New B10 deal 'staggering'
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ACC network is a cash flow network that has to get moving. To many eye balls for the ACC not to cash in. fox owns 50 of the BG1 network. Am at a loss with the Fox Pac 12 exclusive why pay for second rate games. Really who cares about NW vs Indiana. BigTen BB is not a power so seems a little over much for non OSU Michigan and other better programs.
The TV ratings disagree. Populations don't matter. It ratings and ad revenue the networks can get from those games. While you may not think B1G basketball are any good but you are fooling yourself. The B1G basketball ratings are often the best of any conference. The ACC and B1G are always the top 2. In football it is always second to only the SEC. if the ACC network was such a money maker it would be a done deal by now.
ACC was #1 in BB this year and #3 in FB.
As for the money maker thing, you also have to wait until contracts are up with the major cable providers, etc in order to bundle things. Timing is a huge piece of it.
There may or may not be an ACC network, but the whole "if it was a money maker (or insert anything) it would be done now" is a crock of shit.
Maybe their overall distribution. I think the FOX piece is going to be the big part. The article says ESPN, etc didn't even submit competitive bids. The BIG will probably take less money for the ESPN portion for exposure.
It is still a hell of a nice paycheck.
Different View:
Why the Big Ten's reported short new TV deal with Fox makes sense:
SBJ reported that Fox will pay as much as $250 million per year for the rights to approximately 25 football games and 50 basketball games. Signing only a six-year deal, “probably means [the Big Ten] didn't get the money they wanted,” one source said.
One industry insider told CBS Sports that Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany sought a long-term deal through 2032. There may not have been the money in the market for such a deal, or Delany may have strategically tried to line up the next deal close to when NFL deals expire with CBS, Fox and NBC after the 2022 season when, theoretically, more money could be available in the market.
Additional evidence that the Big Ten signed a shorter-term deal hoping to cash in sooner next decade: The reported deal would expire before the existing agreements of the four other Power Five conferences.
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ported-short-new-tv-deal-with-fox-makes-sense
Business Sports Journal
The deal runs six years and could cost Fox as much as $250M per year, depending on the amount of rights the Big Ten conference puts in its second package. The Fox deal essentially is half of the package of games that had been with ESPN (as part of a 10-year, $1B deal that expires next spring) and CBS (as part of a 6-year, $72M basketball-only deal that also expires next spring). The Big Ten will return to the market to solicit bids on the second half of the package. The conference has the flexibility to allow for another network or two to pick up that half. ESPN will be one of several TV networks engaged for the second half of the Big Ten’s package, along with the usual suspects of CBS, NBC and Turner. The second package also is expected to include around 25 football and 50 basketball games. The package also could include rights to the football championship games every other year, though sources caution that the rights in the second package are flexible and could include more – or less – games.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Closing-Bell/2016/04/19/Big-Ten.aspx
The deal runs six years and could cost Fox as much as $250M per year, depending on the amount of rights the Big Ten conference puts in its second package. The Fox deal essentially is half of the package of games that had been with ESPN (as part of a 10-year, $1B deal that expires next spring) and CBS (as part of a 6-year, $72M basketball-only deal that also expires next spring). The Big Ten will return to the market to solicit bids on the second half of the package. The conference has the flexibility to allow for another network or two to pick up that half. ESPN will be one of several TV networks engaged for the second half of the Big Ten’s package, along with the usual suspects of CBS, NBC and Turner. The second package also is expected to include around 25 football and 50 basketball games. The package also could include rights to the football championship games every other year, though sources caution that the rights in the second package are flexible and could include more – or less – games.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Closing-Bell/2016/04/19/Big-Ten.aspx
ACC network doesn't make much sense right now because of how the current TV works for ACC. Plus it paid to wait for deals like this to get done. Why rush when you can benchmark off of recent history. That's all.
B1G Network is a cash machine.
Isn't this summer the planned ESPN 'look-in' for ACC? There may finally be some movement.
cant wait for the annual updates on acc network from the yearly conference golf outing.. Nothing beats those annual updates of "Its progressing" with zero details or time frames..
ACC is waiting and always seems to be reactive as others proceed as the Big-12 can't move on 1ith 10 Teams, Pac-12 works through its set-up start up costs problems, but SEC and B1G move ahead. Swofford was able to save his Son's Job and his UNC's Alumnus Friends Bankrupt Second Rate Network that SEC abandon, and that has been his best accomplishment to date. ACC whose contracts go into 2030, and the ACC can wait, so be it!
