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Net rankings 12/2

Pitt666 said:
ACC

Duke 4
Pitt 5
Clemson 18
UNC 26
Lville 30
SMU 64
FSU 67
Cal 78
Stanford 80
NCST 91
ND 97
Wake 115
Virginia 125
BC 150
GT 175
Cuse 177
Miami 191
VT 233
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2 Thoughts:

SMU, Cal, and Stanford all contributing positively this year to the metrics.

That VT game coming up is oddly really important not to lose- that would undo some of the positives this year.
 
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I don’t think we have to worry about Pitt missing the tournament as of right now if they are number 5 in the NET. I don’t expect them to stay in the top 5-10 all season but you can’t say enough about how important that win was on Friday in Columbus.
 
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Remaining schedule by quad

12/4 @MissState 28 Q1a
12/7 @VT 233 Q3 barely - 240 is Q4 away cutoff
12/11 EKY 136 Q3
12/21 SHSU 159 Q3 barely - 160 is Q4 home cut
12/31 Cal 78 Q3; cutoff for Q2 home is 75
1/4 Stanford 80 Q3
1/7 @Duke 4 Q1a
1/11 Lville 30 Q1: though right at cutoff for Q1/2
1/15 @FSU 67 Q1
1/18 Clemson 18 Q1
1/25 @Cuse 177 Q3
1/28 UNC 26 Q1
2/1 @Wake 115. Q2
2/3 Virginia 125 Q3
2/8 @UNC Q1A
2/11 @SMU 64 Q1
2/15 Miami 191 Q4
2/18 Cuse 177 Q4
2/22 @ND 97 Q2
2/25 GT 175 Q4
3/1 @Lville 30 Q1a
3/5 @NCST Q2
3/8 BC 150 Q3
Hope that cuse and GT get to 160 to make them Q3.

4 Q1A
4 Q1
3 Q2
8 Q3
3 Q4
 
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Pitt666 said:
Remaining schedule by quad

12/4 @MissState 28 Q1a
12/7 @VT 233 Q3 barely - 240 is Q4 away cutoff
12/11 EKY 136 Q3
12/21 SHSU 159 Q3 barely - 160 is Q4 home cut
12/31 Cal 78 Q3; cutoff for Q2 home is 75
1/4 Stanford 80 Q3
1/7 @Duke 4 Q1a
1/11 Lville 30 Q1: though right at cutoff for Q1/2
1/15 @FSU 67 Q1
1/18 Clemson 18 Q1
1/25 @Cuse 177 Q3
1/28 UNC 26 Q1
2/1 @Wake 115. Q2
2/3 Virginia 125 Q3
2/8 @UNC Q1A
2/11 @SMU 64 Q1
2/15 Miami 191 Q4
2/18 Cuse 177 Q4
2/22 @ND 97 Q2
2/25 GT 175 Q4
3/1 @Lville 30 Q1a
3/5 @NCST Q2
3/8 BC 150 Q3
Hope that cuse and GT get to 160 to make them Q3.

4 Q1A
4 Q1
3 Q2
8 Q3
3 Q4
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Is Q1A some new thing?
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
WVU 29
Murray St 88
Radford 101

WVU is an NCAAT team if they picked the field today. So our schedule, by the numbers, has been extremely hard.
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Very few teams right now can say they are 3-1 against the top 50 and 5-1 against basically the top 100.

It also means Wednesday is really house money. It’s a game that can only help us even more, and we won’t get penalized for playing and losing.

Unless we lose multiple other non-conference games or go like 10-10 in the ACC we will be more than fine. 11 acc wins probably more than enough to keep us out of Dayton.
 
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One thing I've noticed from watching games and the initial NET seems to confirm is the ACC isn't great, but the Big East and Mountain West seem to be worse.

I don't think we will be hearing about how great those two conferences are in March.
 
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SteelCityChamps said:
Is Q1A some new thing?
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It’s not really something that bubble teams need to think about, but it’s basically a separator between “great wins” and “elite wins,” which matters more for when the committee is debating seed lines and whether a team should be a protected seed or a 5 or 6 seed.

