four P6 teams worse than us at defensive rebounding. That's a really, really bad combination. You can win a lot of games without relying much on offensive rebounds. And you can win a lot of games without being a good defensive rebounding team. But it is nearly impossible to win a lot of games if you can't rebound at all.
We don't have a bunch of big, strong rebounders.
I think the poster is suggesting the staff has made an intelligent decision on how to approach offensive rebounding. He believes the staff has decided we would lose more points by crashing the offensive boards on fast breaks than we would gain on getting and converting offensive rebounds.
Decisions on style of play have been made. People surely have a right to disagree with them, but those decisions were made for a reason. That reason is the staff believes they give this team its best chance to win.
There is a difference between crashing the offensive boards and having one guy going to the glass most of the time. There are very, very few teams that completely abandon the offensive glass the way that we do.
And of course it's a style of play decision. That doesn't mean it's the right one or that it's off limits for discussion.
And let's not forget, we are an awful defensive rebounding team as well. Is that also some sort of stylistic decision? I mean if we have decided not to try to get offensive rebounds does that mean that we have also decided not to try to get defensive ones too?
I don't believe the staff has decided not to try for defensive rebounds (maybe Frame and Stevenson have).
Like I said, we do not have a bunch of big, strong rebounders. Maybe we will in a year or two.
My remarks about Frame and Stevenson were as well.
Yes, he can shoot. I bet he's great in a game of HORSE, but horse ain't gameday,
Div1 basketball. Watch what he does on the offensive end, you'll see that he goes to a spot and basically waits for the ball. If he's open, he's capable of knocking down a three. He also moves within the perimeter rotation that constitutes our offensive sets. He's one of those guys who can shoot, but can't create, or get a shot off on his own. Anyone who's ever played this game knows countless guys who can shoot but can't get it off...that's what often separates the real players from the also rans.
As far as his defense, well...let's not even go there. LOL.
You are a big reason I joined these boards. I hope you reconsider.
Certainly not from you they aren’t.
Do you lack that much self-awareness? You’ve called out DT on numerous occasions including this thread when you said, essentially, his Debbie downer commentary was uncalled for this season.
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It really is pretty amazing. DT has always been pretty middle of the road, going back up Dixon’s last couple years.
The people that have always attached him though are the same. It wasn’t the “JIG” crowd when he would criticize Dixon, it was the ones that would say he was too positive. Now, those exact same people are saying he is too NEGATIVE.
Gary is really a total joke.
DT, I've tried to stay out of the discussions about coaching this year. I've always been partial to a motion offense and watching this perimeter shooting team is frustrating to me for that reason.
I have enjoyed your dribbles for along time and this will eliminate an even handed appraisal of this team's performance for me. Some health issues are preventing me from attending all the games so I wish you would reconsider.
There is one current move on this board that mystifies me. After going through 4-5 years of constant criticism of our previous coach, many of those same people who criticized him are now saying that the time for criticism is past and this coach should be supported. I don't understand this double standard much like i don't understand any double standard.
I have enjoyed your dribbles for along time and this will eliminate an even handed appraisal of this team's performance for me. Some health issues are preventing me from attending all the games so I wish you would reconsider.
There is one current move on this board that mystifies me. After going through 4-5 years of constant criticism of our previous coach, many of those same people who criticized him are now saying that the time for criticism is past and this coach should be supported. I don't understand this double standard much like i don't understand any double standard.
They are deflecting from the fact that those comments look idiotic now, and are avoiding saying stallings is a disaster because they know they have to admit they were wrong about the many previous things they said about the old coach and how easy it would be to replace him.
You're wrong there. This board is undergoing a similar transition as the other one. And it's not for the better. Keep chasing off anyone with a different opinion from your own. See what this place looks like in six months. This board needs DT's presence more than you know.
That may be true, but last years team had Young and Jeter and we essentially abandoned rebounding, when we had been adequate the year before. Maia and ANO were lost and that had some impact, but we just replaced them with more minutes for Young and Jeter and Young ended with less rebounds despite 120 more minutes on the season, Artis had less rebounds despite 100 more minutes, Jeter saw a big increase along with his minutes but his total rebound rate went down (fractionally) and Luther even saw his rebound percentage go down.
This is clearly a change in emphasis, one that I don't quite understand or agree with, but he is the coach.
Stallings does run a motion offense, one of the oldest ones in the book, it just so happens that the shots it is now designed to produce are 3s and lay ups, not 15-18 foot jump shots. Your mere mention of our previous coach is a devisive statement. There can be both criticism of our previous coach’s teams, for coach not recruiting well and producing to the level they did from ‘03-‘11, and a wait and see approach in regards to if the new style of basketball can produce results once this team of mostly first year players gets some experience playing together.