But but but... ACC has the demographics. 
ACC was afraid and putzed around, and already missed the boat for starting a profitable network.
Pitt should have made every effort possible to get into the Big Ten. Too late now.
ACC was afraid and putzed around, and already missed the boat for starting a profitable network.
Pitt should have made every effort possible to get into the Big Ten. Too late now.
AS mentioned ACC was #1 in BB and #3 in FB. Big10 is #2 in both. In FB there is a pretty big difference in ratings between the B10#2 and the ACC at #3 of course there is a pretty big dfference between the ACC and b12. Problem is the ACC locked itself into a bad deal. At the time the deal was among the highest ever for a conference but future deals easily surpassed it. Hell it was rumored that the BE before breaking up turned down 13 million a year. So Espn was willing to pay the BE almost as much. ACC if going by viewers should be making more than everyone except SEC and B10. This deal is bad for Fox, they are way overpaying as the SEC delivers the best ratings and will be short of the B10.
I guess the fact that old people like to die in the warm isn't gonna help us get more money from ESPN/Disney..But but but... ACC has the demographics.
ACC was afraid and putzed around, and already missed the boat for starting a profitable network.
Pitt should have made every effort possible to get into the Big Ten. Too late now.
Right. If demographics mattered then the Steelers would be playing in Orlando.
and the big 10 members wouldn't be getting a sick TV deal. Guess there are tvs in Nebraska and Iowa, despite what I read on this board..
"HailtoPitt, post: 1248090, member: 56"]But but but... ACC has the demographics.
Yep!
ACC was afraid and putzed around, and already missed the boat for starting a profitable network.
Nope, Swofford saved his UNC Friend's Raycom Company where his Son works.....no putzing around a Conflict of Interests. ESPN was in total Partnership with the ACC, when Swofford told ESPN to sell Third Party Rights to Raycom that SEC dumped Raycom all together.
SEC then had to wait 2 years to Buyout its Third Party Rights to give them all with SEC-ESPN Partnership, and made money in the first year?
ACC now waits and Raycom doing just fine and dandy as ACC has no ACC-ESPN Network, ACC Presidents did nothing and allow it to happen and continue?
Pitt should have made every effort possible to get into the Big Ten. Too late now.
Now that comment is more foolish than what Swofford did, and you know it! As you know OSU President Gee said publicly Paterno did not want Pitt in B1G, and UMD and Rutgers was another Swofford ACC Expansion miscalculation.
Yep!
ACC was afraid and putzed around, and already missed the boat for starting a profitable network.
Nope, Swofford saved his UNC Friend's Raycom Company where his Son works.....no putzing around a Conflict of Interests. ESPN was in total Partnership with the ACC, when Swofford told ESPN to sell Third Party Rights to Raycom that SEC dumped Raycom all together.
SEC then had to wait 2 years to Buyout its Third Party Rights to give them all with SEC-ESPN Partnership, and made money in the first year?
ACC now waits and Raycom doing just fine and dandy as ACC has no ACC-ESPN Network, ACC Presidents did nothing and allow it to happen and continue?
Pitt should have made every effort possible to get into the Big Ten. Too late now.
Now that comment is more foolish than what Swofford did, and you know it! As you know OSU President Gee said publicly Paterno did not want Pitt in B1G, and UMD and Rutgers was another Swofford ACC Expansion miscalculation.
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Big Ten Delany ran rings around a young brash ESPN Executive that laughed Delany off, as Delany founded the B1G Network with Fox, and ESPN was happy ACC Swofford compromised the ACC by saving his Alumnus Friend's company and Sons jobs, as SEC told ESPN what it wanted and when it would be started. So, ACC still out in the cold with no Network.
There is a solution, SEC-ESPN Network is in Charlotte, create ACC-ESPN Network and share joint facilities, coverages, personnel (Hire Swofford Son), and payoff Raycom.
Schedule OOC with SEC Teams and make money together that way. The ACC adds in Demographics in Northeast, Midwest, and share the south right now in TV same states along with recruiting. No need to go it alone when both can do better together and save cost on not having to duplicate all Personnel just add some? Swofford can then retire and replace him too!