Think of the difference between winning at Duke and winning at SMU or Florida State. All are Q1, but the Duke win is and should be looked at more favorably for a team that wants to be a protected seed.
 
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pittchagg said:
It’s not really something that bubble teams need to think about, but it’s basically a separator between “great wins” and “elite wins,” which matters more for when the committee is debating seed lines and whether a team should be a protected seed or a 5 or 6 seed.

Think of the difference between winning at Duke and winning at SMU or Florida State. All are Q1, but the Duke win is and should be looked at more favorably for a team that wants to be a protected seed.
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Pitt was one of the few bubble teams two years ago with a Q1A - NW. it may or may not have gotten them to Dayton. But it won’t matter this year unless for a top 4 seed line debate.
 
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whirlybird optio said:
Very few teams right now can say they are 3-1 against the top 50 and 5-1 against basically the top 100.

It also means Wednesday is really house money. It’s a game that can only help us even more, and we won’t get penalized for playing and losing.

Unless we lose multiple other non-conference games or go like 10-10 in the ACC we will be more than fine. 11 acc wins probably more than enough to keep us out of Dayton.
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I made a lot of assumptions when I said Pitt would be a bubble team if we went 2-1 vs Wis, OSU, Miss St. However, the assumptions I made dont look good right now and that's good for us.

- WVU - I thought they could be like 2-16 in the B12. They looked so bad and I still dont think they are good but as of today, they are very safely in the NCAAT.

- LSU - I was afraid they could be like a 4-14 team in the SEC and they still may be.

- I thought our NET would be decent as we've beaten the spread every game but not this good.

So right now, yes, it does feel we are safely in. I said 2-1 in this stretch is a lock so yea, if we win Wed, we are in. It would just take 11-9 in the ACC, maybe even 10-10 depending on how everything else shakes out.
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
I made a lot of assumptions when I said Pitt would be a bubble team if we went 2-1 vs Wis, OSU, Miss St. However, the assumptions I made dont look good right now and that's good for us.

- WVU - I thought they could be like 2-16 in the B12. They looked so bad and I still dont think they are good but as of today, they are very safely in the NCAAT.

- LSU - I was afraid they could be like a 4-14 team in the SEC and they still may be.

- I thought our NET would be decent as we've beaten the spread every game but not this good.

So right now, yes, it does feel we are safely in. I said 2-1 in this stretch is a lock so yea, if we win Wed, we are in. It would just take 11-9 in the ACC, maybe even 10-10 depending on how everything else shakes out.
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So long as we beat San Houston and Eastern KY, 11-9 will be good enough in the ACC. We’d probably have a top 25 NET rating
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
I made a lot of assumptions when I said Pitt would be a bubble team if we went 2-1 vs Wis, OSU, Miss St. However, the assumptions I made dont look good right now and that's good for us.

- WVU - I thought they could be like 2-16 in the B12. They looked so bad and I still dont think they are good but as of today, they are very safely in the NCAAT.

- LSU - I was afraid they could be like a 4-14 team in the SEC and they still may be.

- I thought our NET would be decent as we've beaten the spread every game but not this good.

So right now, yes, it does feel we are safely in. I said 2-1 in this stretch is a lock so yea, if we win Wed, we are in. It would just take 11-9 in the ACC, maybe even 10-10 depending on how everything else shakes out.
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You need to move on to the seed line versus bubble talk. Pitt will likely be in talks for a top 4 seed come March.
 
Did not expect us to debut that high but thrilled to see it. Long way to go but we are very well positioned. Keep up the great play and leave no doubt!
 
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MorningCoffee13 said:
So now we like NET rankings. lol.
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I had a laugh about it too. But fwiw we should have been in last year according to straight NET (not that the committee just ranks the teams that way.)

My only complaint is the efficency data encourages running up the score. I wish they'd discourage that somehow.
 
GaryMcgheeForThree said:
I hate how important scheduling is, but it has an insane impact on these early metrics.
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It isn't really scheduling, and you can see that by the rankings. Yeah, our schedule has been really tough and we are highly rated. But Kentucky is 8th and other than Duke they haven't played a good team yet, and they haven't played a road game yet. Florida is ranked sixth and they did play at Florida State, but they have no real tough games other than that one (assuming you count that one). Illinois is ranked 11th, and their toughest game so far might be at Georgia Tech, and Georgia Tech looks like they are going to be one of the bottom teams in the ACC.