Carr, Stevenson, Parker, Frame(if he exerts himself on the defensive boards) and Davis are 5 solid players to build around. All but Frame have the ability to be here 4 years. Peace can become a rim protector and Brown has potential to develop much like Gray and McGee in the past.
Stallings is at best an average coach. His track record at Vanderbilt proved it. He had his chance last year with a tournament team to prove he could at least make the tournament here and failed miserably.
There is zero reason to wait and see.
I didn’t chase anyone off. DT made his decision on his own. Trading second chance points for surrendering transition points is a wash in my opinion and is a longing for days gone by. Look at the numbers.
Oh, btw, you are allowed to bring up Dixon to criticize him and use him as an excuse to defend stallings, but no one else can talk about him?
Yes you’re correct DT has always been one of the primary contributors to board discussions.
But come on, doesn’t anyone think he is a little over the top with his reaction here. I didn’t see anyone personally attack him or say anything way out of line. If I’m remembering correctly, this isn’t DT’s first ‘take my ball and go home’ tantrum.
Perhaps it’s frustrating to gave the same people, you included, that constantly were hyper negative during Dixon’s last 5 years all of a sudden preaching patience and the support the team mantra?
I'm not taking "my ball and going home" because my choice doesn't affect anyone else.
I'm also not "going home." All I said was that I'm not going to do post game "dribbles." It's been something I've been contemplating for some time. It's very time consuming and not very enjoyable anymore. There were some personal attacks over the last few weeks, but like you said ... nothing too out of line.
But when my friend Bethlehem John called my out for being too hard, along with Marty and gary's comments, it made me ask myself why I'm doing something that is making me so unhappy.
The much better move would have been simply just to stop instead of making an "announcement." I regret that. But I confess that have grown tired of people incorrectly questioning my motives -- marty, gary over the past year, and others -mostly because I simply don't see the same potential for the future with the current group as some others do.
That’s all well and good. I still think you way over-reacted to what was posted, particularly if you put it into perspective of what gets hurled at other posters on a continuous basis on this board. Maybe I’m just biased because I think you’ve been overly critical of these players as well, given that they’re true freshman and everything we’ve seen this year should be expected.
That is good to hear. I was afraid you were no longer going to participate on the board. Keep posting. The board needs intelligent posters.
Man. It's a shame freshmen of years past didn't have stans like you and Gary willing to cape up every time a freshman got eviscerated for being "terrible."
I think it's absolutely comical that so many posters are willing to move the goalposts so drastically. Perhaps you should start going to games and handing out participation ribbons because the team tries hard.
Of course not. But nobody has been able to present to me a compelling argument as to why we shouldn't approach this year with the same fair and critical approach as years past beyond "deal with it. They're young."
I don't think DT over-reacted at all. This board is conducive to attacks of everyone, just because of differing opinions. That's the nature of message boards, emails, twitter, anything that we call the social media. I don't blame him one bit for saying the Dribbles aren't worth the time and aggravation if attacks to him and to others is the result. It's just not worth it.
Yep, definitely agree that’s the nature of message boards. Also agree it’s very reasonable to think the dribbles take a lot of time. Perfectly understandable to stop doing them because of the time strains. However, a little childish to do it because some posters questioned his critiques of the team.
These message boards are largely used as only echo chambers to already predetermined perspectives. "Dribbles" typically served as a springboard for thoughtful debate.
I always enjoyed reading them.
I always enjoyed reading them.
A lot of what ifs and hopeful projections. You are dreaming that all those things happen.
Disagreeing on a message board is not attacking anyone. People disagree with me all the time. I don’t take it personally that much anymore.
Yes because I am a fan of the program, an alumni, and a father of a soon to be freshman at Pitt and avid hoops fan. We only have projections to go by, as they’ve only played 11 games together.
What else do we have besides projections of freshmen? Why not be hopeful? If not hopeful projections, then what? Despair? No way.
Despair is what I’m experiencing when I read your, DTs Drivbles, whirli, JTPF, 85, NTOP, Levance and countless other posters who refuse to see barely any hope in the future. Yeah, this sucks compared to ‘09, but despairing about it every day does nobody any good, especially the kids.
How about those that attack the character of people they don’t personally know ? Sound familiar ?
Inciting despair is very much against what I would ever want to accomplish. I apologize for that.
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