There is a solution, SEC-ESPN Network is in Charlotte, create ACC-ESPN Network and share joint facilities, coverages, personnel (Hire Swofford Son), and payoff Raycom.
Schedule OOC with SEC Teams and make money together that way. The ACC adds in Demographics in Northeast, Midwest, and share the south right now in TV same states along with recruiting. No need to go it alone when both can do better together and save cost on not having to duplicate all Personnel just add some? Swofford can then retire and replace him too!
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Taken from an article on the subject. Link below so I don't feel like im stealing info without giving credit.
LOSERS
The Big 12
If you were already predisposed to worry about the widening gap between the Big Ten/SEC and other Power 5 conferences, like say, the Big 12 is, then the Big Ten getting another, perhaps larger than expected, stack of cash isn't great. But it isn't just about the Big Ten getting more money in a vacuum. Big Ten games getting moved to FS1 could directly hurt the Big 12.
Big 12 games are already on FS1, but the league apparently has a low number of guaranteed games on the platform. (a minimum of six games a year). So if that Texas Tech/Kansas State game was going to be slotted to FS1, there's a chance it's getting bumped to FS2 or FSN to make room for, I dunno, Michigan State/Illinois, even if that's going to be a worse game. The massive fanbases around Big Ten programs make those games attractive TV properties, so if you are a fan used having regular games on FS1, you may want to make sure you get the other Fox channels in your package.
Plus, if you were worried about Oklahoma maybe deciding that trying to keep this whole Big 12 thing together isn't worth it, well, seeing all these Big Ten dollar signs probably isn't helping.
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...eal-fox-espn-ohio-state-football-dollar-signs
LOSERS
The Big 12
If you were already predisposed to worry about the widening gap between the Big Ten/SEC and other Power 5 conferences, like say, the Big 12 is, then the Big Ten getting another, perhaps larger than expected, stack of cash isn't great. But it isn't just about the Big Ten getting more money in a vacuum. Big Ten games getting moved to FS1 could directly hurt the Big 12.
Big 12 games are already on FS1, but the league apparently has a low number of guaranteed games on the platform. (a minimum of six games a year). So if that Texas Tech/Kansas State game was going to be slotted to FS1, there's a chance it's getting bumped to FS2 or FSN to make room for, I dunno, Michigan State/Illinois, even if that's going to be a worse game. The massive fanbases around Big Ten programs make those games attractive TV properties, so if you are a fan used having regular games on FS1, you may want to make sure you get the other Fox channels in your package.
Plus, if you were worried about Oklahoma maybe deciding that trying to keep this whole Big 12 thing together isn't worth it, well, seeing all these Big Ten dollar signs probably isn't helping.
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...eal-fox-espn-ohio-state-football-dollar-signs
Yawn am I the only one who is bored to piss over discussing/arguing/chest beating over college sports tv contracts?!?...
All that cash makes it worth getting your asses kicked every year, doesn't it? The BIG is certainly a high profile operation. Ped State does very well sucking on one of it's hind teats.
Surely Pitt tried very hard but bitter , egomaniac Grandpa Munster ended that ...But but but... ACC has the demographics.
ACC was afraid and putzed around, and already missed the boat for starting a profitable network.
Pitt should have made every effort possible to get into the Big Ten. Too late now.
Don't like the B1G but the money and stability cannot be denied.
RU...in the B1G
Yikes!!!
Would imagine 80% of the B1G fans ( outside PA ) preferred Pitt ...but it is what it is
Delany really is a genius by selling "halves." Cant believe no one has done that yet. Very few networks can afford the ENTIRE package but by splitting it, NBC, Turner, and CBS can competer with ESPN to drive up the cost.
The ACC really needs to do something.....like adding Texas, Texas Tech, OK, OKST, UConn, and ND to get to 20.
ACC North
ND
BC
UConn
Pitt
Syr
ACC West
Lou
OU
OKST
Texas
TT
ACC Central
UVa
VT
UNC
NCSU
Duke
ACC South
Wake
Clem
GT
FSU
Miami
P12 can take KU, KSU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, and UNLV (if they get new stadium) to get to 18
ISU and WVU to American
The ACC really needs to do something.....like adding Texas, Texas Tech, OK, OKST, UConn, and ND to get to 20.