Scheduling tough only gives you opportunities. You still have to perform well in those opportunities.
 
Our NET non-conference strength of schedule is currently #29, and that’s not counting a legit true road game, and two additional games with two teams in the mid-100’s that won’t really hurt us too much.

Last year, our NET non-conference strength of schedule was #343.
 
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Inserting MWC teams

Duke 4
Pitt 5

Utah St 14

Clemson 18
UNC 26
Lville 30

Nevada 32
Boise 38
San Diego St 60

SMU 64

New Mexico 66

FSU 67
Cal 78
Stanford 80
NCST 91
ND 97
Wake 115
Virginia 125
BC 150
GT 175
Cuse 177
Miami 191
VT 233

They will probably end up with 5, which is 45% of their league. I think the ACC only gets 5, which is 28%. The Power 3 will get 30. They have 29 teams in the Top 50[/QUOTE]
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Inserting MWC teams

Duke 4
Pitt 5

Utah St 14

Clemson 18
UNC 26
Lville 30

Nevada 32
Boise 38
San Diego St 60

SMU 64

New Mexico 66

FSU 67
Cal 78
Stanford 80
NCST 91
ND 97
Wake 115
Virginia 125
BC 150
GT 175
Cuse 177
Miami 191
VT 233

They will probably end up with 5, which is 45% of their league. I think the ACC only gets 5, which is 28%. The Power 3 will get 30. They have 29 teams in the Top 50
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Nevada dropped 25 spots to 57 with a loss to Wash State last night, which moved up 18. It also bumped SMU up 5 spots to 59 given thry beat Wash State earlier in season. LSU and Arkansas swapped spots so Pitt now is down to 2 quad 1 wins. Expect large moves the next month. All the more important for the ACC/SEC challenge. Upsets can go a long way.
 
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obviously we all hope everything holds up with NET and it is what it is and will be what it will be and Pitt right now controls their destiny

discussed on another NET thread, what happened with the away WVU win last year ended up far worse than what the home WVU win should end up being this year

the Missou loss was bad but they had a good guard out after our game and somehow didn't have Tonje play during their season iirc at all otherwise that home loss which ended up epically horrible could have been far less damaging by them never winning a B12 game

scheduling is an art and luck in a significant way as much as hard data and science(which changes too :) )
 
Sean Miller Fan said:
Inserting MWC teams

Duke 4
Pitt 5

Utah St 14

Clemson 18
UNC 26
Lville 30

Nevada 32
Boise 38
San Diego St 60

SMU 64

New Mexico 66

FSU 67
Cal 78
Stanford 80
NCST 91
ND 97
Wake 115
Virginia 125
BC 150
GT 175
Cuse 177
Miami 191
VT 233

They will probably end up with 5, which is 45% of their league. I think the ACC only gets 5, which is 28%. The Power 3 will get 30. They have 29 teams in the Top 50
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"Power 3"...uh huh, so last year the national champ was UConn, three Big East teams made the Sweet 16, the ACC went 12-5 in March compared to 8-8 for the SEC, and NC State made the final four. Trolling comment and here I am replying to it
 

"Power 3"...uh huh, so last year the national champ was UConn, three Big East teams made the Sweet 16, the ACC went 12-5 in March compared to 8-8 for the SEC, and NC State made the final four. Trolling comment and here I am replying to it
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Basically, yes. The ACC isn't really a power basketball conference anymore. Its like a group of 18 independents. Duke & UNC will always be good. Then 2-4 of the 16 other independents will make it. The Power 3 will send greater than 50% to the NCAAT.
 

"Power 3"...uh huh, so last year the national champ was UConn, three Big East teams made the Sweet 16, the ACC went 12-5 in March compared to 8-8 for the SEC, and NC State made the final four. Trolling comment and here I am replying to it
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He's Raymond Babbitt without the talent or attractive family members...is proven wrong about the ACC every single March, yet will start it right back up again the following season.
 
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