ACC North
ND
BC
UConn
Pitt
Syr
ACC West
Lou
OU
OKST
Texas
TT
ACC Central
UVa
VT
UNC
NCSU
Duke
ACC South
Wake
Clem
GT
FSU
Miami
P12 can take KU, KSU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, and UNLV (if they get new stadium) to get to 18
ISU and WVU to American
Well I guess the good news is the BIG EAST conference / network???? money would have be less today than today's ACC money.
I had heard that in the early 2000's like 2004 or 05 maybe that the BIG10 was interested in PITT but Dixon helped nix any move to the BIG because of BIG East basketball. The source was a big PITT donor who mentioned it as a group of people were discussing PITT football.
I have no further info on that just what the guy said.He was a quiet reliable facts based info guy when he talked so who knows!
I had heard that in the early 2000's like 2004 or 05 maybe that the BIG10 was interested in PITT but Dixon helped nix any move to the BIG because of BIG East basketball. The source was a big PITT donor who mentioned it as a group of people were discussing PITT football.
I have no further info on that just what the guy said.He was a quiet reliable facts based info guy when he talked so who knows!
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OK, so the ACC and B12 are at about $20 million per school. It is estimated that the SEC is at about $30-35 million because ESPN didnt release the details of the new contract.
And half the Big Ten contract is $17.8 million per school with another half plus whatever BTN makes. That 2nd half could get higher or lower bids. ESPN will desperately want it but how much they pay depends on how much NBC, CBS, and Turner want to pay. So, lets say they get $15 million. $32 million in this market for non-BTN games is not outlandish. What separates the BT is the money BTN generates for crap games.
I just dont see how an ACCN wouldn't make SOME money. It wouldn't be as lucrative as SECN or ACCN but it would make SOME profit, so just do it.
And half the Big Ten contract is $17.8 million per school with another half plus whatever BTN makes. That 2nd half could get higher or lower bids. ESPN will desperately want it but how much they pay depends on how much NBC, CBS, and Turner want to pay. So, lets say they get $15 million. $32 million in this market for non-BTN games is not outlandish. What separates the BT is the money BTN generates for crap games.
I just dont see how an ACCN wouldn't make SOME money. It wouldn't be as lucrative as SECN or ACCN but it would make SOME profit, so just do it.
Like I said, the ACC missed the boat, whether it is because they putzed around or to protect Raycom, doesn't matter. The result is the same. Extremely stupid decision to wait and it will cost Pitt and others tens of millions.
Nope a full day later and I've got no shits to give...the only staggering thing to me is the staggering level of boredom on this topic...
for some reason, Oklahoma seems to always be listed as the program that can start the next wave of dominoes.. Basically, if any of this internet speculation is accurate, the sooners are holding the big 12 together and if they leave, all hell breaks lose..
Regarding acc, I just hope fsu and Clemson stay, either of those programs leave and we are the Big east again.. no one else is that big of a deal. Ga tech bringing the Atlanta market is about as funny as saying that Rutgers brings nyc market..
No, that'll wait 6 years. There is some thought that the BT is only doing a 6 year deal so it can coincide with the B12 and ACC deals, so they can pluck teams like FSU, Clem, TX, OU, etc at that time and become the best league ON THE FIELD.
May really and truly be a Power 2 plus the P12 which is geographically protected.
The ACC has to be very proactive about getting Texas and OU to sign up, selling them on the advantages of its East Coast exposure, POTENTIAL money that comes with it. Also, they can sell not killing themselves every week in the SEC. They can still be the big dogs in the ACC.
I wouldn't put it past the big 10.. THat Delaney is an earth mover, dude isn't scared to think big..
Yep guy is a magician. Despite a so so product he has his league making more than anyone else. Agree with previous poster if I am the ACC I am talking to TX and OK and seeing what I can do. Hell I would be fine with giving TX the same deal ND got. It would stabilize the ACC by killing of the b12 and make many more millions.
Sales pitch to TX, OU, ND:
- For ND, you get to play conference games in Texas, the southeast, mid-atlantic, and New England/NY. ACC takes care of your need to nationally schedule
- For ND, eventually you have to choose a side, why be stuck in a midwestern league with declining population
- For TX and OU, you can bring TT and OKST with you. So, you are just trading TCU, Baylor, Kan, KSU, ISU, and WVU for FSU, Miami, Clem, UN, etc. That's trading up. Still have TX presence but can grow national brands.
- For TX and OU, ACC offers better demographics than B10 and is easier than SEC but still competitive enough.